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iOS 4.1 Beta Includes Apple's Planned Signal Bar Changes

http://www.telefonino.net/Apple/Notizie/n24505/iphone-apple-4-telefonino-net.html

No problems in this review with the famous grip as most of iPhone users says on internet boards. In normal use it is rarely a problem and dropped calls on any phone especially smartphones are not a big news in low coverage area. Some have this problem but not all, it is real. But the solution is not a recall because smoeone is screaming, go to an Apple Store and replace your unit or ask for a refund. Most iPhone 4 users are happy with it.
 
CupertinoBob said:
You surely must be an unlucky group. My experience is so different. Seven of my coworkers, my wife, my son, son in law, daughters (3) all have iPhone 4s. Maybe we should head for Las Vegas because we must be very lucky. Not one of us has any of those problems you and your friends have. About these many folks you know who all have these issues, where do you live? Could it be you are not in an AT&T area? Something is funny there.
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YEah, am in an o2 UK area. That's in the UK.

But my friends are on Orange. There goes the network theory.
 
aristotle said:
Had everyone bought a case, I doubt this would even be a story because it would have most likely masked the issue with the small number of defective units.
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I don't find this issue that big of a deal - but "small number of defective units" is just plain wrong. Get real.


Sean006 said:
how the heck do they think this is a fix....

THIS IS NOT A FIX ITS HARDWARE RELATED !!!! U IDIOTS !

HOW IS SOFTWARE GOING TO FIX A HARDWARE PROBLEM...ITS THE ANTENNA !
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You are the idiot for thinking software can't fix an antenna issue. Ever consider error correction? Or some interaction with the hardware that would help resolve the issue? Software controls everything in these phones, it isn't just a matter of "physics" as every unqualified person in this forum seems to think it's ok to shout about.

You really think Apple created an antenna like this explicitly, and put isolation in place and didn't consider a human bridging it? No way.
 
I hate what they've done with the resizing of the bars. It wasn't even an issue and makes the bars look fat and tacky.
 
BruiserBear said:
It's funny seeing the "I don't have this problem" people still shouting about it.

The antenna problems are a design flaw, and thus every phone has it. You do not have a special version of the phone, even if you haven't seen this problem. Stop kidding yourself. All the phones have an antenna flaw.
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Thanks Jesus!! Give us the truth!

PS: most of users don't have the problem even gripping it like idiots a thing you will not do in any case in real life usage.
 
BruiserBear said:
It's funny seeing the "I don't have this problem" people still shouting about it.

The antenna problems are a design flaw, and thus every phone has it. You do not have a special version of the phone, even if you haven't seen this problem. Stop kidding yourself. All the phones have an antenna flaw.
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Because there is a HUGE difference between the phone having a design issue and it actually affecting me. If it has no effect then it's not a problem. If the 4 works better than my 3G then I don't care about attenuation.

Plus I still think AT&T is doing something funky. I've had issues where I'm within 100 yards of an ATT tower and I cannot place a call. It's like the phone insists on connecting to some other tower someplace and not this nice shiny one nearby. I've now had this happy in proximity of 2 towers.
 
macduke said:
I took the images from 4.1 and compared them to my 4.0 iPhone 4...
tallerbars.gif
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CRAP! I almost forgot.... That reminds me, I need to take-up the Christmas Pan-flute this year for our annual Enchanted Christmas Show. Thanks MD! :D
 
ikir said:
http://www.telefonino.net/Apple/Notizie/n24505/iphone-apple-4-telefonino-net.html

No problems in this review with the famous grip as most of iPhone users says on internet boards. In normal use it is rarely a problem and dropped calls on any phone especially smartphones are not a big news in low coverage area. Some have this problem but not all, it is real. But the solution is not a recall because smoeone is screaming, go to an Apple Store and replace your unit or ask for a refund. Most iPhone 4 users are happy with it.
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I've been happy with my 3g and 3gs, but when I cant even keep a call going with my brother then there is a problem.

Do you want to know why I wont buy another phone from another manufacturer? Because I've spent so much money in the Appstore - they've got me by the b@lls.
 
floam said:
And the taller bars are silly of course.
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It addresses a feedback item Apple received for years but was constrained by AT&T advertising displaying a particular graphic front and center. They got AT&T consent.

Also it is a readily identifiable visual difference to show a device is at least updated to iOS 4.1.

Beyond that the value is minimal at best.

Let's take bets. Will Apple provide a Post-It-tm brand sticker to complaining iPhone 4 users, issue a plastic rim part, or offer a post-modification iPhone 4 week 35 for a $100 upgrade fee to account for the "additional features"?

Rocketman
 
ajnicho said:
Have you seen the many videos out there? I loaded BBC online on my iPhone, held the phone firmly in my left hand, not too tight and within about 5 seconds the signal dropped out and I got the "No internet connection" pop up. Funny it happened with both my phones, my fathers phone and both my friends. Also funny that my 3GS worked fine in all scenarios.

edit: Ridley, it affects me.
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Yes, I've seen the videos, and the news reports, and read the newspaper articles, and listened to people who don't own an iPhone lecture to me about how my phone is supposed to have this horrible problem....which it doesn't...
When my iPhone4 starts giving me trouble. I will repost to this site, and state as such. My ego won't cause me to have problems with admitting that.
As of this time, I have yet to notice any problems with the call signals, and have not had a dropped call since I purchased it. And yes, I use it, and make calls on it daily.
 
Chad H said:
My phone works fine. With a case, without a case, left hand, right hand, outside, inside, and upside down. It just works. I'm sorry if this is so hard for you to believe but it does.
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When I am at my family's house, I have the same experience as you. I always have a full 5 bars and no matter how hard I grip the phone in that spot, it's always at 5 bars.

Now, it's a different story when I'm at the office. At the office, I have 5 full bars when I pull my phone out of my pocket. As soon as I as little as gently touch the band between the antennas on the left size of the phone, the bars drop. In about 10 seconds, they go from 5 to 1, then about 10 seconds later I lose all bars and get "Searching...". You can now imagine, if I don't have my bumper on at work, I cannot make a call for longer than a few seconds before it drops. I've worked at this same office for over 5.5 years and always had AT&T with various phones, including iPhone 3G and 3GS. I never once had my bars drop below 3, and never even had a call quality issue, let alone a dropped call. The other 4 people in the office with the iPhone 4 have the same exact result as me when touching the phone on the bottom left side.

So, everyone's iPhone 4 has the antenna problem. It's not noticeable in good to great signal areas, but is very noticeable in areas that have poor to okay signal.

Also, I have a MicroCell at home, and I actually drop calls on it with my iPhone 4, sitting about 20 feet from the MicroCell. This kind of makes sense, since the MicroCell doesn't put out the power of a cell tower.
 
Dr Kevorkian94 said:
im downloding it now ill see if it helps the ISSUE, and it looks like iphone 4 gets game center now.
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It could be that Game Center is available on the 4.1 beta for the same reason it was on the original 4.0 betas (so developers can test it out), doesn't mean Apple's finished testing it yet.
 
mattster16 said:
Hmm. If only there were some kind of remedy for that. LIKE RETURNING IT AND GETTING YOUR MONEY BACK! :eek::confused:
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Right on my man. Why don't these poor folks return the phone, get their money back and never post here again. Get themselves a droid and life will be perfect and no need to every cry again. Me, I am happy as a pig in mud with my iP4.
 
ajnicho said:
I dont recall saying I do. But dont you find it odd and a little bit more of a coincidence that it's not just one or two phones of my friends phones, but all.

Are we all just unlucky?
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Or as a study 3 years ago determined that 80%+ of people tend to exaggerate their claims to expand their ego and importance of claims made. Are you one of them? BTW its human nature to exaggerate....
 
No mention of the proximity fix? If this is not addressed I will be returning my iPhone.. the antenna thing has never been a issue for me, but hanging up, muting, hitting buttons on every call has!:mad:
 
diesel said:
I just can't wrap my head around the notion that after 3+ years........Apple still haven't figured out how to properly "calculate" and display signal strength? Not just apple, but also AT&T which has how many decades of experience?

WTF
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It isn't that, it's because they're using an antenna system that has never been tried before. It most likely needs new calculations for its signal strength to be 100% accurate, since the case is no longer in the way of the signal, and these "antennas" are a very new design, quite frankly, I'm not surprised that apple is having some trouble with the new design. This is why you don't buy version 1.0 people, yes it is the fourth iPhone, but this antenna system is version 1.0.
 
Sean006 said:
how the heck do they think this is a fix....

THIS IS NOT A FIX ITS HARDWARE RELATED !!!! U IDIOTS !

HOW IS SOFTWARE GOING TO FIX A HARDWARE PROBLEM...ITS THE ANTENNA !

ADMIT IT APPLE !!!!
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Breath deeply. Calm down.

As has been said a hundred times:

1) You nor CR nor anyone else can say for sure that there is an antenna issue. You can observe behavior and you can make educated guesses and you may well be proven correct. But to date, the only people that know for sure work for Apple.

2) Even if it is eventually proven that the antenna design is flawed (and it sure appears to be) there is no reason at this point to conclude that a baseband firmware change can't mitigate the flaw to a sufficient degree.

Give Apple time to respond. The damn phone's not even been out a month yet.
 
ajnicho said:
Have you seen the many videos out there? I loaded BBC online on my iPhone, held the phone firmly in my left hand, not too tight and within about 5 seconds the signal dropped out and I got the "No internet connection" pop up. Funny it happened with both my phones, my fathers phone and both my friends. Also funny that my 3GS worked fine in all scenarios.

edit: Ridley, it affects me.
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The question is not can you reproduce the issue; all phones are clearly affected. This issue is "does it affect you in real world usage"? These are two distinct, separate things, and there's no need to conflate the two. I can time out my data connection by placing my hand along the black strip. Is there any circumstance where I would consciously place my finger across the black strip when actually using it? No.

If you commonly hold your phone "firmly, not too tight" in your left hand when using data as you describe, then I can imagine your frustration. I'm a fellow left hand holder, and don't.

Denying that it is simply not a real world problem for most people is as silly as denying their is an issue in the first place. Not saying that's what you're doing, but at this point, many/most of the antenna complainers are. Everybody needs to take a step back on the rhetoric, imo.
 
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