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Counter argument is iOS is the only mobile OS to have leaked people's private nude pictures all over the internet while protecting terrorists and pedophiles.

Do you want to provide some evidence for that completely outlandish claim of yours?
 
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Do you want to provide some evidence for that completely outlandish claim of yours?

I believe they are talking about the iCloud breach that happened a few years ago, nothing to do with phones. If I remember correctly, people were socially engineered (tricked) into giving out their passwords or Apple was tricked into resetting them can't remember all the details. The other part of that statement, well, I'm glad Apple takes privacy seriously...
 
Seems like an Apples and Oranges argument; the thesis of which is "this orange sucks as an apple". In other news, air, we breathe it.
 
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Lol. Android OS is just too dispersed, with all the device varieties.

And yet, most Android users don't care. Android 6 or 7 or 8 and they all still happily use their devices and could care less (or even know better) that they aren't on Android 8.

Recent history is proving that having the latest macOS or iOS isn't necessarily a good thing.
 
As if we were to believe every iPad and iPhone user owns the very latest Hardware. It would seem by the title of this article that most users of Apple devices own the latest iterations of both the iPad and iPhone.

Meanwhile in the real world however there are many individuals that continue to use devices such as the iPad 2, iPad Mini and iPhone 4s on a daily basis all of which represent the pinnacle of their individual formats and since that time there has been little in the way of innovation. All of which being sacrificed by Apple's obsession of how thin they can produce a device at the cost of higher quality. Compare the superior build quality of the iPhone 4s to the iPhone 6 the results are startling.
 
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I believe they are talking about the iCloud breach that happened a few years ago, nothing to do with phones. If I remember correctly, people were socially engineered (tricked) into giving out their passwords or Apple was tricked into resetting them can't remember all the details. The other part of that statement, well, I'm glad Apple takes privacy seriously...
Thanks for the reply. I figured that’s what he was talking about but thought he needed to be called out for the patently false statement. Cheers!
 
Counter argument is iOS is the only mobile OS to have leaked people's private nude pictures all over the internet while protecting terrorists and pedophiles.
iOS didn't leak it. People lost their passwords.
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Seriously in today's landscape of privacy and security issues, why the hell would anyone want to use an Android device??
I agree, it's a terrible idea. Wouldn't go near one.
 
I chuckle every time I see one of these because they mean very little as positioned.
The questions should be:
  • The percentage of iOS devices on iOS 11 where iOS 11 is an available option
  • The percentage of Android devices on Android 8 where Android 8 is an available option
  • The percentage of all iOS devices on iOS 11
  • The percentage of all Android devices on Android 8
The headline as it reads is another in a long string of Apples vs. Produce Tray.
Never forget that Apple severely restricts the ability to go back to a previous version.
 
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I chuckle every time I see one of these because they mean very little as positioned.
The questions should be:
  • The percentage of iOS devices on iOS 11 where iOS 11 is an available option
  • The percentage of Android devices on Android 8 where Android 8 is an available option
  • The percentage of all iOS devices on iOS 11
  • The percentage of Android devices on Android 8
The headline as it reads is another in a long string of Apples vs. Produce Tray.
Never forget that Apple severely restricts the ability to go back to a previous version.
All that matters for developers, security experts, and investors is what version people are on. The other things only matter if it's some kind of contest.
 
Why not say, 24% of IOS users are running vulnerable code? Call the issue what it is, users aren’t patching like they should and they are vulnerable to issues Apple will never fix for their device either because they consider it EOL or they won’t backport the fix.

https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-49/product_id-15556/Apple-Iphone-Os.html

If you are running anything other than the latest IOS release, you're like someone running around without vaccinations. Not that Cisco is perfect bu their EOL policy is WAY more transparent.

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/eos-eol-policy.html

I just wish Apple was more transparent about this and that people knew that staying on an old release is not without its own security issues. Everyone gets to make their own call but it’s such a gray area.
 
And yet, most Android users don't care. Android 6 or 7 or 8 and they all still happily use their devices and could care less (or even know better) that they aren't on Android 8.

Recent history is proving that having the latest macOS or iOS isn't necessarily a good thing.
Users, no. Developers that want to actually see a return on their investment certainly will. What’s the point of implementing new OS features of the vast majority of the Android market can’t use them?

An ecosystem is far more than the end user.
 
All that matters for developers, security experts, and investors is what version people are on. The other things only matter if it's some kind of contest.

Yes and No. I see this as targeted toward the user audience. Not those you mentioned. Either way, the title and article is disingenuous.

Where I work you have to have Android 7.x or higher and iOS 11.2.6 or higher. Yes, this caused some angst. :eek: And some upgrades. ;)
 
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Why not say, 24% of IOS users are running vulnerable code? Call the issue what it is, users aren’t patching like they should and they are vulnerable to issues Apple will never fix for their device either because they consider it EOL or they won’t backport the fix.

https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-49/product_id-15556/Apple-Iphone-Os.html

If you are running anything other than the latest IOS release, you're like someone running around without vaccinations. Not that Cisco is perfect bu their EOL policy is WAY more transparent.

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/eos-eol-policy.html

I just wish Apple was more transparent about this and that people knew that staying on an old release is not without its own security issues. Everyone gets to make their own call but it’s such a gray area.
Yeah, it's not clear. They sometimes update older OSs if the bug is severe enough. Seems like they also provide all security updates for the past 3 macOS versions, judging by the downloads page, but they don't state this anywhere.
 
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Glad to be in the minority on my 6S. Sticking with 10 for the long haul...iOS 11 won't do it any favors. Could do without the giant f*cking prompts to update constantly. Apple - stop trying to upsell me and just let me live!
I'm right there with you. As much as I would like to update, I don't think the performance hit is worth the new features I may or may not use in iOS 11.
 
i forgot android uses candy names - ugh
dont care for them

You probably didn't like >3.5" display, OLED, precision pen input, etc. either until Apple adopted them but reality is names are easier to remember just like how people have names and numbers (SS#) associated to them but are referred to by name.

And, guess what? Apple have code names too but not as easy to remember.
  • 1.0: Alpine (1.0.0 - 1.0.2: Heavenly)
  • 1.1: Little Bear (1.1.1: Snowbird, 1.1.2: Oktoberfest)
  • 2.0: Big Bear
  • 2.1: Sugarbowl
  • 2.2: Timberline
  • 3.0: Kirkwood
  • 3.1: Northstar
  • 3.2: Wildcat (iPad only)
  • 4.0: Apex
  • 4.1: Baker
  • 4.2: Jasper (4.2.5 - 4.2.10: Phoenix)
  • 4.3: Durango
  • 5.0: Telluride
  • 5.1: Hoodoo
  • 6.0: Sundance
  • 6.1: Brighton
  • 7.0: Innsbruck
  • 7.1: Sochi
  • 8.0: Okemo
  • 8.1: OkemoTaos
  • 8.2: OkemoZurs
  • 8.3: Stowe
  • 8.4: Copper
  • 9.0: Monarch
  • 9.1: Boulder
  • 9.2: Castlerock
  • 9.3: Eagle
  • 10.0: Whitetail
  • 10.1: Butler
  • 10.2: Corry
  • 10.3: Erie
  • 11.0: Tigris
 
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My OS is Oreo - updated when I was informed of the new version. It cannot be done except whenever the carrier notifies the user that it is available. Older phone users may not be notified until later - if ever. But the older phone still is as functional as when it was new. When it is obvious that it is not as responsive, then it can be replaced. Often the operating systems in older phones are not updated.

Before Apple users get their knickers all twisted, they should realize not everyone needs or wants an iPhone, especially considering the price. And it is a one-maker phone so it's no wonder that most iPhones are up-to-date with their OS.
 
As an owner of a Samsung Galaxy S8+, I wish Google and the Android OEM’s were embarrassed by these metrics. But sadly, they are not.
I think Google is, albeit it’s somewhat out of their hands. Certainly they’ve taken steps to make as much of the OS an ‘app’ as possible so it can all be independently updated piece by piece without requiring a full OS update be pushed by the device manufacturer.

As for the OEMs, you ought to be glad that you get any updates once their product is discontinued. Had a Sony Android TV 2015 model and was shocked to see it update recently to Nougat.
 
Just STOP downgrading from iOS 6 to iOS 11.
I'll never do this mistake again. Once a iOS... I'l be running on it for the next 3-4 years.
 
With 13 releases of iOS 11. It's kind of hard not to be on it, since your Apple device gets cranky and asks you to upgrade non-stop. Unless your device does not support it.

Plus there is WatchOS 11.3, or HomePod which requires iOS 11. So the more deeper you are in the ecosystem, you can't avoid it.
I agreee. It’s nice to have choice of which OS version you can use on Android. Apple continually is removing that choice from their users, tightening the noose.
 
Not really. The acccount security wasn’t bypassed, it was guessed. Quite the difference. But great try anyway.

As far as greybox. Android doesn’t even need special hardware.
 
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You probably didn't like >3.5" display, OLED, precision pen input, etc. either until Apple adopted them but reality is names are easier to remember just like how people have names and numbers (SS#) associated to them but are referred to by name.
You can't tell which version is newer without looking up the version number of each name, and the numbers (1-11) are low enough that they're easy to remember.
 
In addition, there's no way to downgrade back to iOS10. iOS 11 is a total crap, especially "always on" wifi and bluetooth feature that drains the heck out of the poor iPhone battery in no time.
 
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