Ledsteplin
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I had funky issues at first. But after a few days it straightened out.
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iOS 27 Beta 1 ― Bug Fixes, Changes, and Improvements
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I had funky issues at first. But after a few days it straightened out.
Ledsteplin
macrumors 68000
I’m very surprised. My Apple footprint is small and other than a periodic backup, I don’t use the iCloud for much. I expected a couple of days, maybe a day or two more. It’s been indexing since drop with nightly charging connect (8-10 hours).
iPhone Air and iPad Pro 11 M4.
You bring up a good point though. I wonder what “indexing” really entails.
Everyone needs to ignore the indexing message. iPhones have always done indexing. We just never got messages before.
Well can get £400 for my iPhone so will be doing that , getting a pixel 10a done with apple iphine
So I didn't read the whole 68 pages, but maybe someone can help me out. I got the new Siri AI on my iPad, but somehow I don't get Siri if I long press in a text field (where writing tools used to be). It's just missing. Just as there is no Siri in the Camera app.
Is that a know bug? Or what else can I try?
Is that a know bug? Or what else can I try?
Enygmatic
macrumors 65816
33.74GB here... which is odd, because the parent "macOS" storage (that you click into to get the above screenshot) shows 29.3GB. 🤷🏾♂️
dk001
macrumors demi-god
1.5 weeks of indexing? This is either the lamest system in the OS world or something is very wrong.
Or the message is very wrong, but for those with a MB you can see what the percent is…. So…..
uniquexoxo
macrumors 6502a
Also which kinda defeats the purpose of the feature of being able to edit the screenshot after taking it we have to go to the photos app again to make edit
The only time I ever want my phone at 100% before 5:30 AM is when I have a flight. Optimized Charging starts to fill my phone to 100% at 2am every night, which is too early.
This is cool! Wouldn’t have been able to figure it out without Siri AI.
Enygmatic
macrumors 65816
I posted earlier (last week), but Brian Tong and some others reported that they were told by Apple engineers (while at WWDC) that the indexing could take upward of 2 full weeks, depending. The combination of initial beta builds running, PLUS the entire new SiriAI architecture and its (fragmented) requirements, is probably causing havoc.
HackDaBox
macrumors 6502
Seriously 68 pages and I’ve read every comment on every page and it’s taken me until now from when it launched and so many of these comments were repeats or complaining about indexing! I swear if I read one more …
I’ve been testing these betas for many years and love reading the comments on here but not this year!
I personally am not running this beta on my daily driver and have it installed on an old iPhone 12 Pro and all I got was the indexing message And yes it’s still going and a new slider for Liquid Glass but to be fair it’s not really a slider as there is on a little on a little more or fully glass like look so could of easily been a 3 stage setting and not a slider.
No new Siri Ai as the phone is too old and the screen capture bug that prevents screenshots being saved correctly if edited now this bug was in iOS 26 too so I believe when they release a new iOS developer beta they simply start from the same buggy iOS master then add in features and slowly overtime remove bugs add and remove features until a golden master is ready and then make it a release to the public if no huge issues occur.
iOS 27 developer beta is awesome and very fast super fluid and runs amazing on my old hardware without adding almost anything new but it seems way more solid than 26 and this is a huge feature!
Every developer beta always does indexing and battery and heat problems arise when it’s doing so for several days and things get cooler and battery gets better over time.
Indexing has changed for the first time so that AI can quickly and easily use this new index to find your information quickly however it will take weeks to complete the first time.
I am wondering if I really need Siri AI as I already use Gmail ( which now has AI built in ) and safari with google search ( which incorporates Gemini AI ) which is the same AI Siri uses.
The only difference is my AI is all external and not my information where as Siri AI would be able to use my data.
I am disappointed no one else has posted a detailed and lengthy post like I have and only complain about indexing!
Any bugs I found or could replicate have been submitted.
I only wish I could ask Siri ai to summarise the bugs with iOS 27 developer beta from these forums and not have to read the 68 pages so I asked Gemini in a google search in safari and battery issues ( happens every year due to it being a beta and indexing with or without the notice in settings ) heat issues , wifi complaints and the screen capture not saving a cropped or edited image using markup however as someone posted taking another screenshot fixes the problem.
Thanks for reading this far!
I’ve been testing these betas for many years and love reading the comments on here but not this year!
I personally am not running this beta on my daily driver and have it installed on an old iPhone 12 Pro and all I got was the indexing message And yes it’s still going and a new slider for Liquid Glass but to be fair it’s not really a slider as there is on a little on a little more or fully glass like look so could of easily been a 3 stage setting and not a slider.
No new Siri Ai as the phone is too old and the screen capture bug that prevents screenshots being saved correctly if edited now this bug was in iOS 26 too so I believe when they release a new iOS developer beta they simply start from the same buggy iOS master then add in features and slowly overtime remove bugs add and remove features until a golden master is ready and then make it a release to the public if no huge issues occur.
iOS 27 developer beta is awesome and very fast super fluid and runs amazing on my old hardware without adding almost anything new but it seems way more solid than 26 and this is a huge feature!
Every developer beta always does indexing and battery and heat problems arise when it’s doing so for several days and things get cooler and battery gets better over time.
Indexing has changed for the first time so that AI can quickly and easily use this new index to find your information quickly however it will take weeks to complete the first time.
I am wondering if I really need Siri AI as I already use Gmail ( which now has AI built in ) and safari with google search ( which incorporates Gemini AI ) which is the same AI Siri uses.
The only difference is my AI is all external and not my information where as Siri AI would be able to use my data.
I am disappointed no one else has posted a detailed and lengthy post like I have and only complain about indexing!
Any bugs I found or could replicate have been submitted.
I only wish I could ask Siri ai to summarise the bugs with iOS 27 developer beta from these forums and not have to read the 68 pages so I asked Gemini in a google search in safari and battery issues ( happens every year due to it being a beta and indexing with or without the notice in settings ) heat issues , wifi complaints and the screen capture not saving a cropped or edited image using markup however as someone posted taking another screenshot fixes the problem.
Thanks for reading this far!
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StumpyBloke
macrumors 603
Absolutely. There are too many people here complaining about this beta as if it is a final release. Indexing will take as long as it takes (and who knows, it could be completely bugged at this stage), the screenshot issue where you can’t crop will clearly be fixed, and no doubt soon.
And to add, there is already a dedicated indexing thread, and I wish people would move their posts to that.
COBRASVT
macrumors 6502a
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Apple will never put that message up again after seeing this thread. So odd that people can't understand why it's taking so long. I can't wait for it to be done to have the new Siri at full capacity, but don't care how long it takes. It'll be done when it's done.
surferfb
macrumors 68030
This is a common misconception, but I wanted to flag that Gemini AI is not the same AI Siri uses. What Apple did was work with Google and use Gemini models to help develop Apple’s own AI models. Essentially, they probably started with Google’s models, optimized them to run on Apple Silicon, then retrained them with Apple proprietary data. More info here:
Siri AI is powered by Gemini models, but is not Gemini – what does that mean?
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I don’t have the new Siri yet (Apple, if you’re reading, hurry up please! 🤣 ), so I can’t speak to the results. So entirely possible they’re very similar. But it’s not like Apple is sending everything to Gemini Assistant behind the scenes, or Siri AI is just a white-label version of Gemini.
ghostface147
macrumors 601
Yeah it's very clear where Apple is going with their AI path. Getting info from New Siri is like pulling teeth sometimes. It's very direct with no fluff. I'm sure a good number of people will appreciate that. However it doesn't seem to have much memory. I've told GPT and Gemini some info on investments I have and it remembers it at any random time when I want to pull it back up. New Siri told me nope, due to privacy policies, it doesn't remember what I told it hours earlier. They are going to be very good at it getting you quick info, but not good as a chatbot, which is what some people want for some reason.This is a common misconception, but I wanted to flag that Gemini AI is not the same AI Siri uses. What Apple did was work with Google and use Gemini models to help develop Apple’s own AI models. Essentially, they probably started with Google’s models, optimized them to run on Apple Silicon, then retrained them with Apple proprietary data. More info here:
Siri AI is powered by Gemini models, but is not Gemini – what does that mean?
We know that Siri AI and other Apple Intelligence features are powered by Google’s Gemini models, but Apple has been...
I don’t have the new Siri yet (Apple, if you’re reading, hurry up please! 🤣 ), so I can’t speak to the results. So entirely possible they’re very similar. But it’s not like Apple is sending everything to Gemini Assistant behind the scenes, or Siri AI is just a white-label version of Gemini.
adrianlondon
macrumors 604
Noooooo! I want it done before it's done.
Indexing will continue until morale improves.
Yes, LLMs are slow as heck so I expect this to take weeks when iOS is aggressive about pausing it under most conditions (e.g. when you are actively using your phone or your phone does other more important work compared to generating search embeddings).
spinboy
macrumors regular
The odd thing is I've received several SMS (I assume) messages from UPS about delivery updates which display correctly. Not push notifications, but text messages.
Just realized it's doing it on macOS 27 as well.
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spinboy
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dk001
macrumors demi-god
Good to know, not sure how factually accurate their info is, but the only way that makes sense is if they are indexing your data into their systems in a queue irrespective of the size of your data footprint. Still, that time frame is lame. Sounds more like their indexing model is beta at best.
I’m basing my take on doing corporate erp design and troubleshooting for the last two decades so I could be a bit off.
Please forgive me for the question, but what exactly is this " indexing" that you are talking about? Will it be a problem for the public beta, and/or the eventual full release??
surferfb
macrumors 68030
Indexing is a background process where iOS scans your apps, messages, files, contacts, and other on-device content and builds a searchable database of it. iOS 27 requires a new index for the new spotlight and the Siri AI features to work.
It runs automatically (usually when the phone is idle and charging as to not hamper battery/performance) and re-indexes as content changes. However the initial index has always taken a while, but for iOS 27 it will take a really long time - I’ve heard Apple engineers were telling people at WWDC it might take two weeks.
It might be an issue for the public beta, but probably not for the public release. There are pretty credible rumors that iOS 26.6 is going to do the indexing prior to iOS 27, so the index should already be there when people on the non-beta track update.
That said, if you get a new device it’ll need to re-index; the index stays on device for privacy and security purposes.
trump2024
macrumors member
finally my index process is done leaving charging at work was the best decision
And phone feels faster already omg this is the best beta 1 ever
And phone feels faster already omg this is the best beta 1 ever
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@surferfb... IPhone 17 Pro Max T-Mobile. I'm currently running the 26.6 Beta 2.
Thank you for the indexing information. Well said.
So, will some of the indexing needed for iOS 27 already be going on in my beta version? I'd like to do the 27 Beta, but might wait until the 2nd release of the public version before jumping in.
Thank you for the indexing information. Well said.
So, will some of the indexing needed for iOS 27 already be going on in my beta version? I'd like to do the 27 Beta, but might wait until the 2nd release of the public version before jumping in.
akuma13
macrumors 6502a
The Bluetooth and WiFi disconnect is driving me CRAZY! I hope next weeks update fixes that.