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iOS 4.1 Beta Includes Apple's Planned Signal Bar Changes

BruiserBear said:
It's good that you're still clinging to the hope that somehow AT&T is to blame for this.

Ignoring the fact that Consumer Reports tested the phone in a radio test chamber where no towers are involved, and the iPhone 4 exhibited the antenna flaw on all 3 units they tested.
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It's good that you are somehow able to know what happened in my car w/out being there with me.

I've had 2 instances where I'm not holding my phone, and it's in a case. I'm trying to dial a speakerphone call.. so it's not near my body in any way except to click on someone's name in my contact list. I can see a tower. I know it's an ATT tower. I have 5 bars of signal. I've been near this tower every single day for the past 3 years b/c it's near my kids daycare.

So no. It's not the infamous Consumer Reports antenna design/attenuation issue.
 
So does this mean that instead of having one bar when I'm home I'll have no bars now?

I'm not being sarcastic.
 
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the new bars look ugly ugly ugly
 
ajnicho said:
So holding the phone in my left hand is not a real world scenario??? Go figure
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C'mon, man, you're just looking to be argumentative with this. There's a difference between reproducing an issue with a Death Grip Demo and having it affect the way one actually uses a device.

I hold my phone differently when I'm dialing. When I'm on a call. When I'm web browsing. When I'm flicking through email. When I'm responding to email. When I'm texting. Etc. Etc. Etc. I would imagine you don't use your phone in the exact same grip for all purposes, do you?

There is no question there is an issue. There is no question it needs to be addressed. But anybody claiming -- and once again, not saying you are, but this was the gist of my comment -- that it makes the phone unusable for everybody or is fatally flawed is engaging in hyperbole.
 
Darwing said:
I am in litterally shock... There were two ways apple could try to deal with this issue
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If you're literally in shock, you're probably holding the phone the wrong way -- like with a finger in a wall outlet. ;)
 
Death Grip Test

Can't get my phone to lose the last bar no matter how hard I squeeze. The bars do drop but stop at the first bar. So, I make a call and it works.

This is with no case and my left palm entirely covering the antenna. Still works.
 
Darwing said:
I am in litterally shock... There were two ways apple could try to deal with this issue

A) admit u ****ed up, do a recall on defective devices and fix the hardware issue once and for all so nobody can poke fun of or complaine once it's all said and done with. You will look bad for a few months bit rectify the problem and move on, people will forget and want to buy the phone because they know it works an everyone is happy... They will more than make up the money again once it's fixed...

B) keep pretending people are retarded and issue a software fix. Not only are they admitting that the ip4 signal falls uunlike any other phone on the market BUT they are now making the signal bars bigger and "more accurate" (after 3 years of using the wrong algorithm???)

and have the balls to think that because it will show ur signal weaker but with bigger bars you will be ok with the call dropping more cause you only had 3 bars at the beginning of the call...

This blows my mind, do a recall it's the only way to get through this without destroying future sales for ip4
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I think they are trying to find a solution that is least inconvenient for their customers. If they can fix the problem with software, which is a real possibility, then that would also be the simplest, because then you wouldn't have to be without the phone you purchased for possibly quite awhile. It entirely depends on how long it takes for them to roll out the new software though.

Also, like i said earlier, i'm betting that because of the new antenna configuration, which, quite frankly, is unlike any other phone out there, they probably now have to use new algorithms, and maybe there was a problem with the new algorithms.

P.S. YES SOFTWARE CAN FIX HARDWARE ISSUES. Don't tell me it can't, just wanted to get that out there.
 
Jayomat said:
owow.... folders look bad... I'll stay with categories :S those folder icons just look too "§()%!!°
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The folder icons all look pretty much the same, which kind of defeats the entire point of icons.

I have always thought that the iPhone UI is its worst problem. Even with the improvements, it is nowhere as good as what Palm had last century.
 
RidleyGriff said:
C'mon, man, you're just looking to be argumentative with this. There's a difference between reproducing an issue with a Death Grip Demo and having it affect the way one actually uses a device.

I hold my phone differently when I'm dialing. When I'm on a call. When I'm web browsing. When I'm flicking through email. When I'm responding to email. When I'm texting. Etc. Etc. Etc. I would imagine you don't use your phone in the exact same grip for all purposes, do you?

There is no question there is an issue. There is no question it needs to be addressed. But anybody claiming -- and once again, not saying you are, but this was the gist of my comment -- that it makes the phone unusable for everybody or is fatally flawed is engaging in hyperbole.
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Sure, but not being able to browse the internet or make a call (by naturally holding it in my left hand) is unusable. These are real world scenario's that have an affect on the way I actually use the device.

Texting, gaming, watching videos,facetime - alll work fine because i dont hold it in the same position.

But I didnt buy half a phone. I dont expect half a phone. I get your gist, i dont think you're getting mine.
 
res1233 said:
I think they are trying to find a solution that is least inconvenient for their customers. If they can fix the problem with software, which is a real possibility
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it may be a possibility (software can clearly mitigate the effects of many hardware issues) ... but it is one which they have not claimed they can or will do.
 
People with 4.1 testing the death grip issue, please do 3G speed tests with and without the grip to see if there is an improvement. The display of bars does not necessarily mean anything.
 
Will the "fixed" bars only apply to iPhone 4? I prefer to be fooled into thinking I have better signal than what it actually is on my 3G. :D
 
choddo said:
it may be a possibility (software can clearly mitigate the effects of many hardware issues) ... but it is one which they have not claimed they can or will do.
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Apple is so secretive, I believe anything's possible, but yah, you would have expected them to at least announce that change... But this is apple, it's hard to know for sure what they're going feel okay with announcing.
 
iGrip said:
The folder icons all look pretty much the same, which kind of defeats the entire point of icons.

I have always thought that the iPhone UI is its worst problem. Even with the improvements, it is nowhere as good as what Palm had last century.
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What are you talking about?

The current iPhone UI is one of the biggest strengths of the iPhone. It is very streamlined, easy to understand, and super straightforward.
 
My iPhone 4 must be broke!!!! Everytime I try and duplicate the problem I get another bar added not dropped!:apple:
 
RC83 said:
lol really? I cant even tell which one is the original.. open your eyes :rolleyes:
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really you cant tell the pictures big enough perhaps you should open your eyes ;)

it's not that bad but it doesnt have as good a finesse about it
 
O.M.G. They were actually serious about the bars!
 

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P.S. YES SOFTWARE CAN FIX HARDWARE ISSUES. Don't tell me it can't, just wanted to get that out there.
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No, it can't. Just wanted to get that out there.

If software can fix it, it's not a problem with the hardware by definition. Please just think a little.
 
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