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The DMA chills innovation and here is a prime example. For those saying Apple is withholding the feature out of "spite" - no, it's not.

The feature is unavailable to the EU because releasing it there would mean that Apple is required by law to give third-party apps the ability to completely control a person's iPhone remotely - with all the safety, privacy, and security issues that brings. No way Apple ever releases it in the EU under those circumstances.

Then don't install the third-party remote control apps? TeamViewer is not going to force anyone at gunpoint to install an iPhone app.
 
Then don't install the third-party remote control apps? TeamViewer is not going to force anyone at gunpoint to install an iPhone app.
The EU is asking Apple to do something that it believes would make its customers less safe. Apple is well within its rights to say "no, we're not going to do that."

In fact, I'd argue that they should be celebrated for doing so, because they're actually standing up to their principles and making their devices slightly less appealing to do so. It'd be easier to say "fine, others can do it too" and offer the feature in the EU and say "if our customers are less safe and secure, that's on them."
 
The EU is asking Apple to do something that it believes would make its customers less safe. Apple is well within its rights to say "no, we're not going to do that."

In fact, I'd argue that they should be celebrated for doing so, because they're actually standing up to their principles and making their devices slightly less appealing to do so. It'd be easier to say "fine, others can do it too" and offer the feature in the EU and say "if our customers are less safe and secure, that's on them."

There is no evidence that opening up screen sharing on Apple devices would make them less secure. These features have been functional for years across Windows and Android with no incidents that I'm aware about. Apple just doesn't wants more reasons for iPhone owners to buy a Mac, and opening up iPhone screen sharing to other desktop platforms removes one of those reasons. That's it.

Apple being everyone's nanny is no better than the EU supposedly being a nanny state. This is also a company that has repeatedly let malware and scam apps in the App Store, so I have no idea where so many people are getting this misplaced sense of ultra-high standards. I can go download AI girlfriend and unregulated cryptocurrency trading apps through the App Store right now, but not a Wii emulator or real Firefox?
 
Apple Intelligence to me looks completely uninteresting and unusable. iPhone Mirroring could be a feature I would actually love to use. So mehhh… cause I’m an Apple user in the EU.
 
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Apple Intelligence to me looks completely uninteresting and unusable. iPhone Mirroring could be a feature I would actually love to use. So mehhh… cause I’m an Apple user in the EU.
I agree on the AI as of now, but I use iPhone Mirroring everyday.
 
There is no evidence that opening up screen sharing on Apple devices would make them less secure. These features have been functional for years across Windows and Android with no incidents that I'm aware about. Apple just doesn't wants more reasons for iPhone owners to buy a Mac, and opening up iPhone screen sharing to other desktop platforms removes one of those reasons. That's it.

Apple being everyone's nanny is no better than the EU supposedly being a nanny state. This is also a company that has repeatedly let malware and scam apps in the App Store, so I have no idea where so many people are getting this misplaced sense of ultra-high standards. I can go download AI girlfriend and unregulated cryptocurrency trading apps through the App Store right now, but not a Wii emulator or real Firefox?
Way should they?
 
There is no evidence that opening up screen sharing on Apple devices would make them less secure. These features have been functional for years across Windows and Android with no incidents that I'm aware about. Apple just doesn't wants more reasons for iPhone owners to buy a Mac, and opening up iPhone screen sharing to other desktop platforms removes one of those reasons. That's it.
You can do literally anything you could do holding the phone on your Mac without unlocking it. You don't think there are any security or privacy concerns that opens up if given to third parties? And regardless, the idea that Apple APIs have to be offered to competitors for free is ridiculous on its face.

Apple being everyone's nanny is no better than the EU supposedly being a nanny state. This is also a company that has repeatedly let malware and scam apps in the App Store, so I have no idea where so many people are getting this misplaced sense of ultra-high standards. I can go download AI girlfriend and unregulated cryptocurrency trading apps through the App Store right now, but not a Wii emulator or real Firefox?
iOS is Apple's property to do with as it sees fit. If you don't like that, there is a perfectly good alternative. Apple shouldn't be required to offer piracy facilitation apps or alternate browser engines if they don't want to any more than Walmart should be required to sell porn in its stores. If that is an issue for you, again, there is an alternative.
 
I'm a EU citizen and I'm not annoyed, except with all the typical apple fanboy bs here.


You want to do business in a market, comply with its rules.
Simple as that.

And if apple starts to cut too many things, they will have fewer customers here. Up to them to decide if they're ok with that.
Wait a second! Do you actually agree that Apple should give full control of your Apple devices to devices, or operating systems, or apps from other companies? Do you really want to open all your data to all the apps that you use?

If you buy a computer or a phone from any other brand, you can theoretically control all of your data. You can also block outside access.

Apple's main product is its ecosystem. You can control your data within that ecosystem. Giving the same privileges to all other apps makes it impossible for you to control your data and your privacy, therefore Apple can not open its devices to third parties as it opens it to its other products, and save your privacy at the same time.

EU is basically telling Apple to choose between not selling an ecosystem as a product, and abandoning user privacy. Apple can't abandon user privacy, so they chose not to sell the perfect ecosystem within the EU. They absolutely do not have the option to give you those features while also keeping you safe.

If as a EU citizen, you are annoyed with this, you should direct your anger to your government which didn't give Apple an option that would make you happy.
 
That's not what the DMA implies.

It does. From the DMA:

The gatekeeper shall allow providers of services and providers of hardware, free of charge, effective interoperability with, and access for the purposes of interoperability to, the same hardware and software features accessed or controlled via the operating system or virtual assistant listed in the designation decision pursuant to Article 3(9) as are available to services or hardware provided by the gatekeeper. Furthermore, the gatekeeper shall allow business users and alternative providers of services provided together with, or in support of, core platform services, free of charge, effective interoperability with, and access for the purposes of interoperability to, the same operating system, hardware or software features, regardless of whether those features are part of the operating system, as are available to, or used by, that gatekeeper when providing such services.

So if Apple has the ability to have full control of devices remotely, third parties get to have that capability too.
 
It does. From the DMA:



So if Apple has the ability to have full control of devices remotely, third parties get to have that capability too.
 

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They can still sell their products here, can't they?

It's American companies that think they can do whatever they like.
As I said, They have a free choice. Comply or don't and risk giving up their market share to the competition.
Who is/are the competitors?
 
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You can do literally anything you could do holding the phone on your Mac without unlocking it. You don't think there are any security or privacy concerns that opens up if given to third parties? And regardless, the idea that Apple APIs have to be offered to competitors for free is ridiculous on its face.


iOS is Apple's property to do with as it sees fit. If you don't like that, there is a perfectly good alternative. Apple shouldn't be required to offer piracy facilitation apps or alternate browser engines if they don't want to any more than Walmart should be required to sell porn in its stores. If that is an issue for you, again, there is an alternative.

Yes, I think there are security or privacy concerns, and I think Apple is perfectly capable of addressing them just like they have done on the Mac for decades. The EU is not forcing Apple to allow malware on its platforms. The EU is asking the duopoly of smartphone manufacturers to treat their devices like computers, because for many people, the smartphone is their primary or only computer.

The idea that Apple APIs have to be offered to competitors for free is ridiculous on its face.

This is how all operating systems work. There are APIs for apps to connect with system services, that's how every app on iPhone works. Apple also isn't doing anything "for free" right now, they charge all developers $99/yr for the privilege of submitting any applications or browser extensions for signing and/or publication. That's why I can't put any of my browser extensions on Safari—they don't generate any revenue to make that money back.
 
Does iphone mirroring work reliably for most people? It fails to connect for me at least 75% of the time. I don't even try anymore.
 
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And do you disagree that allowing a third-party, say Google for example, the ability to see and control everything on a user's iPhone has security or privacy implications?
Pretty poor implementation by apple if it doesn't check on the mac it is signed into the same iCloud account to be able to use screen mirroring.
And Google doesn't make a OS for mac hardware
 
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One word only: unacceptable. You know, guys? We, the exquisite Europeans, are paying VAT for Apple products? How come that poor me ended up paying a fortune for a hardware product that was capped by bureaucrats from the European Union?
 
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