iOS 14 Again Said to Be Compatible With All iPhones Able to Run iOS 13

[I7guy]

I will not in some cases.

The issue is that many people are not tech aware and will just install any updates that Apple recommends.

They are then often unsatisfied with the performance of the new update on their older device and feel stuck getting a new iPhone.

I'm not sure what the solution is but I can see why people are using the phrase "planned obsolescence".

I don't agree with any of the above as a statement of fact. It's true in the sense that this may apply to one or more people. As a statement of general fact I don't believe it's the rule, it's the exception.

Outside of MacRumors I have never heard the phrase "planned obsolescence". In fact with the iphone 5s getting 7 years of updates, it's the polar opposite of planned obsolescence.

 

[icymountain]

I am a bit surprised by some detail in the news text.
The source claims access to some information from developers, who say v14 will run on some devices. Good so far.
Then they say that this is the last version that will run on these devices. Where does that come from ? I do not believe that dev for v15 has started yet, so it seems weird to me that some dev would say "we will not support these devices in the OS we will release in 18 months".

That being said, if the rumor comes true, I will be happy to have my 6s running a current version of the OS for one more year. I am not exactly in a hurry to upgrade it as it works well (and probably even better for my use that subsequent "jack-less" devices ).

 

[krfr]

If they do the same as with iOS 12, for me a big stability update isn’t "minor", thanks to iOS 12, my old 2013 iPad Air works incredibly well.

Stability updates are nice, however, it would be nice to get some awesome new features as well. I’ve seen a few concepts for different features that would be nice to have.

 

[subi257]

I will not in some cases.

The issue is that many people are not tech aware and will just install any updates that Apple recommends.

They are then often unsatisfied with the performance of the new update on their older device and feel stuck getting a new iPhone.

I'm not sure what the solution is but I can see why people are using the phrase "planned obsolescence".

I agree somewhat, but I won't call it truly planned, but that's technology. It will always just keep moving on and it's just a choice for the consumers (users) in all aspects of tech that you get to a comfortable spot and hang there or try to keep up with the bleeding edge. It's also a money thing...can you afford to? Does your older device continue to do what is needed of it? than don't just replace just the hell of it.

 

[farewelwilliams]

Well, they have security updates for older iOS versions, but only for devices that cannot run newer versions. So you get iOS 12 updates that run on an iPhone 6 (cannot run iOS 13), but you can't install them on an iPhone 6s - only iOS 13 can be installed on an iPhone 6+.

which is similar to Android. manufacturers give about 1-2 years of major updates and then some security patches for those that can’t install the newest major version.
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By pestering you to death that theres an update until you’re so used to hitting dismiss that you don’t even pay attention to it and eventually miss and hit install, which then makes your once fast & responsive & useful phone resemble trying to steer a cruise ship with a rubber band, due to increasing further the several seconds of lag between everything you see and touch & what it processes as a tap. Unhappy? Jokes on you sucker, you can’t downgrade/reinstall back to your old OS that worked. Throw it in the trash and get a new one.

I dont need a “narrative“, I have the physical experience sitting uselessly right here on my desk.

I have a spare iPhone 7 running iOS 12 (for development). It’s not pestering me to death. You’re simply overreacting.

And iOS 13 made the phone faster. Your whole idea of Apple intentionally slowing your phone down to get you to buy a new one doesn’t fit.

 

[Homme]

Yes.

Source: 10 years of iOS app development experience

well that proves you don’t know how Major iOS updates works and secondly Apple is still selling the current iPod Touch in its state and there will definitely be no new model released in a few years

It will be so dumb to think Apple won’t support the 7th gen iPod Touch because of its 4 inch screen and still sell it like that with only the initial OS and iOS 13

it will get iOS 14 along the SE, which is faster than even the 6S/6S plus because of less pixels/reduced screen size/less screen resolution for the A9 to handle.

 

[bluecoast]

Agree with a few others here that iOS 14 will be like 12 and focus on stability, iterative feature improvements optimisation & fixes with just a few marquee features (surely a re-designed springboard & multitasking on iPadOS?).

I suspect also that Apple wants to buy some time to combine iPadOS and Mac more too (marzipan & swiftUI).

I think that MacOS will see the most radical changes with a smaller gap between it and iPadOS than ever.

 

[fredrik9]

Betcha iOS 14 on a 6S will run about as well as iOS 9 on a 4S (which isn't very well)

I think it will run much smoother actually. iPhone 4S is simply hopelessly slow by today's standards while the 6S should run any UI without trouble.
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Agree with a few others here that iOS 14 will be like 12 and focus on stability, iterative feature improvements optimisation & fixes with just a few marquee features (surely a re-designed springboard & multitasking on iPadOS?).

I suspect also that Apple wants to buy some time to combine iPadOS and Mac more too (marzipan & swiftUI).

I think that MacOS will see the most radical changes with a smaller gap between it and iPadOS than ever.

If they redesign the springboard and multitasking on iPadOS I think they risk frustrating their customers. I mean I was a bit annoyed at the constant redesign between iOS 10-13. If they do it again, two years in a row, I don't even know if I have the energy to relearn it all. It would have to be EXTREMELY intuitive and functional if they roll out another change so quickly.

 

[compwiz1202]

so would you be happier of Apple just said "nah, you won't get the update at all" like how Android does it?

Heck even on the first OS update on flagships, it's coming soon indefinitely Bailed on GS8+ because Oreo was taking ridiculously long. At least with Apple if they say OS## coming MM/DD, it's coming then!!!

 

[lip008]

I have an iPad Air 2 with LTE. Man did I luck out. I also have a Galaxy Tab s2 for the benefits of loading local media. Both retailed at the same price but what is it...6/7 years later and Air 2 is still getting OS updates!

Even though I want a Tab s6 I would have to get it for $250 or less knowing the long term value is just not there with any Samsung product.

Even with having to nurse 16GB of storage it's wonderful. I wish the cheap iPad would get the laminated display so I have an upgrade path...in 2024 when apps probably stop working with iOS 14 or whenever Apple decides to cut it off...

 

[Marlon DLTH :)]

Agree with a few others here that iOS 14 will be like 12 and focus on stability, iterative feature improvements optimisation & fixes with just a few marquee features

yes

Inside Apple’s iPhone Software Shakeup After Buggy iOS 13 Debut

Software chief Federighi is overhauling development and testing of iOS 14 to make it easier to spot problems early.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[bluecoast]

I think it will run much smoother actually. iPhone 4S is simply hopelessly slow by today's standards while the 6S should run any UI without trouble.
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If they redesign the springboard and multitasking on iPadOS I think they risk frustrating their customers. I mean I was a bit annoyed at the constant redesign between iOS 10-13. If they do it again, two years in a row, I don't even know if I have the energy to relearn it all. It would have to be EXTREMELY intuitive and functional if they roll out another change so quickly.

I guess making multitasking easier to understand for mere mortals

And by a springboard redesign - I mean (for those that want it) widgets she better icon app grouping and control. You know, the same things that people have wanted for the last 6-7 years!

 

[MacBH928]

This sounds like a chicken and egg thing. I personally don’t believe Apple ever had a planned obsolescence agenda. Accidental obsolescence maybe, but not planned.

Everything is glued together and made impossible to fix or repair or upgrade and you can't downgrade AFAIK, so if you don't like the new OS, tough. I say this is "planned". I had an older macbook that I exchanged its battery, RAM, and HDD and it gave it many more years of life. If it was one of those newer soldered ones, it would have gone to the trash.

Apple has been supporting iPhones for 4+ years for each model since the iPhone 3GS, what are you talking about?

In the past they let you upgrade your iOS but then you face performance degrades leading you to feel your device is old and you need to upgrade. With iOS 13, my older device runs just as fast or maybe faster than iOS 12 and maybe more stable.

 

[farewelwilliams]

In the past they let you upgrade your iOS but then you face performance degrades leading you to feel your device is old and you need to upgrade. With iOS 13, my older device runs just as fast or maybe faster than iOS 12 and maybe more stable.

In the past, Apple gave us, notably, Snow Leopard which just provided noticeably huge performance boost across the board. iOS 12 improved performance on the GPU by 20% and improved app launch performance compared to iOS 11

iOS 9 -> iOS 10 summary: "You won't lose performance, in fact you gain additional storage and faster closing of apps"

iOS 8 -> iOS 9: wifi and browsing performance improvements

iOS 7 vs 8 vs 9 vs 10 vs 11 on iPhone 5S. Your thesis should suggest that iOS 11 is slowest in all areas of tests, right? Turns out, iOS 11 is rarely last. Exception is in third party apps but that's because iOS 11 third party apps were running the latest versions while Snapchat on iOS 7 for example was running an older version (meaning less features and analytics running).

The fact that Apple has done things like Snow Leopard where performance was rock solid compared to previous versions, the fact that iOS 11 runs generally faster than iOS 8/9/10, the fact that iOS 12 runs faster than iOS 11 in some areas, and the fact that iOS 13 across the board runs faster than the last few versions highly suggests that there is no planned obsolescence.

If Apple really wanted to do planned obsolescence, they would simply stop supporting older hardware earlier. That is a less risky way of doing it. It's quite ridiculous to say that executives take the time to tell the engineers "hey, sprinkle some slower performing code here and there so that we can sell more devices" while every iOS release generally has huge bugs in them. Executives and engineers have better things to do than to figure how to intentionally slow devices down to sell more. They would rather spend time trying to stabilize the release so that every blog can stop writing at how bad these releases are getting.

 

[Wolfpup]

I’m guessing they’ll dump the Air 2, as they’ve never supported a device more than 6 years, although I don’t know how they justify that since it should run ios14. Until they dump other 2GB devices, I don’t really see how it’s justifiable, and considering they‘Re still selling 2GB devices...

 

[fredrik9]

I guess making multitasking easier to understand for mere mortals

And by a springboard redesign - I mean (for those that want it) widgets she better icon app grouping and control. You know, the same things that people have wanted for the last 6-7 years!

Yeah better grouping control would be very welcome! But changes to how you multitask... I'm not so sure they can change that again, at least not this year.
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I’m guessing they’ll dump the Air 2, as they’ve never supported a device more than 6 years, although I don’t know how they justify that since it should run ios14. Until they dump other 2GB devices, I don’t really see how it’s justifiable, and considering they‘Re still selling 2GB devices...

They formally don't support for example the iPad Air 1 now but they still release security fixes for iOS 12 so technically they are still supporting 7 year old devices! Remember also that the Air 1 only has 1GB of RAM😱

 

[Piplodocus]

I'm pleased as after a replacement battery 6 months ago, my 6S is still working great. When it does finally get replaced I'll happily pass it on to a a friend too presuming it's still working. But when it does stop getting new iOS version support (and stops gaining new features), how long will it likely continue to get security updates for?

My MacBook is too old for the latest MacOS versions, but it still seems to get security updates as far as I can tell. I definitely don't need to scrap something that works perfectly still, just because it doesn't run the latest bells and whistles, but obviously if something becomes a security liability that's a whole other issue.

 

[Locke Cole]

Wouldn't be surprised at all if the 6s and SE (1st Gen) will actually get iOS 14. The jump from the A8 to A9 was quite a significant one (certainly more so than the jump from A9 to A10) as some posters have already mentioned. The 6s and SE are still fairly fast (SE actually very slightly faster than the 6s) and in real life usage both are only slightly slower than the 11. Their battery lives are alright, especially the SE's. Definitely usable.

Ultimately, we'll find out for sure which iOS devices will get iOS 14 on the 22nd.

 

[IT Repair Queen ?]

My iPhone 8 continues to be relevant, woo!


As someone with a 2010 iMac: it sucks to not have any more OS updates and slowly lose app updates due to them needing Mojave or newer.

There are ways around not getting the updates for older models. They have to meet certain specs and you have to be somewhat tech savvy, but it’s not rocket science and worth it to save the money!

 

[Homme]

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[Homme]

I don't believe this since recent Xcode update removed 4" devices from Simulator presets. We'll see in 3 weeks on WWDC whether or not 2016 SE is on its last year of hard carry

And your wrong

also with all the rumor mill that iOS is being rebranded as iPhone OS and that iPod Touch is included in that OS too

yep.. your wrong

 

[Jxdawg]

And your wrong

also with all the rumor mill that iOS is being rebranded as iPhone OS and that iPod Touch is included in that OS too

yep.. your wrong

Source for that picture?

I know Prosser confirmed this morning that iOS would be rebranded iPhoneOS.

 

[Homme]

Source for that picture?

I know Prosser confirmed this morning that iOS would be rebranded iPhoneOS.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1273673983213424641

someone snapped that shot before Apple took it down

 

[Jxdawg]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1273673983213424641

someone snapped that shot before Apple took it down

Thanks. It makes sense to me, being a stability update and all.