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View attachment 721405 View attachment 721406 Wrong. When Apple relentlessly pesters you DAILY to update iOS, that is NOT "choosing" to update. Choice by the force of a gun is not choice.
You still don't have to update. You can also delete the downloaded update so that it doesn't prompt you to update. You can also install a tvOS profile that would prevent updates from being downloaded or even shown.
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Loosing support for old apps what don't work with iOS 11 is one of the things it will stop me from updating.

I don't understand why Apple don't let people use old apps in iOS11. If they make your iPhone or iPad slow that is your issue and then you will know if you can't use them. But blocking old apps is not a great thing to do.
iOS 11 doesn't have the 32-bit framework and libraries needed to run 32-bit applications.
 
I wonder if this includes managed phones. I know we're not allowing iOS11 on our devices. That's roughly 500 iOS devices.
 
This is exactly why I will never update my phone after I buy it. Thieves are always trying to hack into the latest devices, and will forget about the old OS's.
 
This is exactly why I will never update my phone after I buy it. Thieves are always trying to hack into the latest devices, and will forget about the old OS's.
Except that usually over time there are actual known exploits that are patched in newer OS versions while they are still there and can be exploited in the older ones.
 
Can I say how much I hate the new animation that, when double-clicking to view open apps, "diminishes the current window before bringing up the list of open apps"? Why was that necessary? Am I the only one that now double-double clicks because I think the first one was registered as a single-click? Why on earth would an animation that DELAYS the requested action be considered a good thing?

What device are you using? I'm not seeing that behavior on my iPhone 7.
 
Except that usually over time there are actual known exploits that are patched in newer OS versions while they are still there and can be exploited in the older ones.

But there are still less theives attempting to use the exploits.
 
Nope! My iPhone 6 is going to stay at the current 10.3.3 software Until I upgrade to the iPhone SE.X ? In 2018
 
What I don't understand is why people with seemingly the same hardware get different results--

Isn't a 6s, a 6s for me for you for everybody? So why do updates speed up some, and slow down others?

Individual third party app conflicts?
 
This has only been the case with new iPhones since iOS 7 up to now. Before that when I bought my iPhone 4 and iPhone 5 they were both smooth as silk right out of the box. iOS 11 may get smoothed out but will never be as smooth as my experiences with those two phones.

Yepr... Ever since Forstall left speed/stability has been gone. Apps that used to feel light and airy, now feel heavy, and you get a sense that they can crash at any moment. I, as I think most people on this forum gave Apple the benefit of the doubt with iOS 7, as it was a complete overhaul in a very short period of time. I no longer give them this credit. I do now believe in the theory of 'Planned Obsolescence'.

Think about it...

iPhones stats in performance/storage space, are now rivaling base model Macs. Macs seems to have (at least in my experience) long upgradable (in terms of OS upgrades) lives. My Late rMBP on High Sierra still feels as fast as when I got it on Mavericks ( thats 4 OS upgrades!) Why doesn't my iPhone 6S, feel the same with only 2 OS upgrades?

This is because Apple number 1 profit is...... iPhones.

My iPhone 6S on iOS 10 was perfect, I didn't need to upgrade to the iPhone 8/X.
So they release a purposefully unoptimized OS (iOS 11) so the majority of the population (who of which aren't technological advanced) are therefore inclined to buy another 700 - 1000 dollar phone.


I mean cmon people on this forum, you need to wake up, and stop being Apple apologists.
 
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iOS 11 has made my perfectly good iPhone 6 plus unusable. The apps are very slow, navigation lacks, camera takes 4-5 seconds to start, etc.

Anybody else experiencing this?
 
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There is just no point comparing Android updates and iOS updates. Google has decoupled large parts of the OS through the play store which is why Android will not need OS updates for certain things while iOS will.
I've been rocking Oreo for many weeks now. Haven't had any issues and the system and security updates have become as smooth if not smoother then iOS now. I get an automatic notification to download when there is an update and asks if I want to use cellular data or not. Then it eventually prompts me to reboot to install and then reboots and its done. I think the problem is that this type of updating is not widespread among Android manufacturers, but at least for Google-released phones updating is pretty seamless.

is android serious with their OS names
It has to do with their engineering roots and being tech-nerdy. Personally I like that they have stuck with it. It's far to tempting to let some executive step in and say "No, that's silly. We need to have professional names only". To me a lot of the old Google has been slowly dying off. I think if they had to start a new project now under Alphabet, it would be nothing but B-school grads producing ROI spreadsheets and marketing charts instead of gigantic food-based green robots.
 
But there are still less theives attempting to use the exploits.
Compared to latest version that has known exploits? There might be more people trying to find exploits in the latest version, but with the previous versions the exploits are already known and can be actually used. So more people looking for something that doesn't yet exist vs. less people using actually something that is there...seems like even with less people it's still something that's more worrisome than more people only looking for something (vs. having already found it and using it).
 
I am not updating due to 32-bit apps and because I use Control Center daily to turn off wifi and Bluetooth when I get to work, where it's required. I am not updating iTunes either.

I shouldn't have to go into settings, reduce usability and/or deal with a lying OS because "Apple knows best".
 
iOS 11 is definitely the most marmite [love it or hate it] version to date - losing 32 big apps, illogical control centre toggles, no app names in the dock, little of note for iPhone vs expanded iPad multitasking capabilities and files app, security updates, slightly refined (or at least different) design.

Think people in general might have heard it stops some apps working without fully understanding what apps/ how to check, so are just ignoring the update?
 
I've been rocking Oreo for many weeks now. Haven't had any issues and the system and security updates have become as smooth if not smoother then iOS now. I get an automatic notification to download when there is an update and asks if I want to use cellular data or not. Then it eventually prompts me to reboot to install and then reboots and its done. I think the problem is that this type of updating is not widespread among Android manufacturers, but at least for Google-released phones updating is pretty seamless.


It has to do with their engineering roots and being tech-nerdy. Personally I like that they have stuck with it. It's far to tempting to let some executive step in and say "No, that's silly. We need to have professional names only". To me a lot of the old Google has been slowly dying off. I think if they had to start a new project now under Alphabet, it would be nothing but B-school grads producing ROI spreadsheets and marketing charts instead of gigantic food-based green robots.
hanzel.jpeg Looks like Hanzel and Gretel created the os.
 
> iOS 11 is installed on 25.28%...

Lies! It's 25.279999% of devices! I rolled back to iOS 10.3.3, so they shouldn't count me in!
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My iPhone 6 has been smooth as glass since I got it nearly three years ago. Install iOS 11, and stutter, stutter, stutter, freeze, delay, stutter. OMG, I'm so sad. My phone was still working perfectly, until yesterday. I should NOT have upgraded.
Roll back while you can.
http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-downgrade-ios-11-beta-to-ios-10.3.2-10.3.3-tutorial/
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What I don't understand is why people with seemingly the same hardware get different results--

Isn't a 6s, a 6s for me for you for everybody? So why do updates speed up some, and slow down others?

Individual third party app conflicts?
It's all about how sensitive people are to stutter. I tend to notice even the slightest deviation from smooth animation, so iOS 11 doesn't work that well for me (even though objectively it's fairly smooth). But there are plenty of people who don't notice the stutter or aren't bothered by it. Unfortunately, Apple doesn't optimize such minor issues until months later after the release, and even then they always do it silently to avoid negative attention. And, obviously, stutter on older devices never gets fixed for both technical and marketing reasons.
 
I am not updating due to 32-bit apps and because I use Control Center daily to turn off wifi and Bluetooth when I get to work, where it's required. I am not updating iTunes either.

I shouldn't have to go into settings, reduce usability and/or deal with a lying OS because "Apple knows best".
"lying OS"?
 
Unless you bind with telco, mostly nobody want buy it cash.Topup a little bit may same price as macbook./imac. Even cheaper then mac mini price instead we call a phone..

Just a phone , which most people will used the same app over and over again..
 
Unless you bind with telco, mostly nobody want buy it cash.Topup a little bit may same price as macbook./imac. Even cheaper then mac mini price instead we call a phone..

Just a phone , which most people will used the same app over and over again..
Seems my earlier reply still applies.
 
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