iOS 4.2 to Bring More Performance Improvements to iPhone 3G?

[nooaah]

What a terrible comparison.

Yup, he should have read the Windows 7 system requirements before installing it on 11 year old hardware.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/system-requirements



Pretty sure Apple says the 3G meets the system requirements for iOS 4.0. But it's always everyone else's fault.

 

[Digital Dude]

Yup, he should have read the Windows 7 system requirements before installing it on 11 year old hardware.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/system-requirements



Pretty sure Apple says the 3G meets the system requirements for iOS 4.0. But it's always everyone else's fault.

Yes indeed Apple said iOS 4 was compatible with the iPhone 3G. If you are to believe Apple, they were completely unaware of the performance issues prior to its release. That would mean nobody at Apple thought to turn on an iPhone 3G to make or receive a phone call before it was launched.

 

[mdelvecchio]

This followed the thong 'bumper' they released along side the iPhone-4 in order to make that work!

what are you talking about? my iphone4 works flawlessly sans bumper or case.

MS WP7 is replacing my iPhone. Sure, it isn't as refined and cool as the iPhone-4 but I buy from people I trust

MS and "trust"...bahahah.

Sorry Steve Jobs, not a third time with me.
Regards,
Former Apple fanboy since 1984

if i try really hard, i can hear him weeping... who knew he read this website!

 

[mdelvecchio]

Yes indeed Apple said iOS 4 was compatible with the iPhone 3G.

hmm. well, as an avid gamer, its a long-standing fact that there is a very real difference between "compatible" and "optimal". many games can be purchased for a computer and are playable, but just not super great. in fact the same goes for any productivity software, too.

 

[AndyR]

No one is forcing 3G users to update. If you don't like the performance, stay at 3.x.

And what about all the apps that require 4.x ?

Plus Apple at least need to give you the option to get back to 3.x easily if you want. My 3G was fine on 3.x but as soon as I went to 4 its became a complete piece of junk. I'm tech savy enough to have got it back to 3.x and now have it jail broken giving me pretty much all the features I wanted from 4 and it runs much better.

Plus most people will just plug there phone in and will get an update request and go, oh cool I'll do that. If it bricks there phone then Apple are not sticking to there It Just Works philosophy.

Plus, not everyone cane afford to upgrade there phone every time a new version comes out, just because Apple makes the next software release run like a dog on previous phones. I certainly can't so I'm stuck with my 3G for a bit longer.

 

[WeegieMac]

"Wofford claims that Apple was aware that iOS 4 would cause degraded performance on older iPhones, and she accused Apple of purposely creating an incentive for customers to purchase newer iPhones."

Sorry, but regardless of iOS4.0's performance on the iPhone 3G, I didn't need any "incentive" or push by Apple to go out and buy the iPhone 4.

The iPhone 3G is old hardware, it's no more powerful than the first generation iPhone except for adding a 3G/GPS chipset. Apple should actually be commended for trying to keep a dead horse alive by even supporting it into iOS4, if I were the team at Apple I'd have left the 3G out along with the original iPhone.

However, if Apple had done that there would be ANOTHER lawsuit filed by some idiot who would moan that Apple had abandoned their device.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Let's be blunt and honest here, post 2.2 the iPhone 3G is a laggy piece of crud. It's woefully under specced compared to the latest handsets from not only Apple, but HTC, Motorola, Nokia, etc. It was usable on 3.0, but 4.0 was a step too far even without multi-tasking and homescreen wallpaper which, contrary to the sceptics on here, the 3G cannot handle. Even jailbroken iPhone 3G handsets prior to 4.0 would struggle with Winterboard themes; I know this from experience.

As I said, Apple can't win. They're sued by the lawsuit happy Americans if they release an update and they're sued by the same people if they don't who claim they're abandoning them.

There is no incentive or agenda being forced by Apple to make you buy the iPhone 4 or even latest HTC handset. Using the iPhone 3G, even on 3.0, and then using an iPhone or Desire is more than enough to make the most sensible user think, "This handset is showing it's age".

 

[coolfactor]

It's probably been said, but I think that lawsuit is bogus. Apple didn't force users to upgrade their iPhones. It wasn't mandatory. Users chose to, so how can Apple be held responsible for that? And users can also roll-back to older firmware, so they are not locked in. Proof is that Apple is continuing to improve the situation on their own dime, as promised and within the limitations of hardware configurations.

 

[WeegieMac]

And what about all the apps that require 4.x ?

3G owners, like original generation owners, will have to be left behind by certain developers as the devices become more powerful.

My God, you don't hear people unfortunate enough to still own a PlayStation moan about their console not playing the latest PlayStation 3 games.

It's called progression, and one day the iPhone 3GS and then the iPhone 4 will be left behind in the big tech graveyard to rot as better tech takes priority.

 

[Digital Dude]

hmm. well, as an avid gamer, its a long-standing fact that there is a very real difference between "compatible" and "optimal". many games can be purchased for a computer and are playable, but just not super great. in fact the same goes for any productivity software, too.

I fully agree with you. However, there is also a difference between not working well, and not working at all. The very first time I received a call, I had to keep swiping the 'unlock' slider in order to answer a phone call. In many cases it simply rolled to voice mail. I can tell by your post, you didn't have a 3G with iOS 4 installed.

 

[Cander]

"Wofford claims that Apple was aware that iOS 4 would cause degraded performance on older iPhones, and she accused Apple of purposely creating an incentive for customers to purchase newer iPhones."

Sorry, but regardless of iOS4.0's performance on the iPhone 3G, I didn't need any "incentive" or push by Apple to go out and buy the iPhone 4.

The iPhone 3G is old hardware, it's no more powerful than the first generation iPhone except for adding a 3G/GPS chipset. Apple should actually be commended for trying to keep a dead horse alive by even supporting it into iOS4, if I were the team at Apple I'd have left the 3G out along with the original iPhone.

However, if Apple had done that there would be ANOTHER lawsuit filed by some idiot who would moan that Apple had abandoned their device.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Let's be blunt and honest here, post 2.2 the iPhone 3G is a laggy piece of crud. It's woefully under specced compared to the latest handsets from not only Apple, but HTC, Motorola, Nokia, etc. It was usable on 3.0, but 4.0 was a step too far even without multi-tasking and homescreen wallpaper which, contrary to the sceptics on here, the 3G cannot handle. Even jailbroken iPhone 3G handsets prior to 4.0 would struggle with Winterboard themes; I know this from experience.

As I said, Apple can't win. They're sued by the lawsuit happy Americans if they release an update and they're sued by the same people if they don't who claim they're abandoning them.

There is no incentive or agenda being forced by Apple to make you buy the iPhone 4 or even latest HTC handset. Using the iPhone 3G, even on 3.0, and then using an iPhone or Desire is more than enough to make the most sensible user think, "This handset is showing it's age".

Apple wasn't sued for 'abandoning' the first iPhone so your entire premise is flawed.

 

[Digital Dude]

what are you talking about? my iphone4 works flawlessly sans bumper or case.



MS and "trust"...bahahah.



if i try really hard, i can hear him weeping... who knew he read this website!

Thank you for your input, and I included this reference for your fulfillment and education. This also applies to rhetorical satire.

Rhetorical statement: http://www.ehow.com/how_5133343_write-rhetorical-statements.html

 

[mdatwood]

My God, you don't hear people unfortunate enough to still own a PlayStation moan about their console not playing the latest PlayStation 3 games.

My PS still plays all my PS games perfectly. When Sony pushes out an update that makes my PS run as poorly as the iPhone 3G does with iOS 4 then you will have a valid comparison.

What Apple needs to do is simply give people an easy way to down grade to the previous OS. Problem solved.

 

[AndyR]

3G owners, like original generation owners, will have to be left behind by certain developers as the devices become more powerful.

My God, you don't hear people unfortunate enough to still own a PlayStation moan about their console not playing the latest PlayStation 3 games.

It's called progression, and one day the iPhone 3GS and then the iPhone 4 will be left behind in the big tech graveyard to rot as better tech takes priority.

I agree. But Sony don't release a new PlayStation or Microsoft a new XBox every year. The current 360 is 6 years old and PS3 the same, so having to buy a new $500 console every 6 years to stay current isn't too bad.

To have to buy a new $500 or higher phone every 12 months to be able to keep buying Apps is a bit of big ask!!!

Would you think the same if Apple brought out new laptops & OS each year, and then crippled the the previous years laptops on the new OS?

 

[WeegieMac]

Apple wasn't sued for 'abandoning' the first iPhone so your entire premise is flawed.

I never said they were sued for abandoning the first iPhone, so your entire post is presumptuous, misinformed, and uneducated. READ what I post, I'm an educated bloke who takes time to write his thoughts, don't skim then post your retort.

I said that IF Apple had not supported the iPhone 3G with iOS4.0, no doubt some lawsuit happy American WOULD have sued Apple for not supporting their device. By that, I mean that Apple are damned if they do and damned if they don't because someone, somewhere is waiting to pounce.

Apple done iPhone 3G users a massive favour by even considering working on iOS4.0 for their device. Sure, it's been buggy, but the hardware is limited compared to the current generation of devices from all manufacturers. Sure, because of this "lawsuit", Apple are having to spend further time working on iOS4.0 when they should have dropped support for the 3G altogether as it is nothing but the original iPhone with a 3G and GPS chipset. Same processor, same RAM, just faster networking and GPS. You know this of course, I don't intend to belittle you.

However, to return to your original complaint. I never once said Apple were sued for not supporting the original iPhone, I simply stated that while this person sued Apple for allegedly forcing her, or attempting to force her, to upgrade her device there is every chance that had Apple not supported the iPhone 3G with 4.0, that the same person would have sued for not being supported at all.

In other words, they need to shut up and stop complaining. They have old hardware, not only in relation to the iPhone 4, but to other handsets across the market.

There is no devine right to any update or degree of performance, and of course you upgrade at your own risk. If they can't run newer apps, then tough. Technology moves on, and the iPhone 3GS will be next to be left behind and eventually so too will the iPhone 4.

Although, I do not appreciate having to repeat myself.

 

[WeegieMac]

I agree. But Sony don't release a new PlayStation or Microsoft a new XBox every year. The current 360 is 6 years old and PS3 the same, so having to buy a new $500 console every 6 years to stay current isn't too bad.

To have to buy a new $500 or higher phone every 12 months to be able to keep buying Apps is a bit of big ask!!!

Would you think the same if Apple brought out new laptops & OS each year, and then crippled the the previous years laptops on the new OS?

Firstly, the Xbox 360 will be 5 years old in November (US/Canada) and December (UK), since it launched in 2005.

The PlayStation 3 launched the following year, in November 2006 in the US and March 2007 in the UK. I was at midnight launches for both consoles here in the UK ... the PS3 one was interesting, blokes with walkie talkies all around Glasgow City Centre scouting for units and offering people cash as they left GameStation stores.

But my God, was it really that long ago? Consoles make me feel my age more than my kids.

Anyway, that's another topic.

I'm not a fan of Apple updating their devices annually if I'm honest, and I do fear that one day their marketing ploy with the iPhone and soon the iPad, will come to the Mac.

 

[AndyR]

Firstly, the Xbox 360 will be 5 years old in November (US/Canada) and December (UK), since it launched in 2005.

The PlayStation 3 launched the following year, in November 2006 in the US and March 2007 in the UK. I was at midnight launches for both consoles here in the UK ... the PS3 one was interesting, blokes with walkie talkies all around Glasgow City Centre scouting for units and offering people cash as they left GameStation stores.

But my God, was it really that long ago? Consoles make me feel my age more than my kids.

Anyway, that's another topic.

I'm not a fan of Apple updating their devices annually if I'm honest, and I do fear that one day their marketing ploy with the iPhone and soon the iPad, will come to the Mac.

Thanks, didn't know the exact dates so plucked of my head. God I feel old now

 

[Digital Dude]

My PS still plays all my PS games perfectly. When Sony pushes out an update that makes my PS run as poorly as the iPhone 3G does with iOS 4 then you will have a valid comparison.

What Apple needs to do is simply give people an easy way to down grade to the previous OS. Problem solved.

Actually, they did… eventually. However, in the interim they denied the problem. Frankly, I’m use to this from every company and especially Apple.

What made this ordeal so egregious was it followed the cascade of issues with the iPhone-4 deployment. None of the single issues with the iPhone-4 were all that bad; rather, it was the culmination of issues combined with the iOS 4 and 3G debacle that was hard to accept. For me, it was ‘the straw that broke the camels back’.

 

[morespce54]

I understand what you're saying but it's not like a normal computer where software gets more demanding so you have to upgrade your hardware or be left behind. With the iPhone 3G, it was sold with iOS 3 which was perfectly usuable on the device but with iOS 4 the device is mind-numbingly slow and you can't easily roll back to the previous version. As such, what was once a usuable device under iOS 3 is now essentially unusuable in iOS 4. The fact Apple cut back on the functionality of iOS 4 on the 3G they should have ensured that the basic speed of the device didn't degrade significantly.

Apple should either provide an easy way for 3G owners to roll back to iOS 3 or speed up iOS 4 to bring the 3G back to it's original speed.

I don't think it's fair since iOS 4 doesn't really offer that much extra compared to iOS 3 on an iPhone 3G and it really isn't nice for a phone to go from acceptable to unacceptable with one software 'upgrade'. I think Apple should have included the iPhone 3G with the Original iPhone as devices which are unsupported on iOS 4.

True plus the fact that if you have any problem with a 3G phone and go to an Apple Store to get some help, the first thing that the Genius will tell you is "have you apply all the latest updates?"... At least, that's what they told to my friend...

 

[WeegieMac]

My PS still plays all my PS games perfectly. When Sony pushes out an update that makes my PS run as poorly as the iPhone 3G does with iOS 4 then you will have a valid comparison.

What Apple needs to do is simply give people an easy way to down grade to the previous OS. Problem solved.

People here are superb at utterly missing the point that someone posts.

I never mentioned the PS getting updated. People are moaning that the older iPhones will not support Apps for future firmware's since they will not be supported, ie: iPhone 1 cannot play iOS4 apps and iPhone 3G will, I would imagine, not play iOS5 apps.

You don't hear PlayStation 1 owners complaining because their old hardware does not play the newest games, ie: those on the PlayStation 3, because they acknowledge that their hardware is old, decrepit, and needs replacing to keep up with the latest software.

Do you understand now?

 

[morespce54]

They just should have never put 4.0 on the 3G. That would have solved this problem quickly and easily.

Yep, they should have follow the Apple big red warning sign saying: "Owners of 3G iPhone, DO NOT UPGRADE"...
...Oh, wait a minute... Where did I saw that warning again?...

 

[Digital Dude]

Yep, they should have follow the Apple big red warning sign saying: "Owners of 3G iPhone, DO NOT UPGRADE"...
...Oh, wait a minute... Where did I saw that warning again?...

That really is the sad part. Apple could have easily disallowed the update on 3G's just like they do with any other update, whereby the system identifies the hardware as not compatible. Instead, they went ahead and poured more egg on their face.

In the past year, Apple has moved very quickly on products and services and that’s great! Unfortunately, they can no longer use the tagline that helped make them famous ‘It just works’.

 

[OSXconvert]

If iOS4.0 runs on 3G, then it should run with acceptable performance

I have no problem with Apple improving their iOS, in fact, I welcome it. The major issue with the iPhone is that one is chained to ATT and its expensive 2-year contract. If you bought a 3G at the end of its lifecycle, you had quite a wait before a 4G phone became somewhat affordable, $2-300 versus $6-700. Performance of iOS 4 sucks on a 3G phone, things noticeably got slower and sometimes I have to wait nearly 30 seconds to regain control of my phone especially if I'm trying to read email. Totally unacceptable. Apple should fix the iOS so it runs better on the 3G, make it easy to revert to iOS 3.X, or offer a cheaper loyal customer upgrade path. Take a ****** ATT 3G network, combine it with a 3G running iOS4, and you have a lot of unhappy customers very eager to join a class action lawsuit. I love Apple, but their recent trend in monopoly control makes me worried that they are on the fast-track to becoming the next Microsoft.

 

[morespce54]

they've been doing this for years with macs.

It's simple, when your apple device is over a year old, do not under any circumstances upgrade the software expecting better performance.
The newer software is built for different hardware, (and to drive sales) and will gum up your older hardware.

Moral of the story:
"improvements are not always improvements."

Oh- and I'm 100% happy with my iPhone 3 (not 3gs) after downgrading to 3.1.3 a couple of months ago. Works fine, and I'll upgrade when I see the Verizon offering.

Downgrading is lots easier than a lawsuit!

thank you to the brilliant person who facilitated that downgrade for us in the cyberworld.

Does that include "Security updates, Safari, iPhoto and etc." updates?
Just to out of curiosity...

And by the way, you know that downgrading your iOS is the same as jailbreaking your phone as long as Apple is concerned, right?
Say bye to your Applecare...

 

[morespce54]

...Apple could have just as easily have said "sorry iPhone 3G owners, you can't run iOS 4.x". Instead they have been trying to squeeze performance out of an old platform for a relatively small number of users...

And they failed! Big time...

...Their biggest user base for iPhone 3G is probably in countries where iPhone is not sold by Apple and folks have been selling second-hand iPhone 3G units there that were obtained through mass buy-backs...

Say what???

 

[wizard]

The bugs that cause slow performance on 3G also slow newer hardware.

upgrade to a newer phone, people

The problem with 4.0 is that Apple basically issued a piece of crap software/OS. The performance is especially bad on older hardware but it impacts newer hardware just as much.

Frankly everyone should be appalled at the way this release was handled. A buggy power hungry OS is not what Apple wants to be releasing. It is notable that all models have had battery issues due to 4.0 which where only modestly improved in 4.1. Even now 4.1 has more bugs and issues than it should.

So I'd agree with you if it was actually a performance issue, but that isn't the case. Rather it is a crap software release that is the issue.