iOS 14 Again Said to Be Compatible With All iPhones Able to Run iOS 13

[ksec]

I am pretty sure iOS 14 wont support iPhone SE 2016.

I was about to post how reidcoulous it was to label this as normal for Apple. But then I check turns out iOS 12, released Sep 2018, still support iPhone 5s, released in Sep 2013.

So iOS 14 in 2020 supporting iPhone 6s from 2015 is still the within the current standard schedule. Not extending anything.

 

[Homme]

I don't believe this since recent Xcode update removed 4" devices from Simulator presets. We'll see in 3 weeks on WWDC whether or not 2016 SE is on its last year of hard carry

so your inclined to tell me based on that even the 4 inch iPod Touch, a device released with iOS 12 around a year ago won’t get iOS 14 because of a Xcode update

just like when iPhonesoft predicted SE won’t get iOS 13 because of its 4 inch screen size and nothing to do with processing power, do you really think that is how Apple supports devices.. based on screen sizes.. the SE is even faster than 6S because it has less pixels and a less screen resolution for the A9 to handle

 

[BvizioN]

well, we don't know h o w it will run yet...

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slows phones down to the point unusable!

Yep! That explains why so many are still using iPhone 6, 6s, some even 5s.

 

[mtrm]

slows phones down to the point unusable!

My iPhone 6s begs to differ! Still plenty fast and usable.

on another note I find people in this board amazing.
If title reads “Apple drops iPhone xx from iOS yy” everyone complains about planned obsolescence and that they don’t update their phones. If it reads “iOS yy to still support iPhone xx” everyone complains about updates being forced down their throats and that it will only slow phones down...
I for once am glad I’m still getting updates and don’t find my iPhone slow at all. If anything it’s as great as it ever was and still rocking the latest version of iOS, with all the security updates even 5 years after launch. With that said, if performance is to drop to unacceptable levels (iPhone 4 on iOS 7 like) I expect Apple not to release the update at all, and I wouldn’t be mad, as the devices got a pretty good run already.
I disagree with many things Apple does, especially on the Mac side (RAM and storage upgrade prices being the most blatant ones), but support on mobile devices is unrivalled. Good luck finding an android phone getting more than 3 years of OEM support. Gotta give merit where it’s due.

 

[Wanted797]

But!! How does this fit into the whole "planned obsolescence" narrative?

Easy! What’s a better way to make people upgrade other than making their phone slow and unusable?!

*I am joking.

 

[Chlloret]

The 6S really is not. The jump from the A9 to the A10 was among the most dramatic both in CPU, and GPU. While the RAM stayed the same from the 6S to the 7, the 7 is a much more capable device today.

Got both. And an 11. But the 6s is by no means absolete, it got more advantages over the 7 then the 7 has speed. First of all, benchmarks do not mean squat in the real world. When I start an app on the 6s, the 7 or the 11, there is only a difference you might be able to mesure, not feel. I use the 6s (old phone of my wife, upgraded to 11) as my private phone, the 7 is the office. Because lots of things it can not do for me, private. The 6s got a real home button, the 7 a sensor that had to be repaired allready twice. The 6s got a headphone jack, the 7 does not. My basic apps, phone, telegram, face time, TV, Radio, security cameras, banking, some network tools, news, internet (icab mobile) Twitter, spotify, translator, discord, dji drone control and the oculus link run just fine, no lag, no problems. The battery lasts longer (got changed by Apple in the exchange program) the touch ID is great at the moment where my wife has problems with face id and her mask.
the 7 is a good phone but if you have a 6s there is really nothing why you need a 7.
My wife runs around with a handbag, so the size of the 11 is no problem. For me it is too heavy and too big.

 

[Feyl]

The 6S really is not. The jump from the A9 to the A10 was among the most dramatic both in CPU, and GPU. While the RAM stayed the same from the 6S to the 7, the 7 is a much more capable device today.

I don’t see that in a day to day usage.

 

[Shirasaki]

It is clearly labeled “Automatic Updates”

You know what “automatic update” means right?
If not, here is how apple describes it.

I personally would not read “not automatically update” to “not update”, which is different.

 

[jackietreeh0rn]

Sounds good, but my 6s+ is huffing and puffing already, with a cracked screen and what not... will be buying the 6.1 inch pro model.

 

[Detnator]

You know what “automatic update” means right?
If not, here is how apple describes it.
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I personally would not read “not automatically update” to “not update”, which is different.

Umm... what are you talking about? I noticed you thumbed down/“disagreed” with my comment also. What’s the actual issue you’re trying to point out?

 

[I7guy]

Or just to avoid bad PR and create such narrative among fan base that “we support longer”? Good for customers I agree, but who knows what their true intention is.

Apples' true intentions, imo, is good customer service, positive user experience, etc.

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Sure, Apple hasn’t gone down to extreme length of artificially stop old devices from operating through software updates, but each product (iPhone iPad whatever) still has their own support cycles. The way Apple handles support cycles can influence customer experience with Apple products. So far I’d say they are doing ok, but I do wish they stop nagging users for updates after a few “update later” prompts on user devices.

As for “long game”, Apple IS playing the long game, but not on software updates.

I ignore the nagging and haven't installed an update accidentally. (which isn't many, because I normally just jump on them).

I would say Apple does play the long game for software updates. Iphone 5s getting recent updates for ios 12. Ipad 2 getting a recent update for ios 9. Seems like the long game to me.

 

[ThunderSkunk]

But!! How does this fit into the whole "planned obsolescence" narrative?

By pestering you to death that theres an update until you’re so used to hitting dismiss that you don’t even pay attention to it and eventually miss and hit install, which then makes your once fast & responsive & useful phone resemble trying to steer a cruise ship with a rubber band, due to increasing further the several seconds of lag between everything you see and touch & what it processes as a tap. Unhappy? Jokes on you sucker, you can’t downgrade/reinstall back to your old OS that worked. Throw it in the trash and get a new one.

I dont need a “narrative“, I have the physical experience sitting uselessly right here on my desk.

 

[*~Kim~*]

Periodically there is an update which does not drop anything, so we could be due another. I think they’d get a lot of criticism if they dropped anything at the moment. It is the biggest driver of forced upgrades; the clock starts ticking down to no longer being able to install/use apps once a device is dropped. At least while an iOS version is offered, you can choose to update or upgrade if you run into an incompatibility.

 

[Stalwart]

so your inclined to tell me based on that even the 4 inch iPod Touch, a device released with iOS 12 around a year ago won’t get iOS 14 because of a Xcode update

Yes.

Source: 10 years of iOS app development experience

 

[fredrik9]

Whether it matters or not depends on how many bugs iOS 14 has. I'm hopeful, but realistically I expect the worst. Software quality seems to be trending down.

Yeah unless iOS 14 is super stable, stay away from A-builds. iOS 13 is on F now and those are really stable. But we should still see a G-build of iOS 13 during the summer. Then to go from G to A in September? No way. Best to wait a couple of months.

 

[SAIRUS]

Best is to fix the problem with all software development, communication via clear requirements and having the fortitude to stick to a deadline and give developers time to code properly. This means management and developers working hand and hand and giving and taking from both sides.

Software teams need to get awesome at speeding up, having clear tests to bullet proof their code and checking for performance. Management needs to have clear vision and appropriate time tables. Management is a process based on having something to go towards to. Then iterate each cycle and see what can get better, BUT understand that there are plateaus, so don't change for the sake of change.

 

[now i see it]

Betcha iOS 14 on a 6S will run about as well as iOS 9 on a 4S (which isn't very well)

 

[SAIRUS]

Depends where they set their performance target at, and how optimized the code is.

 

[Shirasaki]

Umm... what are you talking about? I noticed you thumbed down/“disagreed” with my comment also. What’s the actual issue you’re trying to point out?

My bad. I am sorry.

 

[subi257]

It will run but it will probably be slow.

so don't update.
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Easy. They degrade the performance of older devices with software.

People need to get over that already, older devices have older technology chips/processors and might not understand or function with new code....as in the hardware can't do what the new code is asking. either don't upgrade or get a newer device.

I find that iPhone users seem to be sooo complainy (a new word) They complain that they don't get the latest tech, then when they get the latest tech, they complain why the "xyzzy" got changed. Android users seem to buy new tech every year and always SEEM to embrace it.

Not to seem nasty, but just an observation.

 

[McTool]

Another year of life for my iPad Air 2 would be really great.

Didn’t know an iPad dies when there are no more major updates. Thanks for the tip.

 

[iphonehype]

My iPhone 8 continues to be relevant, woo!


As someone with a 2010 iMac: it sucks to not have any more OS updates and slowly lose app updates due to them needing Mojave or newer.

The machine is over a decade old!

 

[I7guy]

Betcha iOS 14 on a 6S will run about as well as iOS 9 on a 4S (which isn't very well)

For the most part, and from what I've seen, 64 bit devices haven't had the same issue as 32 bit devices. Ios 9 on my ipad 2 isn't really the issue, in 2020 it's the 512meg of ram.

 

[gnasher729]

So you do want new updates.

Apple has provided critical security updates on old and new iOS versions in the past.

If Apple wanted to do planned obsolescence, they would have just cut off after 3 years like Android does.

Well, they have security updates for older iOS versions, but only for devices that cannot run newer versions. So you get iOS 12 updates that run on an iPhone 6 (cannot run iOS 13), but you can't install them on an iPhone 6s - only iOS 13 can be installed on an iPhone 6+.
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On the contrary this proves that planned obsolescence exists. iOS 14 is the cripple update for the older devices so as to entice people to buy the shiny new iPhone 12. I wouldn’t be surprised if even the iPhone 11 got slowed down by this.

And you now that how?

 

[Plutonius]

so don't update.

I will not in some cases.

The issue is that many people are not tech aware and will just install any updates that Apple recommends.

They are then often unsatisfied with the performance of the new update on their older device and feel stuck getting a new iPhone.

I'm not sure what the solution is but I can see why people are using the phrase "planned obsolescence".