iOS 15 Adoption Lower Than iOS 14 Over First Two Days, Says Mixpanel

[Woochifer]

This!!!
People, other than people who read tech news blogs (a tiny tiny Minority), people who understand What CSAM hash matching is (an even smaller Minority), or people who are actually scared of their phone spying on them care about it.
99% of consumers just wait for their phones to update themselves, or notify them that there’s an update available, and this year it’s not doing that.
The CSAM matching isn’t something that the majority of people will ever concern themselves with because either they’ve never heard about it, they heard about it and just didn’t care, or they heard about it, thought about it for 20 seconds, and then completely forgot about it.
As I pointed out earlier in this thread, the soccer moms, grandpa‘s and TikTok teens who are The extreme vast majority of users of the iPhone simply do not know and do not care about that particular update.
Now down the road when Apple starts pushing out iOS 15.1 and advertising it to people and auto upgrading phones once more features become available, that’s when we will see the install base numbers rise.
But CSAM has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that iOS 14 was installed on more devices in 48 hours than iOS 15.

Considering that the majority of smartphone owners already willingly (if not knowingly) give away their privacy via the apps they download (cough ... cough ... Facebook ... cough ... cough). CSAM is probably not an issue to a majority of iPhone users, if they're even aware of that feature to begin with. (if you're talking about soccer moms and grandparents, a lot of them might actually want CSAM)

Way down on the list of reasons why uptake on iOS 15 is lagging AFTER TWO LONG DAYS.

I haven't been nagged to install it, even when backing up my phone via Finder. Whereas with past updates, I would start getting the iOS update notifications EVERY TIME I backed up my phone starting on the first day.

 

[Momof2.1107]

I doubt I’m missing anything worth upgrading for, and you’re talking to a person whose iPhone 12 Pro Max.... is still on 14.1.

 

[matrix07]

I still haven't upgraded to 15 because it said the space is low and I have to use my Mac for an upgrade.

This is the first time this happens 😳

 

[Palliser]

Is this message from two years ago?

Same message, just two years later I suppose.

 

[Nermal]

I’m actually repulsed. I hate the new Safari. It is a UX disaster. I wish I had not upgraded to iOS 15.

Submit feedback if you haven't already. I haven't tried iOS, but I installed Safari 15 on my Mac and it's a disaster there too; the active tab is dark grey and looks like it's disabled, and the favourites bar jumps around the screen as you open and close tabs. What was wrong with the old way? Why are we forced into a new UI to get security updates?

 

[turbineseaplane]

What was wrong with the old way?

Nothing at all

Why are we forced into a new UI to get security updates?

Great question. I hate this way of forcing this stuff on us all.

 

[aWaldo]

this is happening mostly cause this time around they aren't really forcing anyone to upgrade to iOS 15 like the prior years

I agree with this. There may also be the possibility that they won't push iOS 15 as hard until they release 15.1... I know a lot of people who hold off until more of the bugs are out and/or more features are improved.

 

[Tech198]

Two days ? How can anyone measure anyting over that period... Just wait a few weeks then do that again People will be kicking themselves

 

[ajfahey]

I updated my equipment because I’m a bit of a risk taker. The problem with this release is that there really isn’t very much compelling about it and of late, software quality at Apple have been slipping. Those two facts jack up the cost/benefit ratio and people respond by delaying adoption until the bugs are fully squashed. People will convert. It will just take longer.

 

[JaydenA]

I will hold off updating my phone, ipad, watch, and MBP until I see what the final stance with on-device file scanning is.

Minority-report-like scanning a private device for law enforcement purposes is something I can't ever agree with.

 

[Scoob Redux]

Are preorders ever not off to a 'promising start'?

We dont really know what that means, only Apple does.

That's what I thought. "Promising start" actually sounds quite unenthusiastic. Like, "We havent sold many, but I'm sure we will..."

 

[one more]

Submit feedback if you haven't already. I haven't tried iOS, but I installed Safari 15 on my Mac and it's a disaster there too; the active tab is dark grey and looks like it's disabled, and the favourites bar jumps around the screen as you open and close tabs. What was wrong with the old way? Why are we forced into a new UI to get security updates?

Well, this time Apple are actually less pushy with their own updates. On Big Sur, for example, Safari 15 is a separate update (can be unchecked in the list) and they actually make it harder for people to update to iOS 15 for some reason, as all iOS/iPadOS devices running iOS 14.8 will not be nagging you to update, as before.

 

[vgmrm]

iOS 13 and iOS 14 had enough bugs when they were released, this time I'm waiting a bit. Tired of having to deal with their buggy initial release. Nothing that I'm super excited about anyways making me want to take that chance.

The versions of the mac systems go like crabs, they get worse with each version.

 

[MuppetGate]

This is a strange move for Apple. Not sure why they are doing this.

Another possibility is that they’re perhaps not as confident that this release will be trouble-free as they have been in the past.

 

[anson42]

Some of us are getting new phones starting Friday. Why bother updating to iOS 15 for just a couple days when the new device will come with it?

 

[incoherent_1]

Honestly, if you put a gun to my head last week, I couldn’t tell you a single new feature that’s available Day 1. And I watched the Keynote back in June — it was just that the iOS portion was impressively forgettable.

 

[the8thark]

Not many new features and CSAM privacy concerns-- sounds about right.

Agreed. I know many people (small sample size but still) who are very hesitant to move to iOS 15 for the (lack of) privacy concerns.

 

[the8thark]

Did everyone forget that Apple said they would continue to support iOS 14 with security updates after iOS 15 was released?

Everyone did not forget. People now realise that Apple is not as good and trustworthy on security as it used to be.

 

[the8thark]

Has anyone read all the new Terms and Conditions that are required with the 15 update? I did....maybe that has something to do with the new "non-traditional" update. Security has always been important to Apple but the language in the T&C's has changed. Some of the new features certainly provide points of debate for security. Interested in lawyers comments...The Vaccine ID in 15.1....why not in 15?

My guess is people really look deeply into major updates. Like 14 to 15. But for point updates like 15 to 15.1 people just automatically do it and that is when Apple can sneek in unwanted and allegedly discriminatory features (like the spyware CSAM, vaccine IDs etc etc.

It also means Apple does not have to announce them at the iOS keynote as it's not a major feature coming to iOS< it's just a minor point update feature. Apple purposely not advertising these controversial features and using whatever tricks they can to get away with it. This is why Tim hates leakers. Apple trying to sneak in controversial features (like CSAM) is getting leaked and exposed.

 

[KrisBv1]

No one is getting notifications to update. 5 people I know had to do it manually even with auto updates. Some didn't even get the push notification for 14.8.

 

[Mr_Ed]

My older relatives all basically refuse to update (they are still on iOS 13) because they don't like "stuff changing how it works or where it's at, etc".

I don't blame them.
For a huge portion of "normal" users, so much of it is always just rearranging the deck chairs.

These are folks not looking for new ways to "multi-task", nor have Safari get all f'ed up for no tangible reason other than "why not!?"

Apple really needs to stop screwing with things just for the hell of it.

Agreed! It’s not just older relatives. Over the years my wife has grown frustrated with the “small changes“ she encounters following an OS update. These changes are inevitably discovered at the worst possible time, when you are trying to get something useful done and lo and behold, the way you did it las time does not work, or the feature you are trying to use has been moved. The only reason I endure such moments less frequently is that I spend more time than she does reading up on the features, but I also encounter these situations.

My own impression is that Apple used to do a much better job of implementing user-facing features in an intuitive way. “Intuitive” is by no means an absolute term, but I really believe they used to at least try to prioritize this and do a much better job of making things feel intuitive to the vast majority of users. Now it looks like they just haphazardly change things hoping some of the changes will catch on or garner some level of praise from users, instead of really studying how most people actually try to use the devices.

 

[Fat_Guy]

I doubt I’m missing anything worth upgrading for, and you’re talking to a person whose iPhone 12 Pro Max.... is still on 14.1.

Don’t upgrade!


The banner to upgrade stinks of legality on Apple's part. Has anyone upgraded automatically on iOS 15. Can you down grade a new phone to iOS 14.8? If I got a new phone I would read the agreement section very carefully now.


It used to be you had to go to a judge and get a search warrant to look for evidence to lay a charge. Maybe Apple lawyers got nervous after all the objections and figured there maybe some legal jeopardy for them unless the user actually had to deliberately click on the link and read the banner to download the scanning iOS.


The whole things stinks and I’m glad I’m stuck on iOS 14.7.1. But the mechanism was probably there from 14.3 which means that you Stacy may end up here with the most privacy. You can’t even get 14.7.1 anymore as Apple stopped signing it.


Again, don’t upgrade!

 

[Piplodocus]

Only reason I haven't upgraded yet is my 6S just keeps coming up with an error on install and haven't got around to trying iTunes install and/or clearing more junk off first (although got new iPadOS on last years Pro no probs). Could also be something to do with my lightning port being half buggered and only liking certain cables these days too I guess, if the install thinks the hardware is faulty. 😕

Why's so many people angry with the new Safari? Can't you just change it back to old behaviour with a couple of settings rather than skip the whole OS version? Or is there some other annoyance other than the tabs/bar at the bottom thing? I haven't tried it to be honest, but I'll be sure to give it a good few weeks of test run before I decide I don't like it and toggle it old style. I figure sure, it'll be weird to adapt to based on muscle memory, but so was when trackpads got natural scrolling direction a few years back. Confused for a few weeks, but now seems normal, better, and weird the other way. I gotta be open minded and try new stuff before I decide I definitely don't like it. 🤷‍♂️

I'm generally not gonna complain I'm getting new features for free, especially since this time around they're continuing updates to iOS 14 too, so not forced onto 15. Didn't they delay the CSAM stuff anyway some people still seem angry about them implementing? Or did they add it anyway and it is in iOS 15.0? I'm neither a paedophile, nor currently living in a repressive regime, so much as I'm not keen on the change of direction longer term, I'd ironically take it for a new Memoji haircut that actually looks like mine for now 🤣. If I decide to move to a country with an oppressive regime I could turn off photo stream if I was that bothered, but who's servers am I gonna put all my photo on then, who don't scan them anyway and have better privacy?

I presume the hardware in the 6S is too slow for the live text that's looking a pretty killer new OS feature. Would still be good to have my 6S be able to easily find all those links people sent me I forgot about easily though, and some other very nice tweaks that generally improve usability that the hardware will support. This thing's 6 years old and still getting new features for the princely sum of £0.00, so you'll get little bitching out of me! 🤷‍♂️

 

[svish]

Installed base will surely increase in the near future. I am personally waiting a bit longer before updating my iPhone. My 12 Pro Max had terrible standby battery drain which was somehow fixed. Will update to 15 only after the initial issues are ironed out.

 

[Ifti]

A lot of people want the new experience with the new handset too - I reckon adoption rate will rocket up when the iPhone 13's fly out from tomorrow.....