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Fall release maybe, but LTE?

It makes sense for a fall release of the fifth generation iPhone if they aren't previewing iOS 5 until WWDC. Most iOS releases have had a preview in March/April with a release soon after WWDC.

As others have said, I don't think that this one will have LTE or 4G capabilities because it just isn't widespread yet. Then again, neither is Thunderbolt.

Come on, June! :apple:
 
att won't have LTE for at least 12 months, so if you are going by carrier then there is a hole in your tarp. or they can do what they did a year or 2 ago with att, remember the 3g or was it the 3gs?. regardless they included the chip to accommodate the "3.75G" ATT speeds even though it wasn't implemented yet. im just hoping that this doesnt turn into a big mess
 
So what electronic has ZERO problems??
The more features that are packed into something, the more chances of issues. Doesn't make the iPhone 4 a "POS".

You've never owned one, so you wouldn't know.

Your veering way off point here. I'm not going to beat the iPhone 4 tragedy anymore, it's been done.

Of course all electronic devices have faults. Some more then others (iPhone 4). The 3GS had more features then the 3G, but didn't have the issues. Your comments are, quite frankly ridiculous. You don't have to own something to know it's crap. Yugos were crap, and most everyone agrees they were crap... Without owning one.

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings because I don't like your phone :rolleyes: but that is what this conversation boils down to at this point. My original feelings to the OP were that if Apple waits, they are going to lose customers. If they start routinely lengthening their iPhone releases, they are heading for disaster.

In fact, they need to start shortening the span, since this market is so competitive. This isn't an attack on your feelings, it's good business.
 
Can Apple improve battery support to support LTE and A5 processor? I'd love it if they did, but we know Apple likes to take very firm single steps. Maybe it's time to upgrade the screen size to get more under the hood (and stick the antenna back in there).
 
I love voice control. But the robustness of the headphone/microphones seems lacking. Seems if they decide to tought this feature, they should improve the build and make them more sweat/water resistant,
 
A couple years ago, 4G meant LTE. Now it means HSPA+. I have no doubt that the next iPhone will be 4G capable, but it won't be LTE. I doubt that delaying the typical launch would have anything to do with including 4G.
 
Siri is the best app

Siri is one of my favorite apps. I've yet to have it not understand what I was asking for. For fun, we've asked it all sorts of odd things. "Find me a hooker" did just that after scolding me for being naughty. LOL. Seriously though, if you need a cab, you ask the app to get you a cab and it does.

If Apple integrated this throughout IOS it would be a major improvement. If you don't have Siri, I highly recommend it. Ask it anything, and there it is. If they worked in talk to text and a few other things, I'd be over joyed.
 
This is awesome news! Sounds like iOS 5 will now give Google's Voice Actions for Android a run for its money. Ha...I even have the Siri app on my home screen (which I seldom use) but after WWDC and seeing its integration into iOS 5, I'll be using it or whatever it will be called a lot more often. Looking forward to WWDC '11! :D

Speech text has been my major gripe with iOS. Less important... yet important, is free, voice-integrated GPS solutions. Apple can provide good turn by turn in Maps without significantly undercutting carrier solutions, but it's a gamble. As the iPhone doesn't change carrier to carrier, this would be an annoyance to carriers.

The reason I see voice commands as so closely related to mapping, is that I've had instances where quickly telling the phone where I need to go, isn't just helpful... It's almost been vital. For instance, going to the emergency room, or rerouting while driving. Holding down the home button and being able to say, "I need to get to the nearest hospital" is a lot better than tapping away for 10-15 vital seconds.

I also love that even Siri is as interactive as iPhone's voice commands. It asks follow up questions and seems genuine,y helpful. The idea you could hold a button, and give a more "Siri" friendly command like "I'd like you to play some music like 'Torn' by Natalie Imbruglia" would be fantastic. Holding again and saying, "--and what's the weather going to be like on Friday?" Is also amazing. Every time Siri answers any form of that question, including "for the next two days" or "while I'm visiting Birmingham, AL"... it just floors me.

Currently Android doesn't do most of it's voice commands over Bluetooth, while everything iOS uses voice commands is so great because of it. The best part of voice commands is not taking anything out of your pocket, and feeling like you've got someone at your beck and call while walking through the store with your Bluetooth headphones on and your hands in your pockets. ;o)

~ CB
 
I could cause the antenna to lose all its bars by placing my one finger on the antenna... Thats ridiculous. And anyone who has one, on the At&T network and says "I've never dropped a call" is a fanboi in the worst way and flat out lying. All my iPhones, - and even non-iPhones - on AT&T's network drop calls period, all the time. Even if the antenna design was perfect on the iPhone 4, it would drop calls because of At&T's network, so yea... I don't believe that in a second.

Not to mention all the problems people were having with the screen, and the proximity sensors... and thats all I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure there is/was more. Also, I refused to buy another iPhone that didn't have more than 32 GB of space, since I'm currently maxing out the capacity on my current 32 GB iPhone. Thus, I decided not to upgrade to avoid dealing with all that. Really, the 4 was just problems and a few spec increases. The increased resolution of the display means nothing to me without a larger screen, and the 3GS was fast enough at the time. The one and only thing that I would have enjoyed is the bump in RAM.

Also, design-wise, I'd take the original iPhone over any of the others. It's too bad the AL causes havoc with radio signals. I would think someone who supposedly had all the iPhones would agree. And at least not think it looked like a "toy".

Good thing your not a designer, since when you designed crap and people called you out on it you'd be offended. :rolleyes: You'd probably not be able to emotionally handle it.

And I 100% know what I'm talking about. Because I have an Anti-Apple opinion doesn't mean I'm ill-informed and I don't know what I'm talking about. I've worked on and dealt with enough electronics to have an informed opinion.

Well I've owned a few iphones and I've dropped less calls with the iP4 than the others.

No issues with the screen, which is by far and away the #1 reason its better than any before it. There is no question in my mind that its the best phone I've used extensively, and without question (IMO, that is) better than any iPhone before it.

Original iPhone was the best form factor though, the feel of it was so much better than the iPhone 4.

Even given that its just your opinion, to say its a POS, is simple hyperbole, and discredits any argument you may have that it is not as good as its predecessors.
 
As for the voice command thing - I don't really care. It's not like it takes that long to press an icon, although it might help some in the cold wiinter when I have gloves on.

it takes many taps to dial an odd number you dont use often.

also, if this rumor is true, it would be for more than just dialing, as that is current tech.
 
Apple's decision to mix-up their refreshment cycles NOW burns me. I have been looking forward--for once--to upgrading my device at around the time the newest iPhone hits the market, and when I finally get the chance to do it, Apple (potentially) shifts the cycle. Not cool with me.

ME ME ME ME! because you want a new phone when you want it, apple sucks? geeze what are we, 12?
 
Ok..all cool here...but they need to push REALLY hard with speech recognition software in order to be successful. At least some some possibility for software to learn your accent etc.
 
Well I've owned a few iphones and I've dropped less calls with the iP4 than the others.

No issues with the screen, which is by far and away the #1 reason its better than any before it. There is no question in my mind that its the best phone I've used extensively, and without question (IMO, that is) better than any iPhone before it.

Original iPhone was the best form factor though, the feel of it was so much better than the iPhone 4.

Even given that its just your opinion, to say its a POS, is simple hyperbole, and discredits any argument you may have that it is not as good as its predecessors.

I'm happy it's working for you, but that doesnt mean they were problem free.

The rest is your opinion, not fact.... But since you like the iPhone 4 your opinion must count more then mine right? :rolleyes:

Yes your right... Me saying it's a POS negates any opinion I have. Why didn't I see that?

Oh right. Cause a lot of people agree. And it's important. And I want the iPhone 5 soon, so I can rid myself of the 3GS, and hear from all you fanbois that IT is the best phone eva omgwtf everyone has to agree or they don't know what they are talking abot!!!!!!
 
I'm happy it's working for you, but that doesnt mean they were problem free.

The rest is your opinion, not fact.... But since you like the iPhone 4 your opinion must count more then mine right? :rolleyes:

Yes your right... Me saying it's a POS negates any opinion I have. Why didn't I see that?

Oh right. Cause a lot of people agree. And it's important. And I want the iPhone 5 soon, so I can rid myself of the 3GS, and hear from all you fanbois that IT is the best phone eva omgwtf everyone has to agree or they don't know what they are talking abot!!!!!!

It's really not nearly as big a deal as you are making it, maybe calm down a bit?

funny you are the one basically calling people out for hurt feelings yet you are showing much, much more emotion in your opinion.

Yes using wild hyperbole does in fact degrade the chances of people taking what you say seriously. It doesn't mean your opinion doesn't "count", it just means it isn't much worth listening to.

Whatever your real opinion is, you are posting with the emotion of a teenager. I've got no bones to pick with your decision not to get a new iphone. You seem angry at someone, dont know who that is.

No matter, I could care less. Grab a beer or get laid or something.
 
I'm sorry I hurt your feelings because I don't like your phone :rolleyes: but that is what this conversation boils down to at this point. My original feelings to the OP were that if Apple waits, they are going to lose customers. If they start routinely lengthening their iPhone releases, they are heading for disaster.

I am one of these - I have been holding out for months with my slooooow 3G because my contract expired and I knew the stardard release for next gen iPhone is summer. I was going to get this one no matter what.

Now with this uncertainty, I'm not willing to suffer anymore, and I'm switching to Android (Atrix). Apple actually pissed me off with this one.
 
It's really not nearly as big a deal as you are making it, maybe calm down a bit?

funny you are the one basically calling people out for hurt feelings yet you are showing much, much more emotion in your opinion.

Yes using wild hyperbole does in fact degrade the chances of people taking what you say seriously. It doesn't mean your opinion doesn't "count", it just means it isn't much worth listening to.

Whatever your real opinion is, you are posting with the emotion of a teenager. I've got no bones to pick with your decision not to get a new iphone. You seem angry at someone, dont know who that is.

No matter, I could care less. Grab a beer or get laid or something.

Right. I'm mad. That's why your post personally attacked me with nothing to add to the discussion at hand.

The iPhone 4.. A POS :D that's what it is. And that's not a wild hyperbole. A wild hyperbole would be "it's the worst phone ever, in the universe" Compared to the other iphones, it is. Actually, it sounds as if your exaggerating what I'm saying for the sake of envoking feelings... Which is a hyperbole. :)

I won't attack your lack of love making, because I'm not emotional. Lol, people who aren't upset don't say things like you did in your last line. I'm not worried about people taking me seriously, because they are. If you don't like it, no one is forcing you to post.
 
The iPhone 4.. A POS :D that's what it is. And that's not a wild hyperbole. A wild hyperbole would be "it's the worst phone ever, in the universe" Compared to the other iphones, it is. Actually, it sounds as if your exaggerating what I'm saying for the sake of envoking feelings... Which is a hyperbole. :)

What makes it a piece of ****, exactly? The issues it had early on that were fixed with the software update? It's much more superior in every way to the 3GS than the 3GS was to the 3.

Personally, I've sold my past iphones on craigslist, and bought the new model each year since the 3G, and actually made money from one to the next each time (sold the 3GS for $315, and bought the 4 for $230...or whatever it was to do an early upgrade)...never got why more people didn't do that.

Oh, back on topic...I'll sell my iphone 4 for more than it's gonna cost me for the 5 no matter when they put it out and what they have on it and I reckon I'll be happy. ;)
 
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We have seen significant improvements with every ios upgade. There is no doubt that 5 will do great things. I personally would like to see voice to text or voice to email. It would be nice to do when in a pinch for a quick response. Also back to the iPhone 5 rumors. Do you think after last years ***** show that they are really going to leak any rumors out? They are not going to sacrifice sales. They WILL release a new phone in June/July. They cannot afford not too. Once a year is perfect. As for LTE who cares. We won't be able to use it for a while anyway. Let's work on a 3g phone that can consistently make calls first. When I do get service the 3G is plenty fast anyway. I am fine with 2-4 mb/ps. In some areas I'm only a bit over 1 and some Im under 1. That is plenty for what the phone can do now. Again, doing the upgrade in Sep will have a lot of people disappointed. Its all about perception. If they wait, even if a few months unless they announce it at WWDC it will hurt them. Now if they can justify the wait and announce it in June with LTE delivered in Sep they may have a chance. Bottom line 15 months for a phone refresh imo is weak. I just don't personally get the fascination with LTE today. It will be great but we are premature.
 
I hope Apple adds translation and Wolfram Alpha to the Siri thing. I'd love to get an answer without typing when I say "Translate in French: Where are you studying now?" or "Solve 1.52 times 8.38?"

Oh and they should offer narration of any part on websites in Safari or texts in Facebook/Twitter...
 
What makes it a piece of ****, exactly? The issues it had early on that were fixed with the software update? It's much more superior in every way to the 3GS than the 3GS was to the 3.

Hmm. I thought I covered this already.

Well, the screen issues were definitely not fixed by a software update. So that's a no go. The proximity sensor issue may have, but if you read my post far back enough you will see I'm discuss why I didn't buy the iPhone 4 while it was new... and I won't buy it now because.. it's old.

Oh.. but I think the update you have in mind is where apple fixed their hardware folly with a software patch. Right. They adjusted the bars so you would actually have to be receiving little or no coverage to only display one bar.

Your right, forgot they fixed the antenna with a software band-aid.
 
I'd be fine with waiting till fall to upgrade my 3GS if it meant LTE. Yes, I know the tech is nascent but the timing would seriously suck for entering a 2 year contract on a phone without it. That's the main problem. I don't want to have to wait till 2013 or upgrade after just one year (and there's no guarantee either carrier would allow it).
 
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