iOS 15 Privacy Guide: Private Relay, Hide My Email, Mail Privacy Protection, App Reports and More

[Wildkraut]

You don't need that feature, because your iCloud photos will not be "snooped." "Snoop" implies the scanning information is being monitored by or reported to humans, but it's not. Everything stays on your phone UNLESS both of these things are true: 1. Multiple CSAM images are detected on your device 2. You upload those images to iCloud.

You people are acting like there will be employees at Apple sifting through your photos. "Wow, looks like they had a great time at that party . . . Ah, their new baby is so cute . . . Oh, so they have two dogs too . . , Well, no CSAM today, we'll check again tomorrow." LOL!

Wasn't photos, but yeah better be careful, it's not the first time they put their fingers into stuff that does not belong to them:

Apple apologizes for listening to Siri conversations

Apple on Wednesday apologized for listening to Siri requests and said it will instead ask users to opt in to the program, which helps it improve Siri, when it resumes it later this fall.

www.cnbc.com

 

[usagora]

Wasn't photos, but yeah better be careful, it's not the first time they put their fingers into stuff that does not belong to them:

Apple apologizes for listening to Siri conversations

Apple on Wednesday apologized for listening to Siri requests and said it will instead ask users to opt in to the program, which helps it improve Siri, when it resumes it later this fall.

www.cnbc.com

Sounds like the recordings were anonymous, not linked to a specific Apple ID.

 

[cola79]

With iOS 15 Apple is completely dead. Started as something good, it ended as the door opener for a totalitarian world, where surveillance is 24/7. Pictures, Text, Voice, Position, Health data-everything goes directly to big tech and totalitarian governments.

Probably you can't win this fight, but you should not pay for the gun they gonna kill you with.

I will say goodbye to smartphones and go back to a simple gsm phone for really important calls.

Apple will not step back from this, Google will follow.

 

[hagar]

With iOS 15 Apple is completely dead. Started as something good, it ended as the door opener for a totalitarian world, where surveillance is 24/7. Pictures, Text, Voice, Position, Health data-everything goes directly to big tech and totalitarian governments.

Probably you can't win this fight, but you should not pay for the gun they gonna kill you with.

I will say goodbye to smartphones and go back to a simple gsm phone for really important calls.

Apple will not step back from this, Google will follow.

You clearly haven’t read the article. Nothing is sent to big tech and totalitarian governments.

Only if multiple known CSAM pics are found in your US iCloud account (by comparing hashes), a flag is raised. If indeed confirmed by a human, your account is rightfully suspended as it violates their T&C. And a private NGO is informed. That’s it.

 

[th0masp]

You people are acting like there will be employees at Apple sifting through your photos. "Wow, looks like they had a great time at that party . . . Ah, their new baby is so cute . . . Oh, so they have two dogs too . . , Well, no CSAM today, we'll check again tomorrow." LOL!

Actually that's what I would expect yes - for anything flagged by their system and escalated beyond a certain level. Maybe they're the same contractors that train your voice assistant, too.

 

[Techwatcher]

With iOS 15 Apple is completely dead. Started as something good, it ended as the door opener for a totalitarian world, where surveillance is 24/7. Pictures, Text, Voice, Position, Health data-everything goes directly to big tech and totalitarian governments.

Probably you can't win this fight, but you should not pay for the gun they gonna kill you with.

I will say goodbye to smartphones and go back to a simple gsm phone for really important calls.

Apple will not step back from this, Google will follow.

Google been doing this since 2009, on an even worse level lol. There's really no alternative solution. Apple just failed everyone as expected.

 

[usagora]

Actually that's what I would expect yes - for anything flagged by their system and escalated beyond a certain level.

The chances that those kinds of innocent photos will be flagged is so slim, it's almost unimaginable. And Apple employees DEFINITELY won't be randomly sifting through people's entire photo library.

 

[Techwatcher]

You don't need that feature, because your iCloud photos will not be "snooped." "Snoop" implies the scanning information is being monitored by or reported to humans, but it's not. Everything stays on your phone UNLESS both of these things are true: 1. Multiple CSAM images are detected on your device 2. You upload those images to iCloud.

You people are acting like there will be employees at Apple sifting through your photos. "Wow, looks like they had a great time at that party . . . Ah, their new baby is so cute . . . Oh, so they have two dogs too . . , Well, no CSAM today, we'll check again tomorrow." LOL!

You're the most naive person on this forum lmfao keep bootlicking these companies please.

 

[Wildkraut]

So Samsung doesn’t customized their devices?

Up to a level they can customize, but then it's finito, else they go the Amazon route.
In other words, you have no much better choice regarding privacy, too.

Simply because both camps enforces their services on devices, and both OS was build in a way to become very uncomfortable to use without these services. You can just choose between Pest(Apple) and Cholera(Google).
But Apple set a new bar with on device scanning, that's a bummer.

Google accused of abusing Android smartphone dominance to stifle competition

Google's behaviour denies consumers a wider choice of mobile apps and services and stands in the way of innovation by other players, claims the European Commission.

www.zdnet.com

Specifically the Commission alleges that Google has breached EU antitrust rules by:

• requiring manufacturers to pre-install Google Search and Google's Chrome browser and requiring them to set Google Search as default search service on their devices, as a condition to license certain Google proprietary apps;
• preventing manufacturers from selling smart mobile devices running on competing operating systems based on the Android open source code;
• giving financial incentives to manufacturers and mobile network operators on condition that they exclusively pre-install Google Search on their devices.

The only advantage Android has is, you can still sideload, or root to adapt, customize, install firewall, but only if you accept the consequences(e.g. loss of DRM for Netflix, malfunctioning BankingApps, etc. when rooted).

Anyway since these recent Apple news, Google is now the new leader in terms of privacy.
They also abuse, but there you still have some sort of control.

And personally, i find tracking your internet browsing history less intrusive than direct personal file access and sniffing the slips out of your drawer.

 

[usagora]

You're the most naive person on this forum lmfao keep bootlicking these companies please.

Personal attack but no rational response. Typical of shallow thinkers.

EDIT: Aww, looks like I hurt some peoples feewings 😢

 

[Wildkraut]

Sounds like the recordings were anonymous, not linked to a specific Apple ID.

Yeah yeah, I would say that too, trying to shut-up critical viewers, in reality they log everything.
It's a company, which I absolutely do not trust in any way.

Humans are one the worst species on this planet, that's why we are on top of the food chain.
Just look around you, what's happening and happened on this planet, and in regarding of Tim Crook he even lied under oath.

 

[th0masp]

The chances that those kinds of innocent photos will be flagged is so slim, it's almost unimaginable. And Apple employees DEFINITELY won't be randomly sifting through people's entire photo library.

Depends how much 'Intelligence' there is in Apple's solution and what exactly they have it looking for. I fully expect this to be your typical smoke & mirrors Silicon Valley tech. So most likely there's a human sitting behind it somewhere to handle the edge cases.

 

[Wildkraut]

Depends how much 'Intelligence' there is in Apple's solution and what exactly they have it looking for. I fully expect this to be your typical smoke & mirrors Silicon Valley tech. So most likely there's a human sitting behind it somewhere to handle the edge cases.

Exactly, or they simply went the Homer approach:

 

[usagora]

Yeah yeah, I would say that too, trying to shut-up critical viewers, in reality they log everything.
It's a company, which I absolutely do not trust in any way.

Humans are one the worst species on this planet, that's why we are on top of the food chain.
Just look around you, what's happening and happened on this planet, and in regarding of Tim Crook he even lied under oath.

Remember you're a human too. Guess it's easier to call everyone else terrible, though. We're always the exception, right? I'm a realist, but not a hyper-cynic like many of you. If you were logically consistent, you'd be off the grid living off the land.

 

[imnotthewalrus]

You don't need that feature, because your iCloud photos will not be "snooped." "Snoop" implies the scanning information is being monitored by or reported to humans, but it's not. Everything stays on your phone UNLESS both of these things are true: 1. Multiple CSAM images are detected on your device 2. You upload those images to iCloud.

You people are acting like there will be employees at Apple sifting through your photos. "Wow, looks like they had a great time at that party . . . Ah, their new baby is so cute . . . Oh, so they have two dogs too . . , Well, no CSAM today, we'll check again tomorrow." LOL!

Finally the voice of reason. I'm stunned by the hyperbole and conspiracy theories.

 

[hagar]

Depends how much 'Intelligence' there is in Apple's solution and what exactly they have it looking for. I fully expect this to be your typical smoke & mirrors Silicon Valley tech. So most likely there's a human sitting behind it somewhere to handle the edge cases.

Before assuming stuff and commenting, you should all consider reading their technical notes. Apple disclosed the whole process on their website. It’s completely built around privacy.

https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/CSAM_Detection_Technical_Summary.pdf

 

[Nuvi]

If iOS is so open and easily hackable as you say, don’t you think governments and terrorists already have unlimited access to your photos? So hacking this new scanning system would be pointless because it would expose their presence to Apple and eventually the user.

Also, server side scanning (which I do agree would be a much better approach here) allows for far more scalability than any kind of client-side implementation.

NSO Group is just one example of commercial spy ware developers. There are many articles about the company and their Pegasus software (https://www.wired.com/story/nso-group-hacks-ios-android-observability/) Apparently their products have been used to spy on politicians, activists, journalists etc. Until now Apple has tried to secure their platform but now they have crated a backdoor. Apple is well aware of companies such as NSO and their services. Therefore they most likely understand that NSO and others will work towards accessing neural matching data using their own parameters.

It is worth taking into a consideration that Apple hasn’t scanned all of the iCloud data before. Scanning seems to be more like random spot check without use of any artificial intelligence. According to service providers the main problem with image scanning (in general) are the raw processing power requirements. Thinking about how many iPhones are used to take pictures at any given moment one can understand the requirements to process that data. However, Apple has come up with excellent solution. They are using our own devices to process the images. So every time customer buys a device they are also buying the unit which will do the neural matching aka image processing. This is extremely clever since we are actually paying for the hardware that is spying us.

Anyway, it seems that Apples Neural matching (AI) will be used to match to users library to aprox. 200 000 images which have been used to teach the system. If image falls within a threshold the alarm is triggered. According to Apple they are using this as a starting point and expanding it from there.

All this spying makes Apples iOS 15 security measures like their Private relay, mail privacy, app privacy report etc. sound like a bad joke.

 

[usagora]

Finally the voice of reason. I'm stunned by the hyperbole and conspiracy theories.

Thanks. I think some of these people probably analyze Tim Cook's movements during keynotes and think he's sending secret messages to foreign governments, LOL! I guess it gives them something to do. Bless their hearts...

 

[Wildkraut]

Before assuming stuff and commenting, you should all consider reading their technical notes. Apple disclosed the whole process on their website. It’s completely built around privacy.

https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/CSAM_Detection_Technical_Summary.pdf

Yeah, Technical Summary, LOL.
That's a technical story-tale filled with buzzwords and schematic cartoons, nothing else.

 

[Victor Mortimer]

This is in no way any kind of effort to redirect anyone's attention, which is why it includes Apple's recent announcements and the criticisms surrounding them. Minus that section, this was written before anything Apple shared this week. There are several really great new privacy and security features in iOS 15 that I hope people can also discuss here.

Apple did a poor job with the messaging surrounding the new Child Safety features and it is unfortunate that it overshadows the privacy-forward improvements included in iOS 15. I'm sure we'll be hearing more from Apple in the coming days and weeks to better explain the thought process, goals, and future of the photo scanning technology to address user concerns.

This isn't a "messaging" problem for Apple.

This Apple abandoning ANY credibility when it comes to privacy or security.

Any other "privacy" features in iOS 15 are irrelevant now. You should have spiked this article because of that.

 

[Wildkraut]

Thanks. I think some of these people probably analyze Tim Cook's movements during keynotes and think he's sending secret messages to foreign governments, LOL! I guess it gives them something to do. Bless their hearts...

Yeah LOL I agree, this is not possible, simply because his movements are all planned by a choreographer, which just makes him become a marionette on stage. The superficial non-sense and self-adulated speech doesn't make it better. WWDC is not a Developer Conference anymore, it's a show just like Cirque du Soleil.

Edit: Sorry Cirque du Soleil, for comparing your nice show with this clown party.

 

[usagora]

Yeah, Technical Summary, LOL.
That's a technical story-tale filled with buzzwords and schematic cartoons, nothing else.

There's the assertion. Where's the evidence? You seem to know a lot about it in order to basically imply Apple is totally lying or incorrect, so what are your credentials? Are you part of the team that has developed this technology?

 

[Wildkraut]

There's the assertion. Where's the evidence? You seem to know a lot about it in order to basically imply Apple is totally lying or incorrect, so what are your credentials? Are you part of the team that has developed this technology?

Why shall i trust a document which smells like marketing yada yada.
Apple widely lost the trust of its user-base, and they are working hard to f'up their reputation even more.

The current happening with all the latest headlines builds up a very good image how Apple tics internally, and is evidence enough. If needed they walk over dead bodies.

The main issue with Apple is how they lie, they play the good privacy corp, point at others, and then stab you from behind. Google has privacy issues too, but at least is honest at this.

But again, i prefer somebody trying to track me through the web, than sniffing underwears out of my drawer(just to stay on topic)

 

[usagora]

Why shall i trust a document which smells like marketing yada yada.
Apple widely lost the trust of its user-base, and they are working hard to f'up their reputation even more.

The current happening with all the latest headlines builds up a very good image how Apple tics internally, and is evidence enough. If needed they walk over dead bodies.

The main issue with Apple is how they lie, they play the good privacy corp, point at others, and then stab you from behind. Google has privacy issues too, but at least is honest at this.

But again, i prefer somebody trying to track me through the web, than sniffing underwears out of my drawer(just to stay on topic)

So no evidence. Just ultra-cynicism. Got it. Oh, and Apple seems to be doing just fine, so that's funny if most of their user base has lost trust in them. I think you're projecting.

 

[svish]

Many privacy oriented features in iOS 15. But after the recent news of Apple scanning photo library, lost much faith in Apple and its privacy goals