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You are running four year old device... in what world is a four year old computer supposed to still be blazing fast?It’s not a desktop with unlimited power from the wall... there are even more limitations due to it being mobile.

The developers of apps have moved on and are targeting the new hardware... the only way you could expect a four year old device to stay fast is if the developers of apps never targeted their features for the new hardware.

Why should the people that upgrade be held back by the people that don’t want to upgrade? Your phone runs... just not fast. You might as well complain your old car gets bad gas mileage compared to new ones while you are at it. The problem you are stating is because of your choice... I don’t complain when old stuff acts like old stuff... I replace it... pretty simple concept... especially in computer world where the hardware is constantly improving.

The iPhone X has 70% improvement in multitasking over 7... you are using not a 7, or a 6S, but a 6... and are complaining the software released in 2018 that is made to take advantage of these huge leaps is slow on your 2014 device... really lol?

I don't expect iOS 11 to run well on it. You're making up a strawman and attacking it, acting like you're making a point.

What I do expect is to be able to keep running the version of iOS that does run well on it. I want to run iOS 9 on my iPhone 6, because Apple has decided that it's better for me to have a phone that runs at a snail's pace and there's absolutely nothing that I can do about it. BTW, iOS 10 was released in 2016, 11 in 2017.

Having said that, there's no reason that basic functions like typing letters becomes slow and laggy. The 6 is still like 10 times more powerful than a 4S, 20 times a 3GS, etc... yet those devices could enter letters without delay. How bogged down has iOS become that playing a song or typing a message is a slower experience than it was years ago. Even people with iPhone 7 and 6S are having slowdowns with iOS 11 (though in many cases it could be from that pesky CPU throttling they secretly introduced).

How high a horse you must have to laugh at people who either can't or would rather not replace a phone with a nearly identical one every 2-3 years just because a permanent and often forced update turned their perfectly good device into a relic.
 
You are running four year old device... in what world is a four year old computer supposed to still be blazing fast?It’s not a desktop with unlimited power from the wall... there are even more limitations due to it being mobile.

The developers of apps have moved on and are targeting the new hardware... the only way you could expect a four year old device to stay fast is if the developers of apps never targeted their features for the new hardware.

Why should the people that upgrade be held back by the people that don’t want to upgrade? Your phone runs... just not fast. You might as well complain your old car gets bad gas mileage compared to new ones while you are at it. The problem you are stating is because of your choice... I don’t complain when old stuff acts like old stuff... I replace it... pretty simple concept... especially in computer world where the hardware is constantly improving.

The iPhone X has 70% improvement in multitasking over 7... you are using not a 7, or a 6S, but a 6... and are complaining the software released in 2018 that is made to take advantage of these huge leaps is slow on your 2014 device... really lol?
My Nexus 5 from 2013 on Android Marshmallow which is an older Android version runs much faster and lasts longer than the iPhone 6 on the supposed latest iOS 11 after a battery replacement. I like using the Nexus 5. I hate my iPhone 6. So how is is fragmentation worse for older phones?
 
I only update iPhone etc due to security patches. Otherwise nothing really new worth downloading
At least that is a very good reason and a reason to stay away from Android where manufacturers leave you standing in the rain with insecure devices unless you buy a new phone every two years.
 
I'm running 11.3 on both my iOS devices and update apps when they show up in the App Store. No problems. OTOH, my wife refuses to budge from 10.3.1 on her Air 2 and complains of problems with her games and facebook. Go figure.
 
I wish Apple would stand down and let me click a once and for all button.. not upgrading my current devices to iOS11. I'm way beyond sick of them insisting.

While companies follow Apple, that should not mean "Microsoft anony's their users, so Apple will do the same"

What abut thinking for themselves?

I'm still on 10.3.3, and stick phone in Airplane mode every time i charge, even despite updates don't download over cellular. I just don't trust Apple when i hook up a charging cable now.

Any calls come in while charging.. Tough.. If its important, they'll call back.
 
I'm running 11.3 on both my iOS devices and update apps when they show up in the App Store. No problems. OTOH, my wife refuses to budge from 10.3.1 on her Air 2 and complains of problems with her games and facebook. Go figure.
I have Air 2 and I don’t experience slow downs. She should update. iOS 10 had rotation bug which is now fixed in 11. So I don’t experience any bugs ether. Soon developers drop support for 10. For a while now apps tested mostly on 11.
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While companies follow Apple, that should not mean "Microsoft anony's their users, so Apple will do the same"

What abut thinking for themselves?

I'm still on 10.3.3, and stick phone in Airplane mode every time i charge, even despite updates don't download over cellular. I just don't trust Apple when i hook up a charging cable now.

Any calls come in while charging.. Tough.. If its important, they'll call back.

iOS device does a lot of hard work while charging, updating apps, processing and uploading photos. You making your life worse. Don’t understand you don’t want to update.
 
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I have Air 2 and I don’t experience slow downs. She should update. iOS 10 had rotation bug which is now fixed in 11. So I don’t experience any bugs ether. Soon developers drop support for 10. For a while now apps tested mostly on 11.

For Android, phone that has os many versions older than current, apps run as fast or as compatible and phone is not rendered unusable. This is one aspect that android run circles around iPhone.
 
I just value stability over features.
That’s I understand and I value stability too. However we not talking about 11.0 or even 11.2, it’s 11.3.1. New bugs has been fixed. Most of the third party apps tested on iOS 11 and 10, so by updating all your apps should become more stable.
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For Android, phone that has os many versions older than current, apps run as fast or as compatible and phone is not rendered unusable. This is one aspect that android run circles around iPhone.

There’s people here who run iOS 9 and 10 and they say opposite. There’s more speed and less bugs on older iOS. I’m sure it’s not slower. Actually I think I was wrong, developers test on both 10 and 11. But I notice that iOS 11 fixes prioritised.
 
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Ah the mobile OS pie chart con.

Having old hardware be forced to run the latest OS isn't always a good idea. Personally I wish I never upgraded my iPhone 6 from iOS 9 to iOS 10. It's just slower. And I certainly wouldn't upgrade to iOS 11 to then lose access to 32bit apps.

From an Android point of view I have a Galaxy Tab A which runs Android 5.1 and works great. But also have an S9 on Oreo, version 8. Both work perfectly, but yes they have different version numbers.

Being forced to upgrade with alerts and delete update downloads on iOS is a terrible way to force someone to buy a new device or suffer from a slower device. Not only does it waste time and bandwidth, I am forced to lose out too.
 
If you are using iOS, why do you give a **** about the installation base of other mobile OS's?

Its just sad excuse to have a big wank.

You care about the competition because the better they are the better they are going to push the platform you use to become. Also, because this is a tech website (even though it's Apple focused) many users here are not exclusively using one platform.
 
As if there isn't Apple bashing here? And remember, it's an APPLE site.

4% of the devices having the newest OS on Android is the PERFECT stat for one of the biggest problems with Android. It's not bashing...it's true.

Bashing is saying Tim Cook sucks, the notch notch notch, and Apple is doomed.

Why does version number matter?
 
I'm starting to think that having old versions of an OS running is not a bad thing. Going to iOS 11, I see a huge decline in performance on my iPhone 6. I assume that it's pretty difficult to create an OS meant for new hardware but still able to support old hardware efficiently. JMO If i could go back to iOS 10 I would.

I also saw the biggest slowdown I can recall from an iOS upgrade when I went to iOS 11 on my iPhone 6.

But just FYI - make sure you upgrade to 11.3. On my iPad Air 2, which also saw big slowdowns after going to iOS 11, after 11.3 came out, those slowdowns pretty much disappeared. Maybe you're already on 11.3, but if not, give it go, you might be surprised. (I'm on an iPhone X now, so I can't directly verify. But judging from how much my iPad sped up from 11.2 to 11.3, seems like they did a lot optimization.) Good luck.
 
I also saw the biggest slowdown I can recall from an iOS upgrade when I went to iOS 11 on my iPhone 6.

But just FYI - make sure you upgrade to 11.3. On my iPad Air 2, which also saw big slowdowns after going to iOS 11, after 11.3 came out, those slowdowns pretty much disappeared. Maybe you're already on 11.3, but if not, give it go, you might be surprised. (I'm on an iPhone X now, so I can't directly verify. But judging from how much my iPad sped up from 11.2 to 11.3, seems like they did a lot optimization.) Good luck.
iOS11.3 is much better. iOS11 initially was abysmal!
 
With iOS the security patches and updates mean security, (though I'll admit Apple themselves seem to be incompetent recently too).

With Android, it's a leaky sieve where security is pointless and ineffective against attacks and data fishing. Much like windows, android is only safe because of the sheer numbers of users. When people get viruses or slowdowns they blame their phone or themselves for using it. I love Android but this spiders web of old software that NEVER gets updated to the latest version scares me. It's only a matter of time before a 0day hack does something crazy.
 
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Not really. The acccount security wasn’t bypassed, it was guessed. Quite the difference. But great try anyway.

As far as greybox. Android doesn’t even need special hardware.
Android would need a Greybox as well if we are talking Pixel phones.
 
If you are using iOS, why do you give a **** about the installation base of other mobile OS's?

Its just sad excuse to have a big wank.
Most people use both, most people on here float between the two. There are very few who don't also frequent android forums and care about the competition and progress. Knowledge is knowledge, no matter how you bash people with opinions at least they WANT to know! I find you comment ignorant.
 
The fact that you are at the mercy of individual phone makers if and when they choose to roll out updates for Android is the main (probably only obstacle) for me moving away from iOS.

If I were to buy an Android it would have to be a Google branded phone.
Yet, even then you're stuck with a measly 3 years (max I think) upgrade path…

So, yeah, Apple has my loyalty. For now.


3 years of major OS updates plus 1 more year of security updates.
Taking in considerations how far ahead Android is in terms of features/flexibility in comparison to iOS I don't understand how 3 years of OS updates can sound bad.

Anyway for me as a tech enthusiast iOS feels so inflexible and locked that I mostly use my work phone(iphone 6) for phone calls although I'm free to use it in any way I want.
 
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I used to think this was a good thing, and was one of those that laughed at how many versions of Android were out there, and how old they were.

Now as someone still on iOS 10, I understand why Apple has this level of adoption as they make it very difficult for people to stay on the version of iOS they want if it's not the one Apple want everyone using. I must get reminders every week or so trying to get me to upgrade and there isn't an easy way to stop this.

If Apple were so confident in their latest and greatest software, they should allow people to choose for themselves which is the best version for them and not nag people to upgrade and allow people to downgrade if they choose. I bet the pie chart would look very different if they did :rolleyes:
 
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With 13 releases of iOS 11. It's kind of hard not to be on it, since your Apple device gets cranky and asks you to upgrade non-stop. Unless your device does not support it.

Plus there is WatchOS 11.3, or HomePod which requires iOS 11. So the more deeper you are in the ecosystem, you can't avoid it.
What does the number of iOS 11 versions have to do with this? If you don't install iOS 11, ie, stay at 10.3.3, the pestering is 'non-stop' regardless of how many versions of iOS 11 get released.
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Now as someone still on iOS 10, I understand why Apple has this level of adoption as they make it very difficult for people to stay on the version of iOS they want if it's not the one Apple want everyone using.
You know full well that this only part of the story. Most Android users don't have a choice at all whether to be on the latest OS or not because there is no way for them to install it (without some serious hacking).
 
Reason why Android phones can be so cheap is lack of software R&D and support.

Not from my experience.
My Mi A1 gets monthly security patches and it's in line to get Android P.
I payed 190$ for it and it's a great phone, 64GB + 4GB RAM + 5.5" 1080p Screen for that price is a bargain.
Not to mention that after I installed Gcam, it takes splendid pictures.
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Most of value and usage comes from third party apps. If OS out of date developers forced to use older API which is bad on many levels. Even though Google can update system apps they can’t take advantage of system level features and improvements. Also it’s a sign of weak security. Each iOS app is protected by system integrity check whcib does t allow change unless it’s ne who’s update with new certificate.
There aren't generally many system level features and improvements to take advantage of so I don't understand why you try to make such a big deal out of it. The performance and stability of an app can be improved without needing a new API and the same thing is true when adding new features.

Google can add features and improve apps without needing to do an entire OTA OS update. That's quite and advantage.
 
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What does the number of iOS 11 versions have to do with this? If you don't install iOS 11, ie, stay at 10.3.3, the pestering is 'non-stop' regardless of how many versions of iOS 11 get released.
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You know full well that this only part of the story. Most Android users don't have a choice at all whether to be on the latest OS or not because there is no way for them to install it (without some serious hacking).

The fact that most Android users don’t have a choice is where the problem with Android lies! At least with an iPhone Apple let’s users know when it’s discontinuing support for a certain iPhone model. However on Android you can buy a brand new phone just to see it get the occasional update and never be updated to newer Android versions. The lack of work by the phone makers and the unwillingness from networks to approve new updates for devices leaves most Android users vulnerable to old exploits!
 
At this point Android would have to make a lot of improvements to stability for me to switch back. I don’t miss the free for all of apps running in background and every developer thinking they need a constantly running background process for their app.

Android does improve constantly but your scenarios isn't only unrealistic it's totally absurd and a waste of space and time.
It's reminds me of a guy that claimed iOS is the best because he installs over 80 games on his phones. But that's all he does, there is no logic or practical reason for installing so many games.

I for example constantly uninstall apps that I don't use often enough to find them relevant or needed so why keep them on my phone constantly wasting space?
 
I'm starting to think that OEM's not letting people upgrade android maybe intentional. Basically if you want the latest software you have to buy the latest phone.
 
Not from my experience.
My Mi A1 gets monthly security patches and it's in line to get Android P.
I payed 190$ for it and it's a great phone, 64GB + 4GB RAM + 5.5" 1080p Screen for that price is a bargain.
Not to mention that after I installed Gcam, it takes splendid pictures.
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There aren't generally many system level features and improvements to take advantage of so I don't understand why you try to make such a big deal out of it. The performance and stability of an app can be improved without needing a new API and the same thing is true when adding new features.

Google can add features and improve apps without needing to do an entire OTA OS update. That's quite and advantage.
I think that guy is misinformed about batteries, Android, and everything surrounding the topic.

Anyways, that is the beauty of Android. It doesn't need an OS update to be way more flexible than every iphone. There are so many options of hardware to choose from. You will have true multitasking, many apps to choose from, a real file system, etc. I get why a certain crowd of people use iphones, and I understand why the majority of people use Android devices. I just wish that some people would actually use a device, before regurgitating stuff they heard from other clueless people.
 
3 years of major OS updates plus 1 more year of security updates.
Taking in considerations how far ahead Android is in terms of features/flexibility in comparison to iOS I don't understand how 3 years of OS updates can sound bad.

Wrong: 2 years of OS updates and 3 of security (concurrent). e.g. The Nexus 6P was released September 2015:the last OS update was September 2017, and the last security update is scheduled for November 2018. 3 years of support then nothing,munless you go the extra mile very few do and install a custom ROM.

Meanwhile updates are still being made available (albeit for probably the last time) for Apples 5s/5e models released TWO years earlier.
 
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