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I think this metric is totally meaningless. Like others have already stated, Apple persistently nags you to update until you do. If you have to restore your IOS device for any reason, you have to restore to the latest IOS version. They make it next to impossible to go back. So Apple bragging about something they are forcing you to do and then comparing their numbers to the competition (who doesn't force you) seems disingenuous to me. The larger question is, why does this even matter to us? Does this measurement somehow make Apple's products better because it has forced more user to the latest OS? This just makes me yawn.

How is it useless? Have you ever made an app? How is knowing what features your users can be expected to have useless? I can’t imagine a decide where the developers are blindly making apps not knowing what the users will be able to do with them. It’s good to know on iOS if make an app almost everyone using it will be on similar footing... vs Android that gets more fragmented every year. People say the metric is useless and then ask why many apps are iPhone first... it’s because of metrics like this. It’s useless to you... not useless to everyone. If you want your phone to continue working stuff like this is important.... not a hard concept to grasp.
 
It’s not really that absurd. If you want access to stuff that may get removed from store easiest way is to keep them installed.
LoL you just made it sound absurd although you try to claim it's not.
On Android if an app is removed from the store I install the last apk version of it from a reliable source(or I can create my own apk's for apps I'm afraid will be removed from the store if I want to). But to be honest I never encountered such a situation. I don't know why anybody would uses very old apps that don't get any more support. Wasn't security important for you ios users?

It’s a test to see how many can be kept installed while maintaining stability.

Quite a pointless and absurd test.
 
LoL you just made it sound absurd although you try to claim it's not.
On Android if an app is removed from the store I install the last apk version of it from a reliable source(or I can create my own apk's for app I'm afraid would be removed from the store). But to be honest I never encountered such a situation. I don't know why anybody would uses very old apps that don't get any more support. Wasn't security important for you ios users?



Quite a pointless and absurd test.

It’s not a pointless test. Do you think manufacturers don’t stress, load, and performance test their devices?

Clearly you are clueless if you think finding out what devices can handle the most is some useless statistic. As I said before which you ignored... people install a bunch of stuff and never remove it. Not everyone knows what an APK is. I have all my APKs from Android even after I left but you can’t expect average person to know what one is let alone back them up individually off the device.

If you ever worked in tech support, you’d realize people download tons of crap all the time to everything. Testing what device is least disturbed by that is completely necessary and valid test. Just because YOU don’t do it doesn’t mean there is no logic to it or it doesn’t happen.

As I said stop talking like how you use your device is the only way they are going to be used... everyone isn’t like you clearly. It’s good to know I can recommend iPhone to friends and family that aren’t tech savvy and they can click almost every download button they see without messing up the device.

Be thankful you haven’t had to get calls from people wanting you to fix their Android constantly cause clicking download on everything bogged it down constantly.
 
I think this metric is totally meaningless. Like others have already stated, Apple persistently nags you to update until you do. If you have to restore your IOS device for any reason, you have to restore to the latest IOS version. They make it next to impossible to go back. So Apple bragging about something they are forcing you to do and then comparing their numbers to the competition (who doesn't force you) seems disingenuous to me. The larger question is, why does this even matter to us? Does this measurement somehow make Apple's products better because it has forced more user to the latest OS? This just makes me yawn.
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-android-devices.2116443/page-7#post-26011422
 
For a second, I swore you were listing what you can do with Android.

- Dynamic Type for global control of font size - Android has this...
- Smart inversion of colors when images preserve original colors and the rest becomes black - Android has this too
- Layout improvements with Stack views - ...
- Rich notifications with content and actions ... this is old news for Android, been there done that. Superior Notifications since forever.
- Widgets - ... really? seriously? lol?
- Phone extension which allows other apps like Skype and WhatsApp or call blockers to integrate with system calling feature - Loooong time feature for Android. Pretty much all apps can integrate with each other, like sharing a picture through Discord, from my Google Drive for instance.
- overall making app sizes smaller - Android Delta updates, since 2012 or earlier.
- new video player UI (Android doesn’t even have system wide player), AirPlay 2... - Ever heard of using your own media player? Mx Player, VLC, etc? You know, media players that can play video and audio files that Apple devices cannot play? Casting > Airplay....



No offense dude, but you seem to be very uninformed about Android in general. Maybe a little research on Android and batteries.
Dude I wasn’t telling why iOS better than Android there. I listed functionality which is shared across entire OS and can be added only with OS update.
 
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Dude I wasn’t telling why iOS better than Android there. I listed functionality which is shared across entire OS and can be added only with OS update.
Majority of that are the basic fundamentals of Android's OS since forever now. Android doesn't need updates to really add functionality, as they have had all the functionality for quite some time. This is why users are saying they don't care about updates. There are never stories about X.X update of Android being a downgrade, or loses functionality, bugs galore, throttling, etc. Maybe this is why Apple fans get so excited about updates. Because Apple is now fixing what they previously broke. And adding in features that should have been implemented years ago.
 
There is an option to not install the update (and the ability remove the downloaded update as well).
This is how it goes. Once the update auto downloads and the prompt pops up on the screen you only have 2 options viz. install or schedule the update. So it will auto install the update unless you manually delete it in which case it will auto download again after a few days. Rinse and repeat.
 
I think this metric is totally meaningless. Like others have already stated, Apple persistently nags you to update until you do. If you have to restore your IOS device for any reason, you have to restore to the latest IOS version. They make it next to impossible to go back. So Apple bragging about something they are forcing you to do and then comparing their numbers to the competition (who doesn't force you) seems disingenuous to me. The larger question is, why does this even matter to us? Does this measurement somehow make Apple's products better because it has forced more user to the latest OS? This just makes me yawn.
If doesn’t really matter if Apple nags you or not, the vast majority of android devices don’t get the update made available to them for months after it’s officially released. Every eligible iOS device has the chance to update the software as soon as it’s released.

Even nexus devices don’t all get the latest releases at the same time. It’s rolled out over a period of weeks.
 
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This is how it goes. Once the update auto downloads and the prompt pops up on the screen you only have 2 options viz. install or schedule the update. So it will auto install the update unless you manually delete it in which case it will auto download again after a few days. Rinse and repeat.
There is an option there not to install if you select later.
 
I don't know which is worse? Constantly pushing users to upgrade to versions they don't want and not allowing them to downgrade to older versions, or not providing regular updates at all.
In one case you do have a choice (of not upgrading), in the other case you have no choice (not being able to upgrade). And that is before the fact that 90% of the time, you'll actually be at least as happy with the new version of the OS (eg, because your apps keep getting updates which they eventually stop getting on older OS versions).
 
If doesn’t really matter if Apple nags you or not, the vast majority of android devices don’t get the update made available to them for months after it’s officially released. Every eligible device has the chance to update the software as soon as it’s released.

Even nexus devices don’t all get the latest releases at the same time. It’s rolled out over a period of weeks.

Ya that is part of reason I left Android. I expected Nexus to be able to pull OTA on day one like iOS can... would have to wait weeks if didn’t want to do it manually.

Before completely leaving Android I kept a Galaxy S7 as backup to my iPhone 6S for a while, but using Android as non primary was even more frustrating. If I didn’t turn the phone on for days, when it booted up all the notifications and missed messages would come in at once and the phone was unusable for almost five minutes straight.

Using the iPhone as backup, I could leave it off for weeks, turn it on, and start using it immediately. All the messages and notifications would come through but the phone would not grind to a halt.

Final straw was Samsung decision to only put 32GB of onboard storage. If I wanted to install large games could move them to SD car sometimes but mostly could only move apps.

If you moved the apps to the SD card, when they were updated by the Play Store it would prompt you to move them back to the internal first. And then you would manually have to move them one by one back to SD after every update!

If I had space on internal in first place would not have to move them to SD... there are quite a few little things about Android that just become so frustrating that I and all my close friends gave up after years of buying them.

Now we all have iPhones and couldn’t be happier. Android was so frustrating I paid the phone off early to be able to switch backup phone to an iPhone lol
 
If doesn’t really matter if Apple nags you or not, the vast majority of android devices don’t get the update made available to them for months after it’s officially released. Every eligible iOS device has the chance to update the software as soon as it’s released.

Even nexus devices don’t all get the latest releases at the same time. It’s rolled out over a period of weeks.
That also has an advantage in that if something breaks not all devices are affected. Windows also doesn't roll out updates even to all their public beta testers simultaneously.
 
It’s not a pointless test. Do you think manufacturers don’t stress, load, and performance test their devices?

It is quite pointless.

Clearly you are clueless if you think finding out what devices can handle the most is some useless statistic.

You are simply spinning in cycles because you don't want to accept the simple reality that your "test" is pointless.
Devices handle how much they need to handle and how much it's relevant for them to handle.
Installing way way more apps that anybody would need or cloud use just for the sake of finding how many you can install is simply a wast of time and a useless metric.
 
In the context of which this story was posted ( Apple fan site ), it’s purely for what I suggested. Don’t kid yourself.


Most people use both, most people on here float between the two. There are very few who don't also frequent android forums and care about the competition and progress. Knowledge is knowledge, no matter how you bash people with opinions at least they WANT to know! I find you comment ignorant.
 
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The iOS 11 operating system is installed on 76 percent of devices as of April 22, according to statistics Apple shared today on its App Store support page for developers.

That's up 11 percentage points since January 18, when iOS 11 was installed on 65 percent of devices, and 24 percentage points since November 6, when iOS 11 was installed on 52 percent of devices.

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19 percent of devices continue to use iOS 10, while 5 percent of devices use earlier versions of iOS, such as iOS 9. Many of these devices are likely older and unable to be updated to the newest version of iOS.

iOS 11 adoption rates have been growing steadily, but adoption has been markedly slower than iOS 10. In February of 2017, for example, iOS 10 was installed on nearly 80 percent of active devices.

iOS 11 has been plagued by high-profile bugs and issues like the HomeKit bug, the Spectre and Meltdown vulnerabilities, and most notably, the iPhone slowdown controversy that saw Apple throttling the performance of older iPhones. Though not directly related to iOS 11, it's likely people shied away from updating after reading about the issue.

The 11 percent uptick in iOS 11 adoption from January to April can be attributed to the launch of iOS 11.2 in December and iOS 11.3 in March, both of which were major updates introducing key new features.

iOS 11.2 brought Apple Pay Cash and faster 7.5W wireless charging for Apple's newest devices, while iOS 11.3 included a new battery health tool, ARKit 1.5, a Health Records feature, and many other smaller changes.

iOS 11.4, which is in the works, is another update that could spur adoption, as it will introduce Messages on iCloud and AirPlay 2 if the features currently in testing make it into the release.

Customers may be wary of iOS 11, leading to somewhat slower adoption rates, but Apple's iOS 11 install base is beyond impressive compared to Google's adoption numbers for its latest operating system update.

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As of April 16, just 0.5 percent of Android devices are running the newest version of Android Oreo, and only 4.6 percent of devices total have Oreo installed. The majority of Android users continue to run Android Lollipop, Marshmallow, and Nougat, operating systems that came out in 2014, 2015, and 2016, respectively.

Article Link: iOS 11 Now Installed on 76% of iOS Devices, While Android 8 is Installed on 4.6% of Android Devices
[doublepost=1524759499][/doublepost]Apple make it very difficult NOT to upgrade.Badering you every day to update, no way to disable the annoyances - no way to prevent automatic download of the update in the background (turning of settings still results in a background download) etc.

I, for one, do NOT want to update to the newest every time.
 
Pointless article. Say it with me: Forced Migration. So 24% of Apple devices are too old to run iOS 11 or their users too recalcitrant to upgrade.
As for android, the manufacturer decides which device gets which version of Android...mostly. Users have no choice unless they want to void their warranty (ie. install custom ROM).
 
They don't. There are no real (in-the-wild) security threats. No iOS user was actually affected - other than in potential threats -by staying on an older iOS version. There were theoretical threats. That's not enough to convince me.
You should read up on why 9.3.5 was released. A real life threat to targeted users. At the time it was an unheard of exploit.
 
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The iOS 11 operating system is installed on 76 percent of devices as of April 22, according to statistics Apple shared today on its App Store support page for developers . . .

As of April 16, just 0.5 percent of Android devices are running the newest version of Android Oreo, and only 4.6 percent of devices total have Oreo installed. The majority of Android users continue to run Android Lollipop, Marshmallow, and Nougat, operating systems that came out in 2014, 2015, and 2016, respectively.

Article Link: iOS 11 Now Installed on 76% of iOS Devices, While Android 8 is Installed on 4.6% of Android Devices

This is exactly why even though I think some Android full screen phones are physically more attractive than iPhones, I will never make the move to Android unless Google takes full distribution responsibility for the OS (and away from the phone manufacturers).

Their model at the moment is inherently insecure.

Even then I'd find it a struggle to move, as I just don't trust a company that was founded to monetise your personal information.
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Stay on 10. dont do it.

I see posts on here like this all the time. As you're a longstanding member of the forum, I have a question for you, if I may?

You're advocating staying on iOS 10. For argument's sake, let's say you personally own an iPhone on iOS 10 and you are the victim of a hack using an exploit that was patched upon discovery by Apple.

Who would you blame for that situation? Yourself for not securing the device via a free available upgrade?
 
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This is exactly why even though I think some Android full screen phones are physically more attractive than iPhones, I will never make the move to Android unless Google takes full distribution responsibility for the OS (and away from the phone manufacturers).

Their model at the moment is inherently insecure.

Even then I'd find it a struggle to move, as I just don't trust a company that was founded to monetise your personal information.
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I see posts on here like this all the time. As you're a longstanding member of the forum, I have a question for you, if I may?

You're advocating staying on iOS 10. For argument's sake, let's say you personally own an iPhone on iOS 10 and you are the victim of a hack using an exploit that was patched upon discovery by Apple.

Who would you blame for that situation? Yourself for not securing the device via a free available upgrade?
Google can’t distribute the os to all android devices because of the skins. Each individual oem has to modify android to make it work with their own skin.
 
It is quite pointless.



You are simply spinning in cycles because you don't want to accept the simple reality that your "test" is pointless.
Devices handle how much they need to handle and how much it's relevant for them to handle.
Installing way way more apps that anybody would need or cloud use just for the sake of finding how many you can install is simply a wast of time and a useless metric.

It’s pointless to you... not me or many friends and family... or even the people who make Android. Once people take a look at my iPhone and how it Is setup many switch to iOS. Installing many apps and letting at least 150 of them send notifications daily without any trouble drives home point that iOS works very well these days.

If it was pointless then why are the last two versions of Android adding the features that iOS has that make my test pass with flying colors. Oreo is restricting background processes more and restricting what can be triggered based on action broadcasts cause it’s obvious to anyone that has tried testing a lot of apps on both that current system on Android isn’t working very well.

The action broadcasts such as just connecting to WiFi on Android can trigger mayhem when many apps are installed. They all get the signal at same time and then fire up certain tasks in background causing the device to bog down. Google admits this and is fixing it.

Or action broadcast on startup and data connection causes many apps to wake from sleep on phone at same time causing the phone to bog down. It doesn’t happen on the iPhone because it’s already fixed on iPhone ... the only way to see stuff like that has been fixed is to test it.

Otherwise people are going to think they are similar when the way they handle background processes and multitasking is fundamentally different.
 
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Google can’t distribute the os to all android devices because of the skins. Each individual oem has to modify android to make it work with their own skin.

They don't "have to", there are plenty of other ways for them to differentiate through the devices themselves and their own apps, but not preloaded, distributed via the Play Store.
 
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