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Re: Private Relay, how will it affect the browsing speed, streaming, etc.? I would expect some lag, as it adds some extra steps between the browsing device and the server? 🤔
I guess that really depends on the speed of the FBI servers and their ability to scan and forward your browsing requests. 😉
 
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There are dozens of phone manufacturers. Only two OS.

Are there three OS?

Are there four OS?

Are there more than four OS?

That's what I thought.
Basically if customization is applied, it’s not technically the exact same functionality as another competitor. So yeah there could be dozens of o/s.
 
Basically if customization is applied, it’s not technically the exact same functionality as another competitor. So yeah there could be dozens of o/s.

No, there are two OS.

And the value of a platform is derived from the complements and applications available for that platform. So if you don't trust either Google or Apple, you have nothing to do, because any other competitor couldn't offer anything similar, due to the lack of preventive action. That's why antitrust laws exist.

Because a duopoly is a flawed market.
 
No, there are two OS.

And the value of a platform is derived from the complements and applications available for that platform. So if you don't trust either Google or Apple, you have nothing to do, because any other competitor couldn't offer anything similar, due to the lack of preventive action. That's why antitrust laws exist.

Because a duopoly is a flawed market.
I don’t agree with the premise.

The point was the if apple doesn’t meet ones requirements find a manufacturer with the functionality that does.

To my earlier point customers voted with their dollars on windows based phones.
 
I don’t agree. The point was if apple doesn’t meet ones requirements find a manufacturer with the functionality that does.

The point is, every other manufacturer uses Android.

I really don't get what's that hard to understand. When Windows Mobile was almost a thing, there were 3. Now, there are 2. Are you going to tell Microsoft there actually are dozens of mobile OS? That will come as a shock.
 
Cool, cool. Which of these privacy features prevents automated snooping of my iCloud photos?

You don't need that feature, because your iCloud photos will not be "snooped." :rolleyes: "Snoop" implies the scanning information is being monitored by or reported to humans, but it's not. Everything stays on your phone UNLESS both of these things are true: 1. Multiple CSAM images are detected on your device 2. You upload those images to iCloud.

You people are acting like there will be employees at Apple sifting through your photos. "Wow, looks like they had a great time at that party . . . Ah, their new baby is so cute . . . Oh, so they have two dogs too . . , Well, no CSAM today, we'll check again tomorrow." LOL!
 
I don’t agree with the premise.

The point was the if apple doesn’t meet ones requirements find a manufacturer with the functionality that does.

To my earlier point customers voted with their dollars on windows based phones.

The point is customers voting with dollars don't make something fair, reasonable, legal or desirable. Otherwise Tesla wouldn't exist and you could be buying Ford and GM's crappy platforms with different flavors your whole life "because it's not a duopoly" and "customers vote with their dollars" due to gigantic barriers to entry and economies of scale.

Guess what, there are more choices because foreign governments protected their industries and the US government intervened in its own industry. That didn't happen here, hence, we have a crappy duopoly.
 
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The point is customers voting with dollars don't make something fair, reasonable, legal or desirable. […]
Yes it does. The desirable part is consumer choice. The point was there was no legal barrier to entry for windows phones. That a critical mass of customers didn’t find the platform to their liking is market forces at work.
 
While scanning is done on-device, the flagging is not done until an image is stored in iCloud Photos
Every device which downloads iOS 15 will be forced to comply with Apple's scanning. Only choice is to not upgrade your device. Tim Cook is so hypocritical. Apple spends so much time espousing all of its PRIVACY features like iCloud Private Relay and "Mail Privacy Protection" then pulls this backdoor snooping BS. I'm tired of TC talking out of both sides of his mouth. Maybe TC is posturing to avoid Fed coming down with heavy new regulation of big tech.
 
Yes it does. The desirable part is consumer choice. The point was there was no legal barrier to entry for windows phones. That a critical mass of customers didn’t find the platform to their liking is market forces at work.

There was a de facto gigantic barrier to entry, so much so that not even Microsoft was able to overcome it. That's why antitrust laws exist. Otherwise they wouldn't be necessary as far as you don't create pro trust laws.

In case you haven't noticed, big tech is a monopolistic ever expanding force based on its economies of scale and the value of the ecosystem and its complements.

It's not about how good you are at something, it's about how big you are. The very definition of why antitrust laws exist. Otherwise a vicious circle takes place.
 
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There was a de facto gigantic barrier to entry, so much so that not even Microsoft was able to overcome it.
Yeah, a critical mass didn’t like the product.
That's why antitrust laws exist. Otherwise they wouldn't be necessary as far as you don't create pro trust laws.
Nothing like legislating popularity.
In case you haven't noticed, big tech is a monopolistic ever expanding force based in its economies of scale and the value of the ecosystem and its complements.
There is no legal barrier to entry. It’s not the government’s responsibility to lower the barrier of entry to the lowest common denominator.
It's not about how good you are at something,
It’s about the right product for the right market.
it's about how big you are. The very definition of why antitrust laws exist.
Big companies fail with the wrong strategy. Anyway far off of the main topic. The point stands if one wants to find an alternative there are multiple choices.
 
Yeah, a critical mass didn’t like the product.

Nothing like legislating popularity.

There is no legal barrier to entry. It’s not the government’s responsibility to lower the barrier of entry to the lowest common denominator.

It’s about the right product for the right market.

Big companies fail with the wrong strategy. Anyway far off of the main topic. The point stands if one wants to find an alternative there are multiple choices.

Are you telling me privacy conscious customers will buy Apple and Google OS because they think Apple and Google are good at privacy?

Or is it because they don't have any other choice and any other company trying to serve those customers won't be able to overcome the gigantic barrier to entry that is the ecosystem and its apps?

Just wondering.

It's not a matter of opinion mate. It's literally the raison d'etre of antitrust laws. It's not that nobody knows how to sell privacy like Apple and Google. It's not that Apple and Google are good at it. It's that they have a very dominant market position.
 
I guess that really depends on the speed of the FBI servers and their ability to scan and forward your browsing requests. 😉

This is exactly my worry, as in my experience the states tend to be lagging behind in their tech funding. So if your search needs to play ping-pong between CIA, FBI & NSA servers, this could lag big time.
 
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Well said. Totally agree.

Naw I don’t. Im pretty sure a lot of people who download it from sites and apps and whatever are not digitally engaged enough to focus on their own data privacy….

I mean the “distributor” maybe but average creepo? They won’t be aware of what they are doing in terms of their tech I betcha
 
You don't need that feature, because your iCloud photos will not be "snooped." :rolleyes: "Snoop" implies the scanning information is being monitored by or reported to humans, but it's not. Everything stays on your phone UNLESS both of these things are true: 1. Multiple CSAM images are detected on your device 2. You upload those images to iCloud.

You people are acting like there will be employees at Apple sifting through your photos. "Wow, looks like they had a great time at that party . . . Ah, their new baby is so cute . . . Oh, so they have two dogs too . . , Well, no CSAM today, we'll check again tomorrow." LOL!

Critical thinking is now apparently a lost art. It's now about rushing to a "sky is falling" position at the drop of a hat.
 
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I understand that Apple is responsible for what is stored on their servers. My problem is with the on device scanning.
Well, allowing users to optionally use a transparent third party encryption services with iCloud/Photos/etc. would solve the issue. Well, it's somewhat possible with files, but it's not very straight forward.
E.g. If i place an encrypted file on iCloud, they can't be responsible for the content of that file, simply because they have no access to it.

But I doubt it's what they want, they are fully backing up that on-device and server-side file scanning, and it will be extended to other types of documents and services for sure.
 
With each manufacturer free to customize as requirements demand.
Nope, the other one demands manufacturers to follow their rules, else no support and access to additional services.
But i can imagine, that soon a few manufacturers will advert with (no google services inside) and this will be a privacy feature, instead of a drawback.
Well and with Apple OS's, a sad outcome, absolutely no choice to gain privacy here, trapped.
 
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Nope, the other one demands manufacturers to follow their rules, else no support and access to additional services.
But i can imagine, that soon a few manufacturers will advert with (no google services inside) and this will be a privacy feature, instead of a drawback.
Well and with Apple OS's, a sad outcome, absolutely no choice to gain privacy here, trapped.
So Samsung doesn’t customized their devices?
 
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