iOS 17.5 Lets EU iPhone Users Download Apps From Websites

[vicviper789]

I can't wait to get a VPN and have the best of both worlds

 

[macabrumorsab]

Of course commission free for the artists?

But an artist has the right to open his own Gallery or offer his work in the street.
Why is that so complicated to understand?

 

[eifelbube]

terrible UX. no thanks.

glad Apple is doing the 0.50 euro fee. developers should not be freeloading off the hard work Apple has done to make this possible.

Developers make money because of Apple’s hard work and Apple makes money because of developers’ hard work. Therefore, the fee should be 0.00 euro, just like it us for Mac software.

 

[TigerNike23]

I can't wait to get a VPN and have the best of both worlds

I don’t think a VPN will “fix” it.

There’s been long arguments on these forums about how the EU would enforce EU policy outside of the geographical boundaries, or legally if they have any force whatsoever (I think they don’t, personally).

 

[Homme]

All this is happening when iPad 6 is getting this and iPhone 7 Plus isn’t getting it despite having 1GB more RAM with the same A10 SoC 🤣 😂 😆

 

[GrayFlannel]

I got a new device yesterday. Essentially, a tablet that runs Android 12. Overall, it's fun. It's pretty cool that I can go to the Play Store and download apps to it from a different device and stuff like that.

By that night, however, I had this haunting feeling that this Chinese-made device and all the pre-installed apps may just have a security risk. Moments later, I downloaded Bitdefender and ran it. It says it's all good? But I still can't shake this uneasy feeling about it. Especially when I've already installed Bitwarden and whatnot on it.

Being a mostly Apple user, I've never had to really worry about it. I assume Google has the system locked down well enough that maybe there isn't as much risk? But again, I really just don't know. It's not that I've side-loaded, it's just how can I trust the device manufacturer and the shovelware?

The problem is you don’t have any real problems.

 

[1129846]

I can't wait to get a VPN and have the best of both worlds

VPN are not as great as you think they are and Apple can easily respond by killing any connection trying to validate the location threw a vpn. Basically most VPNs yet a hard no.

The public VPNs have known ip addresses and it does not take long for a new one to get detected and added to the list.

Then there are other bits of data they can use if you ever used location servers or if they are on Apple can cross reference it to the ip and detect a miss match.

 

[Kevin2055]

I got a new device yesterday. Essentially, a tablet that runs Android 12. Overall, it's fun. It's pretty cool that I can go to the Play Store and download apps to it from a different device and stuff like that.

By that night, however, I had this haunting feeling that this Chinese-made device and all the pre-installed apps may just have a security risk. Moments later, I downloaded Bitdefender and ran it. It says it's all good? But I still can't shake this uneasy feeling about it. Especially when I've already installed Bitwarden and whatnot on it.

Being a mostly Apple user, I've never had to really worry about it. I assume Google has the system locked down well enough that maybe there isn't as much risk? But again, I really just don't know. It's not that I've side-loaded, it's just how can I trust the device manufacturer and the shovelware?

LMAO

 

[vakarpochui]

Even on Android phone I had some years ago I avoided this ****.

 

[vakarpochui]

You can still have a closed system. That aspect isn't changing. Allowing alternative app stores and downloads from websites doesn't affect anything or anyone unless they choose to go those routes.

That is nuts.

 

[vakarpochui]

Apple is very limited in the criteria used for denying an approval.

My reading of the DMA doesn't allow Apple to deny apps which threatens user's security or their data.

And you don't have problem with that?

 

[Marshall73]

Vote accordingly and force your country out of stupid eu

Yeah, that has worked out so well for the UK, pmsl.

 

[Beautyspin]

cue password and wallet stealing with customers blaming Apple and not the stupid EU court that, honestly, is just out to screw over American companies.

You do not have to worry about the lack of that in other areas. Apple manages to let through scam apps for the rest of the regions on its Appstore to fill the gap. Appstore != security. Who are the customers complaining right now? Is Apple compensating the customers right now?

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[CrysisDeu]

Absolutely horrible.
The worst thing about mac is the need to remember which App you downloaded from the website. If you bought a mac and want to set it as a new machine, you have to find all of the apps to download. Where as on iOS you can just see the purchase history.

And no, it is not simply another choice for developers. A lot of developers don’t publish to the mac App Store. By supporting EU, it means you will lost the Apps you bought from App store sometime

 

[Jay Tee]

This has the potential to cause numerous security issues... I think on this one the EU should have tread much more careful. I think it was well intentioned, but has the potential to result in a hot security mess.

The official App Store, although not perfect by any means, is the safest option.

You just can't have that same safety when you can download an app off any website...

The new attack vectors will sharpen Apple's security even further: a potential indirect benefit.

 

[CrysisDeu]

You can still have a closed system. That aspect isn't changing. Allowing alternative app stores and downloads from websites doesn't affect anything or anyone unless they choose to go those routes.

WRONG! Some developers will choose not to publish on App store. How many percentage of Mac apps you use are downloaded from the App store?

 

[Beautyspin]

I got a new device yesterday. Essentially, a tablet that runs Android 12. Overall, it's fun. It's pretty cool that I can go to the Play Store and download apps to it from a different device and stuff like that.

By that night, however, I had this haunting feeling that this Chinese-made device and all the pre-installed apps may just have a security risk. Moments later, I downloaded Bitdefender and ran it. It says it's all good? But I still can't shake this uneasy feeling about it. Especially when I've already installed Bitwarden and whatnot on it.

Being a mostly Apple user, I've never had to really worry about it. I assume Google has the system locked down well enough that maybe there isn't as much risk? But again, I really just don't know. It's not that I've side-loaded, it's just how can I trust the device manufacturer and the shovelware?

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[Victor Mortimer]

It amazes me constantly how double standard so many arguments are. So many here saying if you don't like the ability to download from alt stores, don't use it. Others saying if you don't like Apple controlling its ecosystem then go buy an Android. For all those banging on their "freedom" soapbox, it leaves me gobsmacked that people cannot see this is government controlling what a private company (one that revolutionized an industry, changed the world, etc. I might add) can and cannot do with its own creation. GM just decided one day to make Car Play no longer an option on their vehicles (happily told a salesman that was the sole reason I did not purchase the planned Corvette earlier this year.) No one is suing GM over the fact that you can no longer choose which phone you can enjoy between Android Auto and Apple Car Play. That's a company choosing to do with their product what they want. Apple made its mark by being the company that tightly couples its hardware and software. The limited flexibility keeps it far more stable and safe. Just baffles me how in a country that beats its own chest on the freedoms we have, but in the next breath demand the freedom of a company be superseded so they can have the freedom the want. And selective freedom at its best.

COMPANIES SHOULD NOT HAVE FREEDOM. HUMANS SHOULD HAVE FREEDOM.

That's the thing that absolutely infuriates me about liebertarians. They want to pretend companies are people and should have rights.

If a company tries to do something that is contrary to a human's rights, whether that be to block CarPlay or make it impossible to install ANY software of that human's choice on that human's personal iPhone, the company should be prohibited by law from doing it.

If you don't want to install an alternate OS on your car's infotainment system, nobody is forcing you to do it. If you only want to stick to Mommy Apple's app store, nobody is forcing you to not. All that we're asking is that Apple, which is a multinational corporation and NOT a person, be forced to give actual people their freedom.

 

[hagar]

I´m tired of the paternalism of the European Union, as if the user is stupid.

Signed: Citizen of the European Union

That word doesn’t mean what you think it means. Getting more freedom to install what you want on the iPhone you paid for, is the exact opposite of paternalism.

 

[ss2cire]

I didn't choose Apple because it's a closed environment, and I actively want Apple to be more open.
Like everyone has been saying for months, you can just choose to keep your environment as closed as you want, nobody will force you to install apps from outside the App Store.

I’d say this is not true. If you want Fortnite i guarantee you’ll have to download it from an alt store: Epic Store.

I’m willing to bet other companies will want to do so also. Eventually getting apps will be very segmented.

 

[Victor Mortimer]

WRONG! Some developers will choose not to publish on App store. How many percentage of Mac apps you use are downloaded from the App store?

As low as possible. Virtually none. Because I HATE THE STUPID APPLE APP STORE. The only ones I have are the Apple apps (Pages, Numbers, Keynote) and the few I couldn't get anywhere else.

Once I have the ability to normally install apps on my iPhone, it will be the same. Every app that I have that's been downloaded from the Apple app store will be deleted and replaced with the same app downloaded directly from the developer's web site.

 

[hagar]

I hope that every opponent here, never ever installs an app on their Mac from somewhere else than the Mac App Store.

 

[CraigJDuffy]

I've already lost that option on Mac when the app I paid for left the App Store

Use a different app.

 

[CraigJDuffy]

Can the developer change the app after review and notarisation? Im not sure on the specifics... on the notarisation process... if it uses a checksum or related process so that the OS knows if the app its downloading, is indeed the same app that was checked by Apple at another time

Yep, it uses a checksum.

 

[vipergts2207]

Wait!!! Is the Earth still spinning? Will the Sun rise tomorrow? Guys, I'm scared. I was told this would essentially be the end of the world.