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This substituting ones service for themselves without giving users the option. Apple should instead compete and offer their own Search engine and services like everyone else does rather eschewing data out of other orgs services. That is what they are doing here.

Don’t like Facebook ... great ... offer their own version of Facebook.

I’m ok with some base privacy requirements when it comes to permissions and apps on the App store. But that is just it.
Shame they sell “Default search engine” as a product instead of making own search engine.
 
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Wish they wrote Safari for windows again. Would be the perfect platform.

That's a whole other ironic debate.

They only care about your web privacy if you buy their computer. On PC, meh use Edge, Firefox, or Chrome, your privacy is SOL. Of course, it's about money at the end of the day, let's get real. They're a corporation still.

Which is dumb because if you are using Safari on PC then odds are incredibly high that you DO own an iOS product, just not a Mac.

And it probably takes more time to develop/maintan iCloud for PC and the various browser extensions (like new passwords) than simply maintain Safari on PC all in one application.

It all just doesn't make a ton of sense with the Safari issue.
 
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There is the issue. Sadly you have received thumbs down for no reason as well. It is a very good question to be asking.

You cannot say "buh much privacy" Why? "Um um, BECAUSE APPLE." That isn't any sort of logical answer. Just because Apple takes a stance on some issues that seem sort of ok doesn't make that an automatic assumption.

Look at Siri, they were having people listening to the recordings. Some privacy huh? Imagine if that story never was exposed what else they would have tried to get away with....

Assuming privacy due to a "because Apple" argument is a really bad assumption to be making without even looking further.

Trust Apple more than Google, sure. That doesn't mean blindly either.


Thumbs down my comment, but this is the same company after all who CLAIMS they removed the charger for "the environment" when it's really money savings. To sell you the charger or Magsafe in more packaging.

Or remove the courage port to sell you Airpods.

But yes let's blindly trust them "because Apple pwomises." :rolleyes: They lie too, sorry to break the reality news.
 
Again Apple is playing hypocrisy. In China, they are not doing this. They are routing through Tencent which Chinese govt has full access.
Only one choice if sales to China are to be made. Nothing to do with US sales or our rights. Their country their rules.
 
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So, Apple uses a service provided by Google, but is shielding the user from Google. Isn't this, what Apple usually would call "stealing"?
That depends on the terms under which Google makes that database available, doesn't it?
 
So, Apple uses a service provided by Google, but is shielding the user from Google. Isn't this, what Apple usually would call "stealing"?

And people doing a lot of searches to the same topic would notice a big difference between DDG and Google. If a word has a meaning in another context, with Google I'm getting, what I'm looking for, because Google knows my interests. With DDG I might get quite different results, e.g. strange thinks, if the word is otherwise some slang expression with explicit meaning.

It’s only stealing if Google’s terms of service, or some law, doesn’t allow it.

If I buy a book and let my friends read it, is that stealing?
 
So, Apple uses a service provided by Google, but is shielding the user from Google. Isn't this, what Apple usually would call "stealing"?

And people doing a lot of searches to the same topic would notice a big difference between DDG and Google. If a word has a meaning in another context, with Google I'm getting, what I'm looking for, because Google knows my interests. With DDG I might get quite different results, e.g. strange thinks, if the word is otherwise some slang expression with explicit meaning.
Hilarious and grossly uninformed.
 
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There are two different APIs here: you can ask whether a specific set of URLs are safe, or you can ask for an entire database of safe URLs. Safari probably uses the latter. It’s more efficient and more private. It does not require a request each time.
My understanding is that your computer downloads a list with shortened URLs that are suspicious, the complete list would be too large. Then your Safari browser checks every url against the list, and if it is suspicious _then_ the exact url is looked up. Of course now Apple does the looking up for you. They will get sooo many spam emails!!!
 
My understanding is that your computer downloads a list with shortened URLs that are suspicious, the complete list would be too large.

Yes, apologies. You only download the prefix set at first.

Then your Safari browser checks every url against the list, and if it is suspicious _then_ the exact url is looked up. Of course now Apple does the looking up for you. They will get sooo many spam emails!!!

Yup. If the prefix matches, the detail set for that prefix is loaded.

My understanding is that, even then, you never fetch for one particular URL, but a range (all URLs matching a hash prefix).

So, in simplified terms: regardless of your browsing behavior, Safari will keep up-to-date an index of, shall we say, the letters A to Z. Then, if you fetch a URL with letter P, and haven't recently done so, Safari will ask for the detailed index of all URLs matching P. But, unlike with letters, because cryptographic hashing is used, those URLs actually have nothing to do with each other, so it'd be near-impossible to reverse-engineer from that query which URL you were actually looking for.
 
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It does make me wonder how many people will actually stick with DDG were Apple to actually make it default one fine day. Google evidently fears this possibility enough to pay Apple billions of dollars a year, but I feel like the majority would just switch back to google search out of sheer annoyance.

I believe most people use the default "Google" their browser has setup.
 
I hope they stop taking Google's money and make DuckDuckGo the default search engine. I would be delighted if Apple truly went all in on privacy, it looks like that is the plan as a way to separate them from the pack. The Apple of the next decade should be privacy focused and have very tight control over its supply chain.

For some reason I find it hard to take a search engine named DuckDuckGo seriously. It may be a perfectly good search engine, but the childish name that sounds like a joke does not inspire confidence.
 
Apple is very clear and detailed about how they protect privacy and it is a major selling point for them. There is no reason to lump them in with others.

Just like the fact that one didn’t murder anyone today is a great way to gain trust until one begins one’s serial killing spree?

You mean like Apple hiring people to listen to your Siri inquiries? That was supposed to be "privacy-focused" hence why it trails the rest of the assistants?

Let's not pretend Apple = Jesus here. They have a much better stance than most, like Google or Facebook, but not infallible sainthood.

Equally, doing the right thing doesn't mean they can't do wrong tomorrow. They've done plenty of wrong as a company- butterfly keyboards, you're holding it wrong, bendgate, battery & throttling, etc etc etc. And worse, they STILL won't admit being wrong after any/all of that. That is the worst part of Apple- that they will never admit a mistake; that smugness they have as a company culture.

No one should get the benefit of the doubt frankly when their sole goal of existing is to make as much $$$$ off people as possible. Loyalty to any company is a frankly ridiculous concept.
 
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Thumbs down my comment, but this is the same company after all who CLAIMS they removed the charger for "the environment" when it's really money savings. To sell you the charger or Magsafe in more packaging.

Or remove the courage port to sell you Airpods.

But yes let's blindly trust them "because Apple pwomises." :rolleyes: They lie too, sorry to break the reality news.
I’m usually an ardent Apple supporter, and I do love their products. However, I am under no illusions they are trustworthy or do anything for my benefit without a monetary benefit for them first. You don’t get to be worth over $1 Trillion by being a virtuous altruistic company.

With that said, they do seem to be more about my privacy than most other tech giants, and being in their ecosystem offers a ton of benefits for myself and family, as well as my closest friends who are all Apple as well. AirDrop, FaceTime, iMessage, Apple Music, etc, are all really nice to have alongside others with those same services. And the steps they are taking environmentally are real tangible positives (and no I’m not talking about the charging block).
 
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