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Could tie it in with loss preventative measure. Isn't Amazon using NFC check out at their stores with no employees?

Good question.

People guessed that at first, but Amazon says they're using computer vision and sensors similar to self-driving car technology.

NFC's too short range to use. Its broader parent RFID would work with more powerful readers, but that could cause mistakes reading somebody else's nearby groceries as yours :)
 
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How hard are these to make? Like, can I just pick up a few and stick them on whatever I want, or can I only buy them in lots of 100,000 units?
 
I'd like to be able to collect loyalty points for example at the same time as I use tap to pay. I have to scan a QR code and then use tap to pay when I get my coffee for example.

If Apple's not allowing apps to register for NDEF messages, then you'd still have to manually open a loyalty app.

I'd also like my Passport and Drivers Licence to be in my phone. I could leave my wallet at home if they did this. I believe the UK is looking at digital passports which is definitely the future.

This would not help with that.

Throw in the ability to unlock and start my car and get into my house and I could leave everything at home except my phone.

It's just a reader. It cannot transmit to a lock.

At best, you'd need to open an app that recognized you tapping a certain door tag, and the app then uses Bluetooth or WiFi to unlock whatever door you had associated with that tag.
 
How hard are these to make? Like, can I just pick up a few and stick them on whatever I want, or can I only buy them in lots of 100,000 units?

Go to Amazon and search for "NFC tags" to see lots of consumer versions.

My son-in-law has been using them for years with his Android phones. At bedside, in his cars, at his office desk.

At each location, he taps the tag and his phone goes into a different mode. WiFi on/off, security or not, etc.

He also has tags that he's setup to use with apps like ITTT and other programmable actions. So he can tap a tag and his stereo turns on, the lights go dim, TV turns off etc.
 
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I want Apple to bring FeliCa to all Iphones and Apple Watches, not just Japan models. That way when I travel I can use my iPhone.
Plus the US contactless payment systems need to be standardize. Some places its good and other places it sucks. Some I can just hold my watch to the system. While others I have to go through screens and sign. The also need to work on the time it takes for a transaction. Even the one that I just hold my watch to take to long.
 
I hope this gets more vendors to board the Apple Pay train. Personally, I can't wait for Apple Pay to be accepted everywhere. After having to replace my credit card twice(!) this year because of fraud, I'm tired of having to constantly stop at an ATM to withdraw cash. (First world problems...:rolleyes:)
I just got back from a trip to Ireland, and was surprised to find Apple Pay accepted pretty much everywhere. I used for almost every purchase. I think it’s only been around in Ireland a few months now, but way way more places accepting it than here in the USA, where it has been around for years.
 
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A wine bottle with an NFC tag to show information? It's a stupid idea. A QR code can do the same, and it costs A LOT less to print it compared to incorporating a tag in the label. It's like cracking nuts with an atomic bomb.
 
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Is this coming to the iPhone 6/Plus or iPhone 6s/Plus or SE



Apple at WWDC 2017 last month introduced Core NFC, a new iOS 11 framework that enables apps to detect Near Field Communication tags.

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Similar to Apple Pay, iPhone users are prompted with a "Ready to Scan" dialog box. After holding the iPhone near an item with an NFC tag, a checkmark displays on screen if a product is detected. An app with Core NFC could then provide users with information about that product contained within the tag.

A customer shopping at a grocery store could hold an iPhone near a box of crackers, for example, and receive detailed information about their nutritional values, price history, recipe ideas, and so forth. Or, at a museum, a visitor could hold an iPhone near an exhibit to receive detailed information about it.

Core NFC will expand the iPhone's NFC chip capabilities beyond simply Apple Pay in several other ways.

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A bottle of wine with an NFC tag similar to CapSeal

Cybersecurity company WISeKey, for example, today announced that its CapSeal smart tag will now support iPhone thanks to Core NFC. CapSeal smart tags are primarily used for authentication, tracking, and anti-counterfeiting on products like wine bottles. Many other companies offer similar solutions.Core NFC is currently supported by the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus, and the framework is read-only for NFC tags of types 1 through 5 that contain data in the NFC Data Exchange Format (NDEF).

Developers interested in learning more can read Apple's documentation or watch the Introducing Core NFC session from WWDC 2017.

Article Link: iOS 11 Will Expand Your iPhone's NFC Capabilities Beyond Apple Pay in Several Ways
 
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Could Sony PlayMemories app use this as well? To connect to a camera?
 
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Overall, disappointing. It's a first step, but a tiny one, and took years to allow?? I want full NFC capability, yesterday. Also unless they are admitting the 6 and 6s NFC implementation are less-secure somehow and would threaten ApplePay, the only reason I see to limit this to the 7 is pure greed to get people to upgrade.

I wanted this in 1970.
 
A wine bottle with an NFC tag to show information? It's a stupid idea. A QR code can do the same, and it costs A LOT less to print it compared to incorporating a tag in the label. It's like cracking nuts with an atomic bomb.

OTOH, if Apple supported NFC _writing_, then you could store info in the tag to read later, like when you bought it and where, how much it cost you, what temperature it's been stored at, etc.

Okay, yeah, you could also do that in an app that stored info retrievable by QR code ;)

But then nobody else could come along and read the same info using their phone! :D
 
I'm curious to know why they don't allow NFC API for older iPhones.
It may be greed as you said, but ARKit is supported on iPhone 6s and is another major selling point for iOS 11, so if the only reason was greed they'd have put ARKit only on iPhone 7.

Not exactly specific but at

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/corenfc

It says "
Note

Reading NFC NDEF tags is supported on iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus."

So I'm inclined to think it's a hardware limitation.
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may as well use a pay phone in the woods
Sure, hiking deep in the woods for several hours and I come across a payphone. Nothing suspicious about that. :)
 
At best, you'd need to open an app that recognized you tapping a certain door tag, and the app then uses Bluetooth or WiFi to unlock whatever door you had associated with that tag.

You have to open an app anyway. Then could to authentication on a server and unlock the door remotely. I'm doing this already, just using bluetooth instead of NFC
 
Plus the US contactless payment systems need to be standardize. Some places its good and other places it sucks. Some I can just hold my watch to the system. While others I have to go through screens and sign. The also need to work on the time it takes for a transaction. Even the one that I just hold my watch to take to long.

I suspect that NFC payment acceptance will never be as good in the US as it is elsewhere (for multiple reasons). That ultimately might not matter too much in the long term though as most retail moves online and Amazon Go-type stores become more common for the rest. The downside, of course, is that we'll likely end up having a bunch of retailer specific apps.

However, if there was some sort of way to access NFC tags or the camera via Safari, then maybe retailers could just have people go to a special URL to scan their items (and pay with Apple Pay :cool:).
 
Overall, disappointing. It's a first step, but a tiny one, and took years to allow?? I want full NFC capability, yesterday. Also unless they are admitting the 6 and 6s NFC implementation are less-secure somehow and would threaten ApplePay, the only reason I see to limit this to the 7 is pure greed to get people to upgrade.
It’s greed to want this on your 6 or 6s.
 
Go to Amazon and search for "NFC tags" to see lots of consumer versions.

My son-in-law has been using them for years with his Android phones. At bedside, in his cars, at his office desk.

At each location, he taps the tag and his phone goes into a different mode. WiFi on/off, security or not, etc.

He also has tags that he's setup to use with apps like ITTT and other programmable actions. So he can tap a tag and his stereo turns on, the lights go dim, TV turns off etc.

The most popular one seems to be 8 for $10. So the answer to my question is no, they are still to expensive.
 
I know Apple is all excited about NFC and thinks it will be the neatest thing ever that everyone will use every day, but it's really not. It is used with excitement for the first month or so, then you forget about it forever (i.e. QR codes lol).

But welcome to the club I guess.

(yes, I'm aware of Apple Pay, I'm referring to full NFC)
 
You have to open an app anyway. Then could to authentication on a server and unlock the door remotely. I'm doing this already, just using bluetooth instead of NFC

No need to open an app manually on other phones. Apps can register for custom NDEF tags and open automatically, same as the way Apple opens Apple Pay automatically when it sees an NFC payment query.

(Okay, except that normally the phone must be unlocked.)

The most popular one seems to be 8 for $10. So the answer to my question is no, they are still to expensive.

How many do you need? And are you sure you need NFC tags?
 
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My daughter is a Type 1 diabetic and uses a Freestyle Libre (https://www.freestylelibre.co.uk/libre/) the NFC chip of which she scans with a proprietary meter. An Android App exists for this (albeit with mixed results, apparently) and there's a whole bunch of us praying that Apple are opening up their NFC chip so we can use our iPhones. It'll be a read only requirement so I'm guessing we're nearly there, but anyone out there who can shed some tech light on whether Apple have opened things up enough? Thanks!
 
No need to open an app manually on other phones. Apps can register for custom NDEF tags and open automatically, same as the way Apple opens Apple Pay automatically when it sees an NFC payment query.

Apple's implementation in iOS 11 requires the app to be open, and the user to interact with the app to start the scanning process, i.e. tap a button or message on the screen.
 
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