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So Apple offering an opt-out because Apps don't declare that they are tracking you is anti-competitive?
 
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I hope so. Completely blocking tracking, such that ad networks can't get any info about users at all, will only kill the quality of ads (you'll just get junk ads rather than for products that might actually be relevant for you), and thus kill revenue for a lot of independent app developers.

But at the same time, users absolutely have a right to privacy and to not be individually tracked between apps and websites.

There must be a technical middle ground that respects both goals.

I'm consistently amazed that companies think I give a damn about the "quality" of ads I see or how targeted they are at me. I do everything I can to not look at ads so it doesn't much matter what they're for.
 
WTH? In France of all places? France is part of the EU which has some of the strictest privacy laws in the world (hello GDPR?). This feature that Apple will grant will provide even more privacy protections. Doesn't make sense to me other than "money talks".
 
Thats the same BS argument so many make yet you don't live in the world of making apps so you just don't know.

I don't care how good the app is, if it can't make it TODAY as a paid only app it won't make it ever as a paid only app.

Found the developer. Lol
 
Also I really wish everyone would stop linking to WSJ articles until they start allowing some amount of free articles. It's absurd that you can't read one single story without subscribing.
 
"We've been creeping around the cracks in your baseboards and crawling behind your walls and slithering in your attic for years spying on you without you knowing and without your consent. How dare you fumigate your home to get rid of us. How dare you!"
 
The developer of the app is not getting any of that information or the one collecting the information passing it on to the ad network 99.9% of the time.

The ad network is the one tracking you, so going to the ad networks themselves and getting them to change how they do business with your information is something that should be done also not just punishing some developer who is just trying to earn a living.

That's a ridiculous semantic. If someone breaks into your house steals your things and then passes them on to a fence for money, they are completely innocent? After all, they're not the one who is making use of your items, they're just passing them on to the real criminal network. Why should we punish some street-level robber who's just trying to earn a living?
 
I hope so. Completely blocking tracking, such that ad networks can't get any info about users at all, will only kill the quality of ads (you'll just get junk ads rather than for products that might actually be relevant for you), and thus kill revenue for a lot of independent app developers.

But at the same time, users absolutely have a right to privacy and to not be individually tracked between apps and websites.

There must be a technical middle ground that respects both goals.
Yes, there is a middle ground.
I want to monetize MY data.
If I turn the option to track me, then every app and web site I use must pay ME. Then I can buy a new iphone every year for pennies on the dollar :)
 
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Apple said that its own data collection doesn't count as tracking because it doesn't share the data with other companies.

I suppose that that means it’s not stalking either, so long as I don’t post about your activities.
 
I am quite happy to pay for a product that does not have any ads or tracking. If the iPhone costs an extra £50 or whatever and is fully locked down to show no ads and allow zero tracking, then I will pay it without thinking.
 
And yet because of the EU we have to click on stupid cookie acceptance policies (and as a developer I have to implement them). Meanwhile advertisers don't even care about that as they mine our data from our devices directly. Get with the times, EU! Apple is correct here.
This is France - not an EU directive
 


Starting early next year, iOS 14 will require apps to get opt-in permission from users to collect their random advertising identifier, which advertisers use to deliver personalized ads and track how effective their campaigns were.

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Ahead of this change, The Wall Street Journal reports that advertising companies and publishers have filed a complaint against Apple with France's competition authority, arguing that the enhanced privacy measures would be anticompetitive.

According to the report, the complaint alleges that the wording of Apple's permission prompt will lead most users to decline tracking of their device's advertising identifier, which could result in lost revenue. In August, Facebook warned advertisers that the prompt could lead to a more than 50 percent drop in Audience Network publisher revenue.

In a statement, Apple reiterated its belief that "privacy is a fundamental right," adding that "a user's data belongs to them and they should get to decide whether to share their data and with whom." Apple said that its own data collection doesn't count as tracking because it doesn't share the data with other companies.

Apple already delayed the introduction of the prompt until early 2021 to provide developers with more time to make the necessary changes. In a statement in September, Apple said the prompt will be displayed on an app-by-app basis:In the meantime, users who do not want apps to be able to access their device's advertising identifier can go to Settings > Privacy > Tracking and toggle off Allow Apps to Request to Track.

Apple's developer website offers more information about the upcoming prompt.

Note: Due to the political or social nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Political News forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: iOS 14's Upcoming Anti-Tracking Prompt Sparks Antitrust Complaint in France
Wow...trouble pleasing the EU....shouldn't the decision as to how this is approached be left in the hands of the owner of the phone and NO ONE ELSE? Hate hypocrisy.
 
I hope so. Completely blocking tracking, such that ad networks can't get any info about users at all, will only kill the quality of ads (you'll just get junk ads rather than for products that might actually be relevant for you), and thus kill revenue for a lot of independent app developers.

But at the same time, users absolutely have a right to privacy and to not be individually tracked between apps and websites.

There must be a technical middle ground that respects both goals.
Why? Should there be a 'middle ground' as to how you choose to lock your doors? NO...this should Totally be up to the user...in a real world where 'words ' have 'real meanings' there wouldn't even be a debate. I shouldn't need to 'respect your or anyones """"goals""""' ' concerning MY PROPERTY and MY PRIVACY!
 
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It's anticompetitive because it puts Apple in a privileged position compared to other apps and networks. Apple has access to your demographic info and knows what apps you use, and won't have to display these prompts (or respect them!) in its own apps.

That said, it's a weaker argument than with Google, because Apple itself isn't primarily an advertising network (except for App Store ads) and thus isn't directly competing with the ad networks it's crippling.
No....WE choose to place Apple in the position it finds itself in as WE purchase their products and software KNOWING what the 'deal' IS....unlike the situation with the complainers/advertisers. This is CHOSEN by the BUYER who should have the LAST SAY!
 
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I really believe this feature will never be added to iOS 14. The first half of 2021 will come and go. When we get to WWDC 2021 I think, Apple will come up with something different to limit tracking more but not outright block it if someone says no.
Prepare to be disappointed because it is coming whether you like it or not. And if you think you are going to develop a “free” app where you make money on tracking then I guess the app will really be free to the end user. As a consumer I am sick and tried of this backdoor tracking that takes place with software. My data is private unless I choose to share it. That is the part that you seem to not want to acknowledge.
 
I really hope Apple stands firm with this. I know they delayed the implementation into next year. But they have to keep this in a future iOS 14 release. It is not anti-competitive to give users the ability to not track them without their permission. I almost feel like those companies should be countersued for violating privacy laws (if there are any).
 
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