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Will iOS 14 be what iOS 13 should have been, a stable and not so buggy iOS?

That’s what iOS 12 was supposed to be. Stable, speedy, super compatible... not a ton of new stuff. Even those bugs aren’t fixed yet... I’m still cranking my SE (2016) with iOS 12, despite it won’t get updated because “it qualifies for iOS 13”, which I refuse.

iOS 12 works decently... although it and my 3rd gen Apple Watch (WatchOS 5.whatever) seem to hate each other most of the time. I miss watchOS 4; it was sweet! 5 hates my watch; feeling is mutual at this point, tho. I hate watchOS 5, too (bugs on top of bugs, Siri and any voice action is 80% unreliable, whereas it was a solid 90+% reliable on WatchOS 4).

I’m not optimistic about iOS 14 at this point, either.... I might just die on iOS 12. Hahaha!
 
The 6S really is not. The jump from the A9 to the A10 was among the most dramatic both in CPU, and GPU. While the RAM stayed the same from the 6S to the 7, the 7 is a much more capable device today.

sorry what? I think you meant the jump from A8 to A9

A9 and A10 are almost identical save for the higher frequencies and additional low power cores. The actual chip itself in terms of the silicon between the A9 and high power A10 cores is *very very* similar right down to the pipelines, cache, everything.

Gpu in the A10 is only a half step up and not a next gen version of the GPU in the A9. Even the A8, which was itself a small upgrade over the A7, used a
generational gpu over the A7

The low power cores do not function at the same time as the high power cores (heterogenous design, mean either the low or high power cores function for a given task) and the A10 is the only modern Apple chip that does this, and the only big.LITTLE design from that era in a major smartphone or tablet that does this

The A9 was a big improvement from the prior 64 bit design shared by the A7 and A8 as Apple completely redesigned or enhanced many components of the cpu in the A9, which was carried on into the A10.

The A10 is like a souped up A9, not as big of a leap as you think it was. Yes Apple has incredible marketing that makes people think processor leaps are bigger or smaller than they actually can be, but the A9 and A10 are very similar. It’s basically the same CPU at a higher frequency

unless Apple decides to stop supporting A9 devices, in theory the A9 devices should be able to run anything an A10 device can. The differences in architecture simply are not there where it would be impossible.



if the A9 devices do not support iOS 15 but the A10 devices do, then there is a bigger business and resource decision behind that than a processing power decision
 
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Actually A9 to A10 was one of the smaller bumps, the jump from A8 to A9 was much bigger. In initial reviews I remember a lot of reviewers saying that you wouldn’t noticed a difference in speed. The A9 holds up very well almost 5 years later imo.
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I kind of expect that iOS 14 will be A9 and newer, so the Air 2 and Mini 4 could be out, but that’s just my thoughts.

You’re right that it was not a huge jump. Not just from subjective opinions at the time by reviewers (who may or may not have deeper understanding of CPUs and gpus) but also objectively looking at the CPUs themselves, the best way to describe the A10 is a souped up A9 (low power cores aside)

the A9 was the big upgrade. It laid the foundation for all the high power cores to come, and they really added a lot to the A7/A8 design
 
So you do want new updates.

Apple has provided critical security updates on old and new iOS versions in the past.

If Apple wanted to do planned obsolescence, they would have just cut off after 3 years like Android does.

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So doing the opposite of planned obsolescence is secretly part of "planned obsolescence"? That's extremely stupid.
You suggested people not update.
 
But!! How does this fit into the whole "planned obsolescence" narrative?

If you have not noticed, after the many complaints by people about "planned obsolescence" from Apple, Apple started to support their devices much longer. Complaining worked. Just like it worked with the butterfly keyboards.
 
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If you have not noticed, after the many complaints by people about "planned obsolescence" from Apple, Apple started to support their devices much longer. Complaining worked. Just like it worked with the butterfly keyboards.
This sounds like a chicken and egg thing. I personally don’t believe Apple ever had a planned obsolescence agenda. Accidental obsolescence maybe, but not planned.
 
Merely company slowing down retirement of old devices to curb this “planned obsolescence” narrative.
For 4+ year old iPhones and iPads? So Apple’s playing the long game?

However, Android smartphone users get only two years of updates and they're not complaining because Android smartphone users either don't care or are happy to buy a new Android smartphone every couple of years.
Almost every android user I know isn’t aware that there are yearly android updates–because many of them can’t update. Some think that new android features came with the phone they upgrade to every 2 years.
 
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But!! How does this fit into the whole "planned obsolescence" narrative?
On the contrary this proves that planned obsolescence exists. iOS 14 is the cripple update for the older devices so as to entice people to buy the shiny new iPhone 12. I wouldn’t be surprised if even the iPhone 11 got slowed down by this.
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Optional update.
Apple doesn’t allow downgrades and the OS is shoved down our throats with notifications.
 
On the contrary this proves that planned obsolescence exists. iOS 14 is the cripple update for the older devices so as to entice people to buy the shiny new iPhone 12. I wouldn’t be surprised if even the iPhone 11 got slowed down by this.
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iOS 13 sped up the iPhone for everyone that updated.

Why would Apple speed up the iPhone if their intention was to do the opposite?

Apple would rather say "after 3 years, no more updates" instead of going through the trouble of providing releases for old hardware just to secretly sneak in code that intentionally slows down the phone.

Apple doesn’t allow downgrades and the OS is shoved down our throats with notifications.
Doesn't make what I said any less true.
Downgrades are possible before they stop signing the version which is about a week or two after release.
 
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There are enough examples on this forum and outside when user update their iOS software by accident, because iOS continuously download the latest version and try to install it overnight, or pops up a 10s countdown window telling user the update is about to install.

I have never. Ever. Had that problem. So someone is doing something wrong.

Perhaps you, and/or they, are not aware of this switch (see attached).

Oddly, it’s under “Software Update” in the Settings app, of all places. Who’d have thought?? /s
 

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Whether it matters or not depends on how many bugs iOS 14 has. I'm hopeful, but realistically I expect the worst. Software quality seems to be trending down.

Actually not. iOS 14 is expected to be like iOS 12, which means it will focus on stability and bug fixes
 
Will run doesn’t necessarily mean the new OS won’t struggle on some devices, or that some features will be available on all devices capable of iOS 13.

Omg. You mean to tell me that hardware from 6+ years ago is significantly slower and has less features and functionality than today’s?? This is an outrage!! I gotta call my lawyer.
 
For 4+ year old iPhones and iPads? So Apple’s playing the long game?
Or just to avoid bad PR and create such narrative among fan base that “we support longer”? Good for customers I agree, but who knows what their true intention is.
Products have life cycles throughout their development and production. iPhone is no exception. Once lifecycle is reached, development company will probably decide to drop support. “Planned obsolescence” myth imo largely comes from this product lifestyle thing that customers are somewhat forced to buy new stuff every now and then just to keep doing stuff they like or considered essential for them.

Sure, Apple hasn’t gone down to extreme length of artificially stop old devices from operating through software updates, but each product (iPhone iPad whatever) still has their own support cycles. The way Apple handles support cycles can influence customer experience with Apple products. So far I’d say they are doing ok, but I do wish they stop nagging users for updates after a few “update later” prompts on user devices.

As for “long game”, Apple IS playing the long game, but not on software updates.
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I have never. Ever. Had that problem. So someone is doing something wrong.

Perhaps you, and/or they, are not aware of this switch (see attached).

Oddly, it’s under “Software Update” in the Settings app, of all places. Who’d have thought?? /s
I personally never have this update problem and I am fully aware of that switch. But thank you for subtly insulting the intelligence of average internet users. Feels about right to me. /s

Bottom line: just because you don’t have any problem doesn’t mean the problem doesn’t exist.
 
I personally never have this update problem and I am fully aware of that switch. But thank you for subtly insulting the intelligence of average internet users. Feels about right to me. /s

Bottom line: just because you don’t have any problem doesn’t mean the problem doesn’t exist.

The problem as described appears to be that users are forced to update without the option to avoid it/turn it off/whatever.

I am pointing out that there is a switch in the user interface in exactly the place you’d expect it to be, to do exactly that: turn it off. Easily.

It’s not like this switch is hidden in the bowels of some obscure location or with some obscure label. It is clearly labeled “Automatic Updates” with a detailed description of what it means, in the “Software Update” section of the Settings App.

More to the point, part of the argument I was responding to was the (false) claim that it can’t be turned off at all. And that in contrast to Windows 10’s forced updates that apparently can be turned off through some obscure method, implying that therefore Windows 10 is ok and iOS is not. That’s a ridiculous claim when faced with the evidence of my screenshot.
 
I don't believe this since recent Xcode update removed 4" devices from Simulator presets. We'll see in 3 weeks on WWDC whether or not 2016 SE is on its last year of hard carry
 
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