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Because that is impractical when you are planning a special route. Here’s an example; let’s say you’re out cruising on your motorcycle or out in your convertible with the top down. You’re having fun on the back roads, you have an idea of the route you want to take, but the GPS is constantly fighting with you trying to get you on the interstate.

Waypoints make that super easy.

So….where are the way points coming from?

You are telling the map where you want to go. YOU enter all of the waypoints.

Just tell Apple Maps to go to the first waypoint. When you arrive, tell it to go to the second waypoint and so on. Is that really so difficult?
 
So….where are the way points coming from?

You are telling the map where you want to go. YOU enter all of the waypoints.

Just tell Apple Maps to go to the first waypoint. When you arrive, tell it to go to the second waypoint and so on. Is that really so difficult?
You set your routes up ahead of time. It’s completely impractical to do what you’re suggesting during a ride/drive.

I get you don’t understand waypoints. If you don’t ride/cruise/adventure you aren’t going to. It’s a simple request, Apple refuses to add it for what ever stupid reason they have, and it reduces the number of people that use maps. That’s all you need to know. Why do you want Apple Maps to remain stagnant?
 
Anyone can put lipstick on a pig. I mean, what’s the point if the app still can’t reliably and efficiently deliver you to your destination?
 
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You set your routes up ahead of time. It’s completely impractical to do what you’re suggesting during a ride/drive.

I get you don’t understand waypoints. If you don’t ride/cruise/adventure you aren’t going to. It’s a simple request, Apple refuses to add it for what ever stupid reason they have, and it reduces the number of people that use maps. That’s all you need to know. Why do you want Apple Maps to remain stagnant?

I understand them perfectly fine. I’m providing a perfectly acceptable option with the current map. You can easily select waypoints ahead of time and they will come up in “destinations” in the app to select after you have started your trip.

You will not see them in Maps as a single trip option until Apple adds the ability to have a web-based version accessible by all users, or at a minimum, a Windows App.
 
To all those who defend apple maps, I am wondering if they have actually used them in countries like Spain, Italy, Greece, France, Turkey ,China, UAE because my experience is that they compare nowhere to Google maps. And I am not discussing major cities here. Sure Apple maps work in most european capitals (no proper POI) but pretty much that's it.

Even basic things are a disaster. For example I have a list of saved favorites but in order to access my list, I have to scroll through huge icons of forced Editor's picks that have nothing to do with my interest or places I wanna go.. And I can't even deactivate them ! Why should I have to scroll through the best beaches in the United States, or the Yunque forest! that is being forced among the search bar and my favorites???
Not sure where you are in Europe, but I’ve been using Apple Maps in France and Germany and it works great in the car.
I’ve been comparing it with Waze and Google Maps and I always find myself reverting back to Apple. I have found the traffic to be spot on and also warnings such as hazards on the road even environmental permit requirements. Only time I use Google these days is basically as a phone book/directory and street view to get an idea of the place I’m going. And not to mention transit directions in major cities is great, only app I’ve found better than Apple Maps is CityMapper.
 
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POI in Germany are still not great. Less complete and less up-to-date than in Google Maps.

It’s also still missing bike paths.

Other than that, it’s OK.
 
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Not sure where you are in Europe, but I’ve been using Apple Maps in France and Germany and it works great in the car.
I’ve been comparing it with Waze and Google Maps and I always find myself reverting back to Apple. I have found the traffic to be spot on and also warnings such as hazards on the road even environmental permit requirements. Only time I use Google these days is basically as a phone book/directory and street view to get an idea of the place I’m going. And not to mention transit directions in major cities is great, only app I’ve found better than Apple Maps is CityMapper.
I respect your personal opinion but I also use Apple maps a lot in Germany. Without the intention to have a debate I will mention a few points that I believe make apple maps almost "a bad product" compared to google maps.

In google maps I have hundreds of favorites which are super easy to manage. It is impossible to do the same in Apple maps.

How do you cope with the fact that in Apple maps in order to access your favorites you have to scroll through editor picks that are totally irrelevant to your preferences? (that actually reminds me of apple music where I am forced to listen to RAP and Hip Hop when my preference is classical music !!!) I can't even deactivate them!! I am really not interested to be updated to Apple's Favorite Wine bars today.

As others have mentioned here, waypoints are super easy to use and I use them all the time. This trick in Apple maps with the destinations for anyone who travels a lot is simply a mess. I tried it many times, even looked up a youtube video and I gave up. Google does it better. I am sorry. I want to set 5-6 points before I start some of my routes and I need to know the total time it will take me, before I even start my trip!

Even basic things like parking location doesn't properly exist in Apple maps. Let me explain. In Google I can click on my location and set it as parking location. In Apple maps, you need to use another trick. The Pins which is not the same. Even the name is not intuitive. Of course later on when you pick up you car you need to manually delete the pin from apple maps, when Google removes it automatically!! Sure apple maps has parking location IF your car is compatible, but my second car isn't, neither my car rentals during my trips!!! In my last trip in Crete, I parked my rental car literally in the middle of nowhere. Google would guide me right back! Out of curiosity I tried to use apple maps for the same task and it send me to a place a "bit farther away" because due to the lack of (set as parking location) I had to use a pin which wasn't a very accurate procedure apparently.

Another issue. There are many times I am in front of my windows laptop and I need to search something in my favorites.. How do I access them? I also have a second phone which is an android. How do I access my favorites? Having access to something that basic like my favorite locations I kinda find it important. In my favorites I have a list of professional addresses, doctor offices, not only restaurants or shopping stores.

Even sharing a location in maps (not necessarily my location) google's solution is super elegant with those super short codes they create instead of a long link.

Without getting into many details here, I understand you are in Germany ? apple maps fails to guide properly to one clinic that i know in Germany that is quite busy. You need to put the address manually where Google maps simply by typing the name of the clinic will show it on the screen right away. The convenience is simply amazing. I had mentioned the problem here in the forum a long time ago and I was told to report it to apple. I did and it was waste of time.

Another thing is that apple maps may work in some cities but I really dont want to bother finding out each time if it works or not.. With Google I know pretty much wherever I am it simply works.

This is my personal experience.. I am a tech fan and I like trying new things (can be apple,windows doesnt matter) but I tried apple maps so many times that I reached the point that the narrative that " this time they did it right " is not enough anymore. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel that people who love apple will actually force themselves to use a half-baked product, even if that means they need to need to find "tricks" or workarounds to do straight forward things that Google (or the competition) does for years.

Thanks a lot
 
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Can’t you look at the road signs? Don’t you know what the general limits are in your country? I would quite like the speed limits on the map also, but let’s not over state its importance by proclaiming ‘road safety’. Drive properly and look at road signs for that.
Actually about 10,000 americans die each year because a driver thiught they were not travelling too fast for the conditions. Obeying speed limits would take a big slice out of these deaths. All I am saying is that drivers who want to drive within speed limts should have the digital assistance to do this. Apple Mpa is an obvious avenue for this.
 
And has been stated in these threads a thousand times, who ever disagrees with that? That is why Google, Waze and a dozen other mapping apps are available on iOS.

Btw…people in Spain may disagree moving forward now that they have new Maps. ;)
Consumers outside of the US expect this because they also pay for it, obviously. Even if it does get rolled out eventually, the slow pace at which they do it is pretty staggering.

In most places outside of the US, Apple products cost WAY more, and in exchange offer WAY less, because of the company's intense focus on the US. A new iPhone 12 starts at 699 USD in the US, but 954 (!) USD in Belgium (809 EUR). And for that you get a less functional product.

It's really annoying sometimes watching keynotes and Apple hyping features or products that you know could take several years to finally get rolled out in your own region (Siri, HomePod, predictive typing, relevant Apple Maps features, Apple Pay, ...), if even ever at all. We're not talking about remote islands in the Pacific here, but Europe.
 
Actually about 10,000 americans die each year because a driver thiught they were not travelling too fast for the conditions. Obeying speed limits would take a big slice out of these deaths. All I am saying is that drivers who want to drive within speed limts should have the digital assistance to do this. Apple Mpa is an obvious avenue for this.

I don’t know a single American that died because they thought the speed limit was faster than they were driving.

Do you know why? Because they died and they can’t tell us.

I’m sure your statistic includes anyone who was speeding for any reason. Whether drunk, high on drugs, or simply just speeding because they wanted to. No app is going to stop anyone who wants to speed from speeding and claiming such a thing as you did is ridiculous.

It’s okay to say you want the current speed and a warning on the app without trying to tie that to unfortunate deaths that had nothing to do with what you want.
 
I’m not sure how many people know this, but there is already a globe view in iOS 14. It only exists in the “Find My” app, and only when you are in “Satellite” mode. But it is really fun to play with, and I love the night / day views of the earth. And apple is so good at the little details … you can see the stars around the globe move as you rotate the earth.
 
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Actually about 10,000 americans die each year because a driver thiught they were not travelling too fast for the conditions. Obeying speed limits would take a big slice out of these deaths. All I am saying is that drivers who want to drive within speed limts should have the digital assistance to do this. Apple Mpa is an obvious avenue for this.
That potentially says a lot more about Americans that you imagine.
I assume, in the USA, there are ‘standard’ speed limits. A motorway upper limit, and dual carriageway upper limit, an upper limit for A roads, an upper limit for built up areas.. etc. (Obviously whatever the road types are called there).
In the UK this is 70, 70/60, 60, 30. I mean, there are slight variations depending on where you are - a big multi lane road though a city may be 50 not 30, even though it’s a built up area, but still. Everyone who drives knows these limits. There are signs to remind you or tell you otherwise.

To say ‘driver who want to stay in the speed limits should have digital assistance to do so’ is absurd. Just drive how you were taught, obey the rules of the road and read the signs. It’s really all there is to it. It’s certainly not the job of a navigation or mapping app on your telephone to set you right.
 
That potentially says a lot more about Americans that you imagine.
I assume, in the USA, there are ‘standard’ speed limits. A motorway upper limit, and dual carriageway upper limit, an upper limit for A roads, an upper limit for built up areas.. etc. (Obviously whatever the road types are called there).
In the UK this is 70, 70/60, 60, 30. I mean, there are slight variations depending on where you are - a big multi lane road though a city may be 50 not 30, even though it’s a built up area, but still. Everyone who drives knows these limits. There are signs to remind you or tell you otherwise.

To say ‘driver who want to stay in the speed limits should have digital assistance to do so’ is absurd. Just drive how you were taught, obey the rules of the road and read the signs. It’s really all there is to it. It’s certainly not the job of a navigation or mapping app on your telephone to set you right.
Those are made up numbers. It doesn't say anything except someone wants a digital nanny. Most of us here don't, and are perfectly capable of making numerous decisions on our own (at least for the time being). 😉
 
Count me among those that want waypoints. If I'm planning a multi-stage outing and I already know the stages, it means something to me to know before I leave how long it might take. But also each stage has multiple options that Maps offers...it's nice to have gone through that part of planning in advance.

I love Apple Maps, I think it does a fine job, and I try not to use Google day-to-day so I don't consider Google Maps a substitute for that reason. I like the look of these improvements...but this missing piece is something that has existed for years on other platforms. Google has it, sure, but others have also had it from the very beginning. MAPQUEST had it (remember them?). I would be reasonably pleased with having it on Maps on Mac OS: plan out the route on my iMac and send it to the phone. Not perfect, but doable.

Heck, on Google Maps on my Mac I can just grab the route and drag it to anywhere to reshape it. I can do that on RideWithGPS for goodness' sake, but not on Apple Maps on the Mac. This has been a disappointment for years.

I also agree with those rolling their eyes at Apple touting features that only work in limited cities. It does make me feel left out. I live near Minneapolis, and I don't consider that a small town...but it takes forever for features to hit our area. For goodness' sake, look up lists of the most bike-friendly cities in the US and you'll find Minneapolis on most of them...why are bike directions not available here?

(Though I am not a commuter, I like to plan weekend bike outings. So for the feature to be worthwhile to me I'd need both bike compatibility and the ability to craft a route of my own. I can do both on Google Maps and have been able to do so for years. It's one of the few things I still turn to Google for.)

This is all a shame. I like Apple Maps. I've only very rarely had a problem where it couldn't handle finding something or getting directions, even way back at the beginning. But these kinds of things have been pain points for some time.
 
I don’t know a single American that died because they thought the speed limit was faster than they were driving.

Do you know why? Because they died and they can’t tell us.

I’m sure your statistic includes anyone who was speeding for any reason. Whether drunk, high on drugs, or simply just speeding because they wanted to. No app is going to stop anyone who wants to speed from speeding and claiming such a thing as you did is ridiculous.

It’s okay to say you want the current speed and a warning on the app without trying to tie that to unfortunate deaths that had nothing to do with what you want.
See https://www-esv.nhtsa.dot.gov/Proceedings/26/26ESV-000097.pdf
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for the remarkable benefits predicted (and observed in Europe) for speed assistance systems
 

Neither of these reports make any mention of having speed data assistance in a mapping app…you’re making quite a leap there.

The USA report is simply using built in car data gathered from the onboard computer to analyze speed data as a factor in crashes. No conclusions whatsoever on whether or not people knowing they were or weren’t speeding would have any effect on the accident itself. No mention if they were going 1 mph over the speed limit or 20 mph (or even an average percentage of increased speed), just that speed was ONE factor in the accident bat less than 10 mph over or more than 10 mph over. And while speeding may have been present, no conclusions on whether or not that even affected the accident as some could have been unavoidable even if the speed limit was followed (getting side swiped by another car, hitting an animal, etc. ) From the report, "it should not be assumed that the elimination of speeding would result in a reduction in crashes that is equivalent to the percentage of vehicles speeding."

The whole report (weirdly done by Aussies) was simply a paper to show that current methods of determining the effect of speeding on accident recording isn't very good an should be looked at again. The conclusion is that speeding may have more of an effect on crashes than previously determined, but that has nothing to do with what affect people's awareness of speeding may have or if they even care.

The European report is also referring to in car speed data, but more as a tool to control or regulate speeding outside of the user’s control. Makes sense with a self-driving car or even adaptive cruise control (which I use and LOVE), but damn, if you think I’m going to let a government agency prevent my car from “speeding” when I feel it is more than safe to do so, you’re crazy…because that is what they suggest as a possible option…a very advanced limiter for cars. Putting the data in the car or letting it “read” signs to control the speed for you. No thanks.

And no, I don’t consider myself a “reckless” driver that races around neighborhoods where kids are playing.

If they keep adding night vision and additional sensor technology to make it safer to go at higher speeds while avoiding animals, pedestrians, other cars, etc. then fine. That’s a move to allow folks to actually go faster more efficiently/safely.

And maybe I’m cynical, but usually when I see some sort of gathering like the EU one pushing for added technology like this for every single car, I assume there is some company behind it that makes the sensors to do this leading the charge…for sales of a product, not necessarily for safety reasons alone. (EDIT: It looks as though one group of presenters were from the companies that provide the technology/hardware to make this happen. "Removing the roadblocks to broader adoption by Stephen T’Siobbel, TomTom (map supplier), Yoni Epstein, MobilEye (sign recognition), Ulrich Veh, ACEA (vehicle manufacturers) and Natalie Schmid, CLEPA (automotive suppliers)"
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At the end of the day, what you are asking for is a personal preference thing. Apple, for now, has decided that it probably clutters the map too much or the data isn’t fully there to add anything more than just the speed limit sign as a reference on the screen. I happen to agree with that approach.

At most, I could see them adding some sort of glowing red ring around the speed limit sign as a visual cue that one is exceeding the posted limit, but I don’t see them adding any sort of changing speed number like Waze does….it is unnecessary clutter for MOST people, not all, that are fine using the built in speedometer in their car.

And FYI, Apple may see it as redundant anyway since most car manufacturers are adding this sort of technology to the data they provide to users since it is necessary for more self-driving features. The car will “read” the road signs or have the speed data in its system anyway and some DO actually warn you when you are speeding if you so desire.

EDIT...one interesting point/suggestion from the European group is to add the technology now and turn it on when the data is available. If that doesn't scream input from the companies selling the tech side, I'm not sure what does. "Install our tech and hardware now (and pay us now) so you can be ready to turn it on when the data catches up....we promise, you won't need to buy new hardwre or download expensive updates to make it work in the future...." ;)
 
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I guess you just can’t understand what goes into creating LookAround.
I have a pretty good idea. Drive around, take pictures, scan with lidar, take all data home, combine with some insane software.

The USA was first to be mapped and it is thought by some that Apple had to go back to re-do some streets due to changes in the technology.
A lot of Maps data comes from third parties - Tomtom provides a lot of the data.
I’m sure you are going to explain to me how Apple DOES have LookAround in 99% of Canada, Spin, Portugal, etc…
I can’t, as Apple does not have this. You prove to me that Apple have 99% LookAround coverage these places. I’m talking about all of the countries and not just a few major cities.
I can’t argue what is a very well known fact. Apple has driven every single street in every country where their own map data has been released. Look Around is different…cycling data is different…transit is different.
A very known fact? In your head maybe… and sure the mapping data is different, but from the samples I’ve done in US cities, LookAround and Cycling has been the same places. this is probably because Apple wants to record the precise height of every roads so that cycling routes can have height information and that this done with the same cars that are recording LookAround.

It really isn’t that hard to understand for most.
No it is not. But since you have to drop your debate level down like this, you’re really only showing everyone that your don’t know what you’re talking about. But you keep making excuses for Apple and their slow rollout of features.

Here is one more for you: Swipe keyboard is still restricted to a limited account of languages, while third party keyboards have had many other (all?) languages for years. And this one is pure on Apple for not being willing to go the last yard to roll out a feature to everyone.
 
I have a pretty good idea. Drive around, take pictures, scan with lidar, take all data home, combine with some insane software.


A lot of Maps data comes from third parties - Tomtom provides a lot of the data.

I can’t, as Apple does not have this. You prove to me that Apple have 99% LookAround coverage these places. I’m talking about all of the countries and not just a few major cities.

A very known fact? In your head maybe… and sure the mapping data is different, but from the samples I’ve done in US cities, LookAround and Cycling has been the same places. this is probably because Apple wants to record the precise height of every roads so that cycling routes can have height information and that this done with the same cars that are recording LookAround.


No it is not. But since you have to drop your debate level down like this, you’re really only showing everyone that your don’t know what you’re talking about. But you keep making excuses for Apple and their slow rollout of features.

Here is one more for you: Swipe keyboard is still restricted to a limited account of languages, while third party keyboards have had many other (all?) languages for years. And this one is pure on Apple for not being willing to go the last yard to roll out a feature to everyone.

I don’t know what to say…you are literally wrong on every point you are trying to make.

I don’t have to prove Maps has LookAround in the countries I listed. Anyone can open the app and see that. The fact that you would question that alone tells me all I need to know.
 
I wish Apple would add back the ability to "click" (press with finger), the upcoming direction within Maps which allowed the user to toggle spoken driving directions on and off. So often, I know where I am going and how to get there but want the constant display of the ETA only, not the constant disruption of my music or podcast. Anyone figure out how to do this in iOS 15 Maps app?
 
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I wish Apple would add back the ability to "click" (press with finger), the upcoming direction within Maps which allowed the user to toggle spoken driving directions on and off. So often, I know where I am going and how to get there but want the constant display of the ETA only, not the constant disruption of my music or podcast. Anyone figure out how to do this in iOS 15 Maps app?
It was added a few betas ago and is standard in iOS15 now.

"Alerts only" option.

Simply press on the speaker button on the map and then pick the one with the exclamation point next to it. Just note that this will remain until you press the full speaker option again. It's great for commuters or if you know where you are going and just want main alerts like traffic, hazards, etc.
 
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Is it really not possible to list one's favorites by distance from current location?? Effectively makes that list useless for practical use!
 
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