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iOS 12.1 Simulator Supports Virtualized 4K External Displays, Hinting at USB-C Port for iPad Pro

robbysibrahim said:
ooooh I love what this hint hints at. Does anyone see a mouse pointer in iPads future?
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I absolutely don’t see a mouse, but I see a new apple display!!
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Spock said:
I just can’t see Apple adopting USB-C on the iPad while the iPhone still has lightning. And Apple makes more money off of lightning adapters, I’ll be shocked if this happens this year.
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I can totally see them do it. Would make it easier to switch the phones too next year. And the whole lineup is already so chaotic, I wouldn’t be shocked at all.
 
fokmik said:
but the profit for Apple is bigger on the mac sells.
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So imagine how much better the margins will be once development and components have synergy and economy of scale. Keep them separate and unique to their core uses, but more focused.
 
Aegelward said:
Looks like Tim Cook is at it again, corrupting Steven Job's vision. Soon they'll add mouse support and the dream of the iPad will be dead.
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Nah. They're moving toward a hybrid system much like Microsoft's Surface line, except they're going about it in a totally different way. Apple has locked down the tablet experience already; now they're making iOS more flexible and creating an ideal accessory environment for added flexibility/functionality. It makes perfect sense.
 
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I want a small bezel ipad pretty bad. its doesnt have to be a pro.
When? I have a 2013 ipad to upgrade!
 
if the iPad Pro's end up using USB-C in lieu of a lightning port, I presume they would include a USB-C male to Lightning-female adaptor (similar to the lightning to headphone adaptor that had been included in the iPhone 7,8, and X. Of course if they remove the headphone jack as well, and if you had conventional headphones or earbuds, you would have to connect both adaptor types in series in order to use the wired headphones. Dongle-hell indeed.
 
Wish they also offer mouse pointer support, Xcode, Unix shell with installable Unix tools like Compiler, USB drive support, configurable keyboard shortcuts like in macOS and own services that run in the background. Then I can do 98% of my work.
 
think I will get the 11 inch ipad pro. be interesting how much smaller the 12.9 will be though
 
1080p said:
::SMDH:: It sounds like you guys want the iPad to be a MacBook. Just buy a MacBook.
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Why it must be then a Notebook form factor? The hinge on a MacBook makes it impractical in some use cases. A MacBook isn't a tablet. But a tablet can be converted to a Notebook. If Apple wants.
 
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julesme said:
This would mark a major milestone in iPad’s evolution into a laptop replacement. Wouldn’t it cannibalize MacBook sales?
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A tablet is never going to replace a laptop. Try programming on a touch screen.

iPad Pros are basically toys designed for watching Youtube and web surfing on the couch.
 
I know its a guess on a guess, but any idea when the event and sales might be if they happen in October ? Is there a pattern from previous years?
Im travelling on 13th Oct and would love to take a nice shiny new iPad with me.
 
macduke said:
Is this 4K display support just for movies or mirroring UI? If not that raises even more questions, such as:
  • Can you connect a mouse and keyboard to it?
  • There are multiple solutions to circumvent the “mouse or finger” dilemma in their labs that are all compromises. So they have been postponing implementation decisions as there wasn’t a clear direction or strategy on this dilemma.
  • Could Marzipan work both ways—not just making it so you can get iOS apps running on Mac, but get Mac apps running on iPad? This would enable apps to run in a mouse friendly way when connected to an external display.
  • Neither yet, because of this lack of direction. There’s conflicting interests on sales volumes (where iPad wins) and functionality (where Mac wins) and they definitely have some hard eggs to crack here - making this category of rumors the more interesting. An external screen would enforce a few decisions (as to whether it be a touch or a dead screen)
  • Did Apple lie recently when they said that they weren't working on a Surface like product? They've lied and/or changed course in the past, such as the video iPod, iPhone denials, saying that an iPad Mini makes no sense, and I remember Phil Schiller ripping apart wireless charging around 2012 and saying it's dumb to need a pad and that makes it not wireless.
  • Tim & Phil’s persistent denial of a Mac/iPad convert implied they would rather follow than lead in an eventual paradigm shift where MS took the lead with Surface. I think that despite MS flawed imlementation the Surface idea itself was great and Apple is feeling some heat right now. That doesn’t mean they were just lying (of course they did, as it is 50% of their job...) but that the paradigms are rolling (Tim will soon start talking on “developing perspectives”)

  • Will you be able to plug any USB-C device into it? Will it download drivers from the web? Will it provide power to connected devices? Having a USB-C port implies a lot of things should just work with a device to avoid customer confusion.
  • That ’s another area of contradiction. iDevices are closed systems with ultimately zero ports. USB-C would allow it to open up for endless interconnection opportunities that the (phone!) OS doesn’t support as it is canonically opposed to its design direction. So who *ever* decided to keep an iPad running on a phone OS... that flaw will ultimately kill the idea of iPad being the Next Computer/PostPC device, which they favored because of its mass deployment.
  • This is exactly the core problem of a company led by a sales guy (like Tim) and not a product guy (like Steve)
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sw1tcher said:
Now I'm going to need a USB-C to Lightning adapter for my Lightning to 3.5mm adapter so I can use my headphones with this iPad Pro? :eek:
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I would LOVE for that to happen -- then at least I could use my EarPods with my MacBook. Currently I have to carry two pair of EarPods (which I refuse to do), or use the Lightning adapter with my old 3.5mm EarPods -- just to use my Mac!!

But I doubt it will. It's probably going to be an upgraded Lightning port and USB-C adapter. I doubt Apple will switch to USB-C for the iPad until they ultimately remove the Lightning port from all iOS devices in a move to inductive charging, and wireless data transfer.
 
Aegelward said:
Looks like Tim Cook is at it again, corrupting Steven Job's vision. Soon they'll add mouse support and the dream of the iPad will be dead.
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If Apple were to add mouse support, how does that kill the “dream of the iPad”? You can still use your finger, just like when Apple added support for the Pencil. Maybe they’ll sell twice as many iPads, that would be great! Steve will be dancing in his grave, not rolling.
 
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sw1tcher said:
Now I'm going to need a USB-C to Lightning adapter for my Lightning to 3.5mm adapter so I can use my headphones with this iPad Pro? :eek:
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I laughed so hard. :D

Seamless connector to connector activity.
 
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Romeo_Nightfall said:
Mac is dead for apple, the signs are obvious
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I disagree - they have made investments and improvements in the mac line (hardware and software) to take that road. But they are recognizing that mobile platforms are increasing in importance and will be the primary device for many users.

If you want to see a corollary - look at the Samsung Dex effort. At first its easy to see it as a joke. But I have a client (fabrication firm) that has issued Galaxy Notes to their executives as a replacement for the laptops. I have seen senior managers come into a facility - place their phones in the Dex thingy - run their apps - email, office, etc and even review engineering designs. When they are done - they take it out and slip it into their pocket. I asked them about this and said they started the program 6 months prior and got great responses.

I then imagined iOS's better apps running in that scenario and I can see the value.
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AgentAnonymous said:
A tablet is never going to replace a laptop. Try programming on a touch screen.

iPad Pros are basically toys designed for watching Youtube and web surfing on the couch.
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You haven't really been paying attention lately.
 
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AgentAnonymous said:
A tablet is never going to replace a laptop. Try programming on a touch screen.

iPad Pros are basically toys designed for watching Youtube and web surfing on the couch.
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AKA: what most people are using their devices for. The MacBook isn't going anywhere, but for the vast majority of people an iPad absolutely can replace a MacBook/laptop.
 
I am in the "not going to happen" camp. I do not see Apple getting rid of the Lightning port on either the iPad or iPhone lines. What I can see (as some others have noted) is updating the USB controller to support USB 3.1 (the protocol behind USB-C). This way a USB-C to Lightning cable will get the increased data speeds, external display support, etc, not just the faster charging.
 
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polbit said:
I don't think this follows current Apple logic. In order to maximize revenue in the post-growth iPhone sales world, they will introduce the new iPad Pro with a new, proprietary Lightning Pro connector, incompatible with the old one because "innovation", and then provide inexpensive, $29.95 cables for Lightning to Lightning Pro and USB-C to Lightning Pro.

Oh, and the new iPad Pros will cost extra $300. Because again, "innovation."
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You must be a ton of fun at parties with that positive attitude /s

Lighten up, it's just a computer device that some people like and others apparently seem to enjoy complaining/being cynical about...
 
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