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iOS 4.2 to Bring More Performance Improvements to iPhone 3G?
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I've a perfectly good, working 3G phone (I admit, general paranoia made me wait in case a emergency update came along). I owe some money I really should pay back first before getting a "want" such as the iPhone 4 - so bug off.
Still should stick with 3.1.3 if I have it, though?I can informally confirm this... iOS 4.2 on the 3G seems quite usable (and i have a 3GS and 4 to compare it to). Pinching/zooming/panning around web pages is still much smoother than on my motorola Droid.
I should sue Verizon for the choppy web browsing on it
"They" being Apple, the users, or both?
And the difference there is, either you can't install the new OS, or if you can and it doesn't run right, you can still easily go back to what you had before.
yes - anyone can download it if you know where to look for it on their website - catch is, unless it's an original iPhone or such, they are not validating it when it does the initial call home on installation for anything but 4.1.
Also, if your phone is 3.1.3, then you've the newest version of iOS you can use - 3.2 is the iPad only version of iOS.
I have a friend with a 3G and iOS 4.1 and it does work, albeit slow, but it does work. So I cannot see suingover this. If iOS 4.x rendered a 3G totally inoperable then by all means file the litigation.
I am not a lawyer, but if they did in fact do this (lock 3G owners into iOS 4 with no option to downgrade) intentionally to get people to buy new devices, they absolutely should be sued. I don't know how you'd gather evidence for this, though...
I believe Apple did an hour and a half long conference where they touted iOS4 as the second coming of Christ. They made no mention of if you upgrade your 3g will basically be unusable. I must have missed that part. Keep being an irrational apologist.
Yes, the way IOS4 ruined the 3G was unacceptable. Considering most average users would just click 'yes' (as normal) when told of a software update by their computer - to suddenly have their phone become unusable!
And with no way for the average user to go back to IOS3 this was awful. 4.1 helped a lot but from my experience is is still a country mile from IOS3. Glad to hear 4.2 is improving still.
And with no way for the average user to go back to IOS3 this was awful. 4.1 helped a lot but from my experience is is still a country mile from IOS3. Glad to hear 4.2 is improving still.
But in those OS scenerios there was a minimum system requirements stated. Both Windows 7 and Snow Leopard state what you needed to run them. I recall iOS4 stating you needs a iPhone 3G or higher. So why would someone not expect it to run on a 3G. Apple even mentioned the limitations. No background, multitasking. Apple did not mentioned slow performance.
Yeah, I think too many people are missing the point to the original post.
4.2 seems to be a significant improvement in performance for the iPhone 3G. That's great news.
The original roll out of 4.0 to iPhone 3G sucked, Apple admitted there were performance issues. Apple made some improvements in 4.1. Now 4.2 seems to be another big step forward.
I'm impressed to see 4.2 running so smoothly on the iPhone 3G. It's great news.
4.2 seems to be a significant improvement in performance for the iPhone 3G. That's great news.
The original roll out of 4.0 to iPhone 3G sucked, Apple admitted there were performance issues. Apple made some improvements in 4.1. Now 4.2 seems to be another big step forward.
I'm impressed to see 4.2 running so smoothly on the iPhone 3G. It's great news.
Great, send me a check! My contract is up in July, so you can make it out for the $399 upgrade fee.
I haven't seen any from iTunes, I go here to grab earlier firmware. http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/
Thanks - that's a useful link.
Although, it is a bit worrying downloading your phone's firmware from a 3rd party site like that. It puts you very much at risk if that file has been altered.
Still, it's a concern. If Apple don't offer 3.x iOS downloads, then many users are left with the following options, none of them particularly appealing:
- Buy no more apps.
- Upgrade to iOS 4, which won't perform well on an iPhone 3G.
- Download iOS 3.x from a 3rd party site (potentially risky!)
- Replace a perfectly good iPhone
I'm running the GM of iOS 4.2 on my iPhone 3G and it's a huge improvement. Before the upgrade, on iOS 4.1 (which helped a little with the 4.0 issues), I was seeing major lags in the system trying to close an app, answer a call, type a text and so on and so on. Not only is everything as fast or faster than it was on iOS 3.1.3 now, but my battery life is exponentially longer. I normally charge my 3G on my Sony alarm clock radio overnight and at the end of every day with normal usage I would be down to almost 20% (red zone) battery life. However I installed iOS 4.2 the day before yesterday and forgot to charge it last night like I normally do. Even with my Wi-Fi turned on all day yesterday, I still had 3/4 of my battery left this morning! If this extended battery life holds true then I could only think that iOS 4.1 and before were literally sucking my battery life away with some poorly coded processes.
All I can do is hope! Anyone else seeing improved battery performance?
If this extended battery life holds true then I could only think that iOS 4.1 and before were literally sucking my battery life away with some poorly coded processes. All I can do is hope! Anyone else seeing improved battery performance?
I'd rather get it from Apple but it's not meant to be.
EDIT: Here it is.
http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite...00202.pbnrt/iPhone1,2_3.1.3_7E18_Restore.ipsw
The update said it was for my phone that it was compatible and the same goes for millions of other users. The fact that it's one click and there's no way to downgrade and that iTunes prompted users to install it is more than enough grounds to sue apple.
Sure I could have chose not to update it, but I could also choose not to install security updates on my mac. It's not the end users fault.
Thanks - someone (see below) posted the very link. I have 3.0 installed, and didn't see much reason to upgrade to the point releases; until recently I've noticed almost all app purchases require 3.1.2 or higher.
I'd rather get it from Apple but it's not meant to be.
EDIT: Here it is.
http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite...00202.pbnrt/iPhone1,2_3.1.3_7E18_Restore.ipsw
Perfick! Much appreciated!
Thanks - someone (see below) posted the very link. I have 3.0 installed, and didn't see much reason to upgrade to the point releases; until recently I've noticed almost all app purchases require 3.1.2 or higher.
Perfick! Much appreciated!
As for the error you will receive upon install (1014 or 1015) download the free Recboot utility to kick the iPhone out of restore mode.
Skew the results?
I have the 3G and yes, Apple screwed me big-time with the 4.0 update. Took me all weekend to re-install 3.x in order to make it work again. This followed the thong 'bumper' they released along side the iPhone-4 in order to make that work! Sorry Steve Jobs, not a third time with me. MS WP7 is replacing my iPhone. Sure, it isn't as refined and cool as the iPhone-4 but I buy from people I trust, so its Microsoft's turn in that department.
Regards,
Former Apple fanboy since 1984
I have the 3G and yes, Apple screwed me big-time with the 4.0 update. Took me all weekend to re-install 3.x in order to make it work again. This followed the thong 'bumper' they released along side the iPhone-4 in order to make that work! Sorry Steve Jobs, not a third time with me. MS WP7 is replacing my iPhone. Sure, it isn't as refined and cool as the iPhone-4 but I buy from people I trust, so its Microsoft's turn in that department.
Regards,
Former Apple fanboy since 1984
I have the 3G and yes, Apple screwed me big-time with the 4.0 update. Took me all weekend to re-install 3.x in order to make it work again. This followed the thong 'bumper' they released along side the iPhone-4 in order to make that work! Sorry Steve Jobs, not a third time with me. MS WP7 is replacing my iPhone.
Regards,
Former Apple fanboy since 1984
Is windows 7 mobile any good?
Too early to tell by the looks of things. Mine hasn't even arrived yet, though I'm already expecting a ramp-up period of growing pains just like I went through with Apple and iPhone. The WP7 interface does look a lot nicer than the iOS but only time will tell. I'm game...
Anyway, early shopper reviews sound pretty good but that certainly isn't much to go on. I figure if MS is willing to spend enough on the platform, they 'may' catch up with the iPhone in no time. I admit its risky to change over at this point, but this doesn't mean I'm giving up on Apple just yet. I have about 20k in Apple gear in my office as I type!
I simply don't want to be owned by cheap tactics and greed and yes, I'm going with MS out of principle. Plus, the WP7 seems pretty significant as an OS.
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Of course not. I do see people occasionally complaining about the speed of the 3GS, but I personally don't think it is an issue. The 3GS is significantly faster than the 3G or original iPhone. I own both a 3GS and a 4, and the 3GS seems to run at about the same speed as the 4 for normal tasks.
NO, you took it as the 2nd coming of Christ. The 3G is not unusable, slower yes unusable no.
If they didn't release it for the 3G people would be complaining that they abandoned them. No matter what they would have done people would be complaining. They can't win. Be happy they are supporting it and still trying to make it better.
This is a black and white issue. You're defending Apple for releasing, by their own admission, a sub-par product. This isn't a beta version people were downloading. It's a version that was supposed to have been subject to months of rigorous testing. Further, the average user is not going to research a software update they get alerted to in iTunes...If most people thought to do that, that really is a condemnation of Apple's status as a quality software company.
3G users have been dealing with this poor performance for 5 months now. Considering the lifecycle of a device as a "current gen" product is 12 months, exactly how long should some consumers wait with no solutions from the manufacturer before legal compensation is considered?
Apple screwed up again. As long as certain people continue giving them a free pass then expecations will become lower and lower. Apple is held to a high standard for a reason. We expect a lot from them. That's part of the premium way pay for their products. This iOS 4.x situation shouldn't be acceptable and the enduser should not be held to blame for trusting Apple.