"battery threshold" don't know what this means.
"and in lower temps" nope. that's not a requirement for causing the phone to randomly reboot in general. aged batteries can randomly reboot in any temp.
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"and in lower temps" nope. that's not a requirement for causing the phone to randomly reboot in general. aged batteries can randomly reboot in any temp.
Which part is another myth?
Seems like you’re saying both are true. Temporary processes cause additional battery drain and in some cases new OS versions tax older hardware more, some cases they don’t. Where is the myth?
In ALL cases, if you update far enough, the device suffers. It’s all that matters. Well, also the fact that downgrading isn’t allowed.
It’s also still being sold brand new in the iPad 10, is rumored to stick around for the iPad 11, and is the exact same cores as the M1.
And given that the last thing we’ve heard about the support list for iOS 18 is that it will support all of the same phones as iOS 17, I think that the iPhone 12 has at least until iOS 20 in 2026-27, giving it a full seven years of support plus additional security updates for two extra years as has been the norm for a while now.
Actually, given that the M1 MacBook Air is also still being sold by third-party retailers with Apple continuing to produce them, so they’re not just old unsold units but brand new ones, I would even say that the A14 and M1 (firestorm and icestorm cores) could easily be the first to have a whole decade of still getting the latest software updates, plus again another two years of security updates.
That's unfortunately your problem. I've described just that in my post. Maybe try to read posts you are reacting as well as you can read the provided articles?
It is. At least from the beginning. That's how every battery starts to fail to deliver current.
Any time an individual or company settles a case, they almost always include a statement about denying any wrongdoing. That's standard procedure.
Take these examples:
→ Purdue Pharma and Sackler family settlement regarding their part in OxyContin and opiod addiction problem.
In a statement, members of various branches of the Sackler family again denied any wrongdoing and described the settlement as one that will "allow very substantial additional resources to reach people and communities in need."
"While the families have acted lawfully in all respects, they sincerely regret that OxyContin, a prescription medicine that continues to help people suffering from chronic pain, unexpectedly became part of an opioid crisis that has brought grief and loss to far too many families and communities."
→ Equifax settlement for their negligence and data breach
In September of 2017, Equifax announced it experienced a data breach, which impacted the personal information of approximately 147 million people. A federal court approved a class action Settlement that resolves lawsuits brought by consumers after the data breach. Equifax denied any wrongdoing and no judgment or finding of wrongdoing was made.
→ American Airlines colluding with other airlines to raise ticket prices
American Airlines has agreed to pay $45 million to settle a lawsuit that says it and other major U.S. airlines colluded to drive up the price of airfares.
In settling the case, American denied any wrongdoing. The company, in a statement, said fighting the case in court would be costly.
→ DuPont and Chemours settling lawsuits involving a leak of a toxic chemical used to make Teflon
DuPont and Chemours Co have agreed to pay $671 million in cash to settle thousands of lawsuits involving a leak of a toxic chemical used to make Teflon, the companies said on Monday.
The companies settled about 3,550 personal injury claims arising from the leak of perfluorooctanoic acid, which is also known as PFOA or C-8, from its plant in Parkersburg, West Virginia.
The leak allegedly contaminated local water supplies and has been linked to six diseases, including testicular and kidney cancers.
Both companies denied any wrongdoing.
No point arguing with this guy, if it were up to him, Apple would never provide a software update after X.0
Yes, I have literally seen him make the argument that you shouldn’t even do security updates because it “obliterates the devices performance”.
With absolutely no evidence, nothing to back it up, just… I say so, so it must be true.
Despite the fact that, almost every year, benchmarks show that the performance actually gets better as we move further from X.0 to X.6 and X.7
About the only thing that we agree on is that Apple should provide security updates for older OSes to all of the phones that supported them.
If you want to run 15.8.2 on your iPhone 13, you should be able to.
15.0, with unpatched vulnerabilities from three years ago? Absolutely not.
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Wow, in all but one case this data contradicts your assertion. You may say the absolute differences are slight, but the percent differences are significant and noticeable to users as persistent lag (e.g. 173% longer to load “Phone”, on a phone).Obliterated? Here's an example of "obliteration" from your list...iPhone 4 running iOS 6 vs iOS 7.
iOS 7.1 on the iPhone 4: As good as it’s going to get
You can’t patch out a slow processor, but Apple does its best.arstechnica.com
APPLICATION IOS 6.1.3 IOS 7.0 IOS 7.1 GM Safari 1.13 seconds 2.05 seconds 1.8 seconds Camera 1.9 seconds 2.63 seconds 2.2 seconds Settings 1.31 seconds 1.88 seconds 1.37 seconds 1.0 seconds 1.50 seconds 1.35 seconds Messages 1.57 seconds 2.80 seconds 1.5 seconds Calendar 1.23 seconds 1.78 seconds 1.37 seconds Phone 0.67 seconds 2.37 seconds 1.83 seconds Cold boot to lock screen 31.14 seconds 45.13 seconds 43.1 seconds
Note that most of the differences between 6 and 7 are measured in fractions of a second. That's not obliterated. It's pretty typical for older hardware running newer operating systems. Think about using a 4 year old GPU with the latest PC games. They're still going to run but not as well as they do with a brand new GPU. That's just the way software works in general. It will support older hardware but it's made to showcase newer hardware.
The first iPhone that I purchased was a 5s. I've since owned a 10s and now a 15. I've never had any significant problems with iOS updates on any of those models. So that's over ten years of time.
Saying "Right from the 100% battery charge." at the end of the post didn't quite describe "battery threshold" directly. That's your problem for failure to clearly explain ambiguous phrases.
Again, it's not a requirement for the general issue. People who did not experience cold temperatures experiences random reboots. It's simply the case of old batteries not being able to reach high voltage to provide enough current during peak demands. Could temperature affect the voltages and therefore make the issue more apparent? Sure, but like I said, it's not the requirement.
no.
It doesn't contradict anything that I've said. Most of the differences in the chart are fractions of a second. And the ones that are longer are not really that significant in terms of usability.
In what area of computer performance is this not true? Are you saying this is unique to iPhones?
Heck, the battery life of my portable drill suffers if I pull too many heavy bolts in succession, but it thrives when I use it to assemble furniture from IKEA.
Newer software is typically heavier for slower processors, so they use more power. Is this a scandal? Rarely, as was the case for me with my 6S, iOS 12 increased performance from the prior version, but maybe that just means iOS 11 was a dog.
(EDIT: Sorry mods. I thought my sarcasm was clear with the “Apple sheep” comment but I got the message)
Nope.
The government’s decision to enter into the deferred prosecution agreement and civil settlement took into account a number of factors, including Wells Fargo’s extensive cooperation and substantial assistance with the government’s investigations; Wells Fargo’s admission of wrongdoing; its continued cooperation in the investigations; its prior settlements in a series of regulatory and civil actions; and remedial actions, including significant changes in Wells Fargo’s management and its board of directors, an enhanced compliance program, and significant work to identify and compensate customers who may have been victims. The deferred prosecution agreement will be in effect for three years.
Wells Fargo Agrees to Pay $3 Billion to Resolve Criminal and Civil Investigations into Sales Practices Involving the Opening of Millions of Accounts without Customer Authorization
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March has been an amazing month! Clearly out of the fondness of Apple's heart (/s), they have decided to remove two software imposed limitations on their products that to me were there just to upsell or incentivize upgrades: the M3 MacBook Pro gaining multi-display support (should have been there from day 1) and now this.
It will be a long time before the DOJ case even starts, therefore I expect continued proactive action on Apple's side.
Who knows, maybe Apple will soon allow third party browsers in iOS and iPad OS to implement browser extensions (just like they can in Mac OS). This is another obvious feature block by Apple, which is very puzzling given that they literally force the usage of WebKit to third party browsers (same tool Apple uses for Safari).
It will be a long time before the DOJ case even starts, therefore I expect continued proactive action on Apple's side.
Who knows, maybe Apple will soon allow third party browsers in iOS and iPad OS to implement browser extensions (just like they can in Mac OS). This is another obvious feature block by Apple, which is very puzzling given that they literally force the usage of WebKit to third party browsers (same tool Apple uses for Safari).
How does this work? If a battery theoretically holds 60% of what it did as new, how are you getting the same battery life from it?
From 100% charge to 0% you have the same exact on time as you did at 100% battery health? I’ve understood that the “bucket” gets smaller so it can’t possibly hold the same amount as before.
But then the cynic in me tells me they advertised Qi2 as a feature to try to sell the iPhone 15, then 6 months later said "oops, turns out your old phone you upgraded from can do that!"
I recall iPhone 4 was jailbroken and people were able to get Siri running on it.
Upselling and incentivizing upgrades is standard practice in the business world. Have you ever shopped for a vehicle and compared one model year to the next or the various versions of the same vehicle within the same model year?
I think it’s refers to the MagSafe green ring. I don’t see that on my non MagSafe wireless charger at home, I just get a battery symbol and “x% charged”
The one in my car is magnetic but no green ring. My MagSafe charger at work shows the green ring every time.
Anyone else? I’ll try to find the wattage of each of these chargers in case that helps. Will update this comment.
Update: Both magnetic chargers at work and in my car say “15W” but only the work desk one claims “fast charging” and triggers the green ring charging animation. I’m taking the car charger indoors and connecting to the 20W brick to see what happens…
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My cheapo non-certified magnetic charger shows the green ring, so it can't be unique to 15W? 🤷🏻♂️
Why'd you only quote the last sentence? I wrote that they "almost always" denying any wrongdoing, not that they always deny wrongdoing.Nope.
The government’s decision to enter into the deferred prosecution agreement and civil settlement took into account a number of factors, including Wells Fargo’s extensive cooperation and substantial assistance with the government’s investigations; Wells Fargo’s admission of wrongdoing; its continued cooperation in the investigations; its prior settlements in a series of regulatory and civil actions; and remedial actions, including significant changes in Wells Fargo’s management and its board of directors, an enhanced compliance program, and significant work to identify and compensate customers who may have been victims. The deferred prosecution agreement will be in effect for three years.
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Your example about Wells Fargo admitting wrongdoing shows that I am correct that they don't always deny wrongdoing.
It seems to me that there are multiple aspects to batteries..
How long under normal use a device will work before it needs to be recharged.
How long before the battery is incapable of being charged to fully.
Both of those are affected by the physics for the battery. No battery lasts forever.
Now the OS for the device can obviously affect the first. As can the user by what they do on the device. Playing games on the device will have a worse affect than say editing a text file. Also, network connectivity will also have an effect.
Funnily enough, this is not true. If there are bugs or issues that the .0 version of the original major version of the device has, I recommend making a fresh install (restore the device and start again) from the final point version of the original major iOS version of the device.
Never update a major version. Ever. I’d love it if Apple provided, say, “iOS 12.5” for my iPhone Xʀ with security updates. Apple, if I wanted those security updates, would force me to go to iOS 17.4.1. Nah.
.6 and .7 do solve issues compared to .0! Absolutely! But that doesn’t mean that iOS “11.7” is better than iOS 10 on an iPhone 7, for example.
This is massively misunderstood by many: I’ve seen countless people ask (just as an example, not this specifically): “should I update from iOS 12 on my iPhone Xʀ”, right after, say, iOS 17 is released. People reply: “not now, wait for iOS 17.5 or .6, it’s more stable and battery life will improve”.
What in the world????!!! It will improve relative to iOS 17.0, but not iOS 12. That is ridiculous (and misleading).
The Xs. Battery life on iOS 17 is significantly worse than on iOS 12. The 5s on iOS 12 is significantly worse in both aspects when compared to iOS 7. Undeniable.