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Just withhold features for the communi… i mean eu
I'm not surprised that you would say that. You probably come from the USA, where universal health care, sick pay, protection against dismissal, etc. are regarded as deepest communism.

Consumer rights are not your thing?

Apple can keep their ****** screen sharing for all I care, don't miss it!
 
El oh el. The EU deserves every bit of this. You wanted Nanny Vestager to go after Apple for bogus violations & cries of "monopoly!!!" , now reap the consequences. People in the EU are going to be dead last when it comes to getting new iOS-iPadOS-MacOS features (if they get them at all) and it's going to be amusing to see.

But alt App Stores hooray right?
We're usually late anyway, Apple is only trying to sell its lazyness as a consequence of EU regulations now - I still have to say "hey" before siri, and there's nonsuch rhing as apple news over here. Also, being late with apple intellicence is actually a feature. So, nothing really has changed.

Otoh, we got alternative app stores, which is about ten times the features the rest of the world got with recent iOS updates. Also, we'll get replaceable batteries again, the EU is looking into opening up iOS to smartwatches from other manufacturers and we'll get alternative browser engines as well eventually. So, hooray indeed.
 
Apple Inteligence only supports 6 of the 24 official EU languages, which is only 25%. For me, it is difficult to see Apple Inteligence working in the EU.

Apple has never treated the EU as a single market.

Neither has the EU itself. The EU is a strange creature.
 
Apple Inteligence only supports 6 of the 24 official EU languages, which is only 25%. For me, it is difficult to see Apple Inteligence working in the EU.

Apple has never treated the EU as a single market.

Neither has the EU itself. The EU is a strange creature.
well it’s a creature with many faces (unfortunately a few ugly ones) but with diversity in language, cultures and identities…
We still have free speech, the right to stand up to our multiple governments that aren’t controlled by 1 crazy person, respect for others (okay there’s those that don’t, but they are regarded as …), health care, solidarity with the less fortunate to a certain degree, unemployment support, health control foods, chocolates and 1000’s craft beers…

Oh so we won’t get a few of Apple’s goodies…
Nah I’m not moving anywhere to. Life’s good like that.
 
The DMA chills innovation and here is a prime example. For those saying Apple is withholding the feature out of "spite" - no, it's not.
Related, if the EU had worked just a little more quickly, we'd be stuck with MicroUSB on everything, instead of USB-C - they had been pushing to require MicroUSB in the days before USB-C. If they had managed that, USB-C wouldn't have caught on the way it has now.
 
Gave up on that feature on the third time it asked me to set it up after already having set it up twice. I'll try again in 2027.
 
Like Gurman and Prosser, I got ahold of a concept image for iOS 19.0e ("e" for "euro") with no app store, no music/itunes store, and web based apps for all EU iPhones. They even let them choose which browser they want to run those apps if they don't like Safari. Here's the concept image:

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More likely it is because Apple doesn't want to give the EU more targets to fine.

Now that Apple has given the EU its own regional version of iOS, I can see this happening more and more.

If Apple hadn't promised users in the EU that they would get Apple Intelligence, I could see Apple not releasing Apple Intelligence in the EU due to the future danger of compliance lawsuits.

Apple already seems to be less competitive than Android in the EU. In the long run, withholding features may make some people here happy because Apple is supposedly sticking it to the EU, but will do little to help sales.

I'd reckon that Apple doesn't actually think these are crucial features for users, because otherwise they'd probably have found a way.

I mean, you could literally make the same argument about what the EU is doing. Making tech giants change their products and services to adhere to EU values and standards.

The operative part being for goods and services offered in the EU. If said tech giants decided to no longer offer their products in the EU, they also wouldn't have to change a thing to meet EU values and standards.

What people here really seem to struggle with is the concept that American companies should have to follow local laws when offering products abroad.

Speak up on the way the EU treats American companies. The EU is getting what they deserve.

Case in point. The big mistreatment of American companies, expecting them to comply with local laws.
 
What people here really seem to struggle with is the concept that American companies should have to follow local laws when offering products abroad.
Not only do I understand that, I agree they absolutely must follow local laws.

That doesn’t prevent me from saying said local laws are bad, unfair, and will result in the opposite of what those backing them want to happen. But Apple absolutely needs to follow them, no matter how bad they are.

If the law is so terrible they can’t follow it, it’s time to leave the jurisdiction. However bad I think the DMA is (and I think it’s rally, really bad) - it’s not bad enough for Apple to leave the EU over. Bad enough to try to have its government push back on the EU, and fight in European courts if necessary, but not bad enough to leave the EU.

The UK’s encryption backdoor law - that’s bad enough to leave over.
 
The regulatory reasons that Apple refers to are totally bogus. Starting in April, they will begin offering their useless AI tools in the EU but withhold really useful tools. Apple, being the vindictive child it has turned into under Tim's leadership. 🙄
To be fair, it wasn’t Apple that changed. The rules the EU approved for their App Store are the same OR have better terms than when the App Store was introduced there. It was the EU that decided to change the rules. They should have said from the start that they didn’t want the iPhone App Store in the region. Apple’s not being vindictive, this is what a company SHOULD do understanding that, at any time, the government may drastically alter regulations regarding approved business practices. Especially when the DMA says,”We can make up anything we like, and fine you for it.”
 
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Yes, they love to use privacy to prop up their anti-competitive practices. Except that screen sharing API is already available in the EU - so this whole argument is just an example of Apple being a capricious monopoly - and it only strengthens the case for it being regulated.
The EU doesn’t even know what competition is :) They CAN’T compete!
 
You want to do business in a market, comply with its rules.
Simple as that.
They did comply with the rules. Since day one of being approved to do business in the EU with the App Store. Complying with the rules, apparently, just brings about more punitive rules. :)
 
Another American thinking the entire world needs to adhere to American values and standards. Narcissistic behavior.
No, the EU just needs to be consistent with their regulations. Apple didn’t approve THEMSELVES to operate in the EU. EU regulators approved the current state that they don’t like. And, that current state is still in place and available for use by EVERY non-gatekeeper company (essentially different rules for EU companies vs non-EU companies). It starts out inconsistent and then just goes downhill from there.
 
Another American thinking the entire world needs to adhere to American values and standards. Narcissistic behavior.
Nothing in my post says anything about the entire world or even another country needing to adhere to any American values or standards.

In fact, I believe the opposite that each country has the right to do what they want. This being said it’s going to cause some differences and that’s all I pointed out. I’ve heard of reading between the lines, but you must’ve checked out an entire encyclopedia between the lines of my post to get that. You even gave me a mental health diagnosis from a post that’s only a few lines. It wasn’t that serious 😂
 
And if apple starts to cut too many things, they will have fewer customers here. Up to them to decide if they're ok with that.
EU regulators will never allow that. They know they NEED the iPhone in their digital future, they NEED more citizens owning them. That’s why they didn’t just block the phone from the region.
 
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the EU is looking into opening up iOS to smartwatches from other manufacturers
The iPhone would only have to open up to other smartwatches if there are features the Apple Watch would have that other watches wouldn’t. Simple solution, remove those features from the Apple Watch in the EU. Anyone that wants the features would just use an AppleID from outside the region.
 
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nah alt stores are useless... I have everything I want on the App Store.
Nope, I’ve gotten many great apps by side loading and I can finally watch youtube without ads and sponsorship and even youtube music is for free

A friend of mine got a modified Discord app and instagram and X that work in Turkey etc. The world doesn’t revolve around you. Alternative app stores were needed and were long over due
 
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EU regulators will never allow that. They know they NEED the iPhone in their digital future, they NEED more citizens owning them. That’s why they didn’t just block the phone from the region.
Most people in the EU use Android. Nobody “needs” an iphone
 
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I'll put a thesis... Until Siri starts speaking/understanding Polish, it will be a poor assistant. @Apple U know what to do.
At least you have Polish. Many European languages are missing. Android and Microsoft have had the Baltic languages etc from the beginning. Even Windows 98 had Estonian for example and so did the Office. iOS are missing more languages. Talking about system wide languages, not just siri
 
Good. The EU should just receive basic updates and nothing else.
then I could easily go for android that have better Ai, better cameras, more storage and Android promises 6 years of updates too and let’s not forget better battery life and more choices.
 
Don't think these features will ever come to EU region especially with tightening requirements for the region. Will be very disappointing for customers in the region
 
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