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iOS 5 to Finally Deliver Over-The-Air Updates?
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This would be a most welcome addition! (well if they did it in the UK too..).
If they managed to make them so you didn't have to download the whole OS each time there was a tiny tiny update then even that would be more fun (whether it be wireless or via itunes as it is now).
It's just annoying having to wait a good hour on my ridiculously slow internet to download updates
If they managed to make them so you didn't have to download the whole OS each time there was a tiny tiny update then even that would be more fun (whether it be wireless or via itunes as it is now).
It's just annoying having to wait a good hour on my ridiculously slow internet to download updates
umm no i'm grandfathered on att unlimited data plan.
Never ranted on anyone... he said
(I hadn't made any comment on the matter, but thanks for your concern)
I was simply letting him know that the reason other posters were saying this is because the CFO of verizon said it himself.
Can I help you with anything else Mr. forum police?
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I meant when they do put caps on.
By the way I use like 2 gigs a week on AT&T and they leave me alone
Bonds79 said:
I meant when they do put caps on.
By the way I use like 2 gigs a week on AT&T and they leave me alone
Oh freakin' joy.
665Mb over AT&T's EDGE network here in Asshat, America will tie up every cell tower within 50 miles and take my iP4 days to update. No thanks - I'll disable it.
They just capped us home and business owners (DSL and Fiber)...
I would imagine that wireless will follow. AT&T and Verizon will have to honor contracts for the time being. But when the contract is over...
They just capped us home and business owners (DSL and Fiber)...
I would imagine that wireless will follow. AT&T and Verizon will have to honor contracts for the time being. But when the contract is over...
I don't know if they "legally" are required to, but even when your two year contract is up they don't change it to one of their "new plans"
They will allow you to be grandfathered in as long as you wish, and as long as you continue to pay your monthly bill. Even when you extend a new 2 year contract and buy a new phone, you are agreeing to keep the service for 2 years, but they will allow you to stay on your original plan. That's how we are allowed to have unlimited data and iPhone 4's.
did you read the first 9 words of my post?
here i'll repost it for you:
I was just saying, this is what they do...
Hell I even remember when the Palm Pre was released on Sprint talking with some people who had some premier type account (don't remember the name) from way back when that was not offered anymore, and even they got grandfathered in....
I just assumed that the two would come hand in hand though I now see why that's not necessarily the case. I agree, OTA syncing is even better but there just isnt any reason to not be able to do both.
The iPad, no matter how parasitic it is, is still a real computer.
And wow at all the people "finding problems" with OTA updates. Android has been at it for years on many carriers and with many different data caps in place, rooted phones, phones with custom ROMs, etc.. and yet none of those guys whine about OTA updates. The Apple crowd really needs to get with it. It's optional people, it is for Android, no reason it wouldn't be for iPhone.
Options are good.
How can it be a real computer and you cant even turn it on without syncing it to a real computer? So basically to buy an ipad you have to own another $500 piece of hardware to use an ipad. I love my ipad and it has basically replaced my laptops, but its a shame that you cant manage your music, sync your apps or update your OS without being connected to a real computer.
you could have apple set it up at the store when you buy it... then you can download music and apps on device, so really the only reason one would need to connect to a computer is to create a backup or update the OS... still isn't a real computer imo but you definitely don't need a computer to use an iPad. I bought one for my grandma and she uses it as her only computer, so depending on ones needs, yes it can replace an actual computer, for others, not so much.
for all those people talking about the updates, your monthly data cap and overages... I'm pretty darn sure the Over-the-Air updates would be free and not count against your monthly cap...
probably why they are in talks with verizon.... because otherwise why would verizon care they would be all gun ho for it cause they would get a ton of extra overage money...
probably why they are in talks with verizon.... because otherwise why would verizon care they would be all gun ho for it cause they would get a ton of extra overage money...
did you read the first 9 words of my post?
here i'll repost it for you:
I was just saying, this is what they do...
Hell I even remember when the Palm Pre was released on Sprint talking with some people who had some premier type account (don't remember the name) from way back when that was not offered anymore, and even they got grandfathered in....
for newer phones i heard Sprint is making people give up the SERO plan
ahh yes, SERO, thanks knew it had a name haha...
anyways, after searching the sprint site here is what i've found
So as far as I can tell, as long as you have it you can keep it, and you just need a SERO Premium plan (as opposed to Basic) if you want to have a smartphone and keep your SERO plan. It says you can upgrade though if you are on a SERO Basic to a SERO Premium.
But backups and updates are critical for such a device. That is my whole point... Are you arguing that it does not need ota syncing or just arguing? Obviously its serviceable without tethering, but you do need to sync it to a computer for it to work. Thats like if I had to plug my scooter into my car just to get it going. It makes it a luxury and not a necessity. They would sell more by making it stand on its own. Even if it required a wifi connection to do updates and sync. They would sell even more than they already do.
So can someone explain to me why they have to get Verizon's permission to offer system upgrades over the air, when you can already go in the app store and download Angry Birds over the air? Seriously, this would be a security boon to be able to push updates without tethering them to a computer. Many people don't sync their iPhones for weeks at a time, but they are on them daily. If you can push out security updates sooner, then it is a good thing for everyone involved. And I would wager there's waaaaay more bandwidth being sucked up by iTunes and the App Store than system updates would require.
umm i wasn't arguing with you
I was just stating that you don't really need a computer to use an iPad, especially if you don't already have one. You made it seem like if you buy an iPad you must have a computer, not necessarily true, apple will set it up for you at the store and it will work just fine from that point forward it doesn't suddenly stop working if you never back it up or update it.I doubt apple would sell more iPads if it could update on it's own... i don't think there are any consumers out there who say oh, i can't update this device without a computer? Forget it, I don't want it...
backups and updates are critical for YOU... not the majority of consumers. There are plenty of people who never update anything that they own, they don't understand what it means. I know people who don't even update the apps they have downloaded when their app store has a nice badge with 39 updates and they still don't know what to do with that.
People on these boards don't understand how dumb the average consumer is. People always say well apple should have done this, I can't believe they don't allow users to do this, etc. etc. If you realize that you may want these features because you are technologically inclined, but the majority of "normal" users would just be confused by it you would understand more why they make the decisions that they do.
Most people don't know how to install or uninstall programs, manage a file system, what the difference between HD and SD is, 720p vs 1080p, hell i know people who don't even know what bluray is. Your average family usually has more to worry about than if they have the latest technology.
not necessarily true.. your phone won't allow you to download apps over 20mb, considering iOS updates are 600mb+ there is a major difference.
OTA updates wouldn't really mean apple could push them out faster, if anything, based on other evidence it usually occurs slower. OTA updates for android are pushed out in "waves" so that they don't kill the network. When an iOS update is released anyone anywhere can download it.
OTA update notifications are carrier initiated messages.
The carrier also caches the updates on their systems for retrieval by the consumer. I'm sure Apple would love to not have to deal with the traffic spikes every time an update were to roll out.
This way updates can be rolled out by region to prevent a massive surge in data traffic on the carriers network. This is also helpful if the carrier were to allow the update to be done completely over 3G if the consumers chooses that option.
AT&T updates only require a WiFi connection to start an OTA download, but once the download is started, the update will complete downloading over 3G if you were to lose your WiFi connection.
The important part of all this is we'll be able to do the .x updates without connecting our devices to iTunes, even if it means using WiFi.
I'm guessing iOS 5 will offer patches, instead of the full OS, letting users sync on their carrier's network. It's true this update method is more dangerous, but I have a feeling Apple is working on a safe way to do this.
I'm guessing iOS 5 will offer patches, instead of the full OS, letting users sync on their carrier's network. It's true this update method is more dangerous, but I have a feeling Apple is working on a safe way to do this.
...until you get your cell phone bill.
yeah guys, cuz these arent old problems that have already been solved -- do you pay for calls to AT&T (or verizon) via your handset when you dial 411 (or whatever it is)? no. you dont.
so even if its not wifi-only, what makes you think they wouldnt apply the same sort of policy? support data is free.
Apple is working hard to make it simple
Here's my guess as to how it will work based on how simple Apple likes to make things for the end user:
This sounds like the "Apple way" to me.
Here's my guess as to how it will work based on how simple Apple likes to make things for the end user:
- We will have a setting we can turn off or on in our iOS device preferences to have our OS updates downloaded over our phone provider's data connection (Edge, 3G and 4G when it comes out)
- Our phone provider will not count OS updates against our data plans--they will be free.
- Downloads will occur in the background to the user.
- Downloads will happen when our phone provider's network is not being taxed (like at 3am).
- If the iOS device's battery level reaches a certain point (30% left?), the download will pause until the battery is recharged.
- Downloads can start and stop as needed. When the download starts again, it will pick up right where it left off.
- If the user is on the Edge network, it could take a week or more of off-and-on downloading but it's not taxing the provider's network and the user doesn't know it's happening.
- If the user knows an update is out there and would like to get it before the background download completes, they can always apply the update by connecting to their computer.
- When the download is complete, the user will be notified that an update is available and asks if they would like to apply it (after backing up their data to iCloud?).
This sounds like the "Apple way" to me.