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How could you do this to me, Apple? I have done nothing but buy your products, give you money, use your services, and have a mindset that Apple is awesome.

And now you do a mean, cruel thing to me like try to take away my jailbreak?

Screw the update!

Who is forcing you to update?
 
I can't afford to have the phone crash in to safe mode in the middle of a set. This happened exactly once before I realized it just wasn't worth it for me.
What crashed it? That's the issue.

That's why Apple locks down their system, some of these things are not necessarily good code. Right now a lot of tweaks aren't compatible with OS6, either. And that's why the "average" consumer should stay away from such hacking, whether JB or similar on Android.

OTOH, I've had to reboot 4 Apple devices in the last 6 days due to system level* crashes. None of them JBed. My JB phone has been fine, and I was playing around last week with some tweaks, kinda surprised it never crashed.


* One of them was still mostly operable, just the base video software failed. Could not play Netflix, Hulu, iTunes, nada.
 
In this day and age, with all of the substantial improvements that Apple has made to iOS over the years, I don't really think that there are many excuses left for jailbreakers.

Haha. You must be joking.
 
I'm really not clear on something...how could anyone generate the powerful emotion of hate over something so completely insignificant and trivial as jailbreaking.

I can't imagine why anyone would care one whit whether someone jaulbreaks or not.

Let's get a little perspective here, folks.

This is trivial ca-ca.

Just one man's humble opinion.;)

Well said
 
Question is, can a jailbreak tweak fix the passcode bug?

If not... well we have the choice between a jailbroken iPhone or a secure iPhone

I don't know ANYONE personally who knows how to use that passcode bug. Plus, I never leave my phone unattended nor do I store my whole life on a PHONE.
 
As the above couple of posts have already mentioned: the whole reason a jailbreak works in the first place is because the people who created the jailbreak have exploited a security hole so serious that arbitrary code was allowed to run. Code that, in fact, can take over how the entire phone works.

When you jailbreak your phone you are basically intentionally running a trojan horse. By any other definition, this is a type of malware.

You don't think Apple wants to fix those flaws when they find them?

Yes, that's fine, and what I'm saying is probably off-topic, but it made me think of how far Apple goes to prevent Jailbreaking, reverse-engineering of the lightning connector, sim-unlocking, etc...

I mean it's quite scary how not even the most amazing hackers in the world have figured out a method to just downgrade to an older version of iOS. Apple simply made it impossible. For no logical reason at all.

But I am indeed off topic!
 
The amount of effort Apple goes into just to avoid Jailbreaking is silly. My friend just bought an old iPhone and wants to use it in another country, thinking that there must be a way to unlock the SIM lock. We just can't figure out how to unlock it, as it turns out Apple hard-coded the SIM lock into the phone and only the operator can unlock it (but why would they do it, if they can just piss people off legally for nothing but the enjoyment). What's the point of this, exactly? To make make the resale value of iPhones equal to zero? Or to just piss people off for paying full price for an old Phone, just to find that it's not actually theirs to do what they want?

JB and Unlock are two different things. iPhones bought at full price do not have any SIM Locks. The subsedized Phones do but the unlock is easy and free after the contract ran out. Btw, Apple did not "code" anything, its the providers that do. You want a $700 Phone for $99, what do you think who pays the diffence?
 
In this day and age, with all of the substantial improvements that Apple has made to iOS over the years, I don't really think that there are many excuses left for jailbreakers.

Keyboard tweaks. I use kiwihd to add the number row as a fifth row of keys.
 
What crashed it? That's the issue.

That's why Apple locks down their system, some of these things are not necessarily good code. Right now a lot of tweaks aren't compatible with OS6, either. And that's why the "average" consumer should stay away from such hacking, whether JB or similar on Android.

OTOH, I've had to reboot 4 Apple devices in the last 6 days due to system level* crashes. None of them JBed. My JB phone has been fine, and I was playing around last week with some tweaks, kinda surprised it never crashed.


* One of them was still mostly operable, just the base video software failed. Could not play Netflix, Hulu, iTunes, nada.

It was hard to say which tweak it was. I removed most of them towards the end with the exception of Auxo and Zephyr. From what I've read, both of these tweaks are still fairly unstable. Even after uninstalling and reinstalling all of my tweaks, I was still crashing in to Safe Mode about once a week.

On the other hand, in two years of owning an iPad and 3 years of owning iPhones, I could count on two hands the number of times either has suffered a system wide crash. App crashes happen from time to time, but that usually seems more like a problem with the app itself rather than the OS.

I'm not saying that Apple products are perfect, or that jailbreaking is the only way you'll have problems. Just that in my specific scenario, after jailbreaking, I found my phone to be signficantly less stable, which was not an acceptable tradeoff for added functionality.
 
When you jailbreak your phone you are basically intentionally running a trojan horse. By any other definition, this is a type of malware.

It's not malware if you choose to run it and want it to do what it does.

Haven't seen any tweak that would we worth JB and exploiding my phone to hackers.

How does a jailbreak expose your phone to hackers? Circumventing code signing doesn't mean that someone can remotely access your data (or even locally if locked)

How, by disabling 911 entirely? That's *hardly* a fix.

Currently this issue can be fixed on jailbroken and non-jailbroken phones alike by turning off "simple passcode".
 
How, by disabling 911 entirely? That's *hardly* a fix.

No.. you use a stronger password by either turning off Simple Password, or grab the JB app that allows you to draw your own password, a la Android, but much smoother.

It isn't Apple's fault that you chose to use a number code for the password: one that someone has a 1 in 10000 chance to get, and with those odds, a thief or cracker would easily take those to get access to your phone or data.

Turning off Simple password puts you at having alphanumeric, special character passwords which are harder to crack.

But it's up to you to do so.

BL.
 
The amount of effort Apple goes into just to avoid Jailbreaking is silly. My friend just bought an old iPhone and wants to use it in another country, thinking that there must be a way to unlock the SIM lock. We just can't figure out how to unlock it, as it turns out Apple hard-coded the SIM lock into the phone and only the operator can unlock it (but why would they do it, if they can just piss people off legally for nothing but the enjoyment). What's the point of this, exactly? To make make the resale value of iPhones equal to zero? Or to just piss people off for paying full price for an old Phone, just to find that it's not actually theirs to do what they want?
The government should ban sim locking, like the Hong Kong government did way back in 1996.
 
JB and Unlock are two different things. iPhones bought at full price do not have any SIM Locks. The subsedized Phones do but the unlock is easy and free after the contract ran out. Btw, Apple did not "code" anything, its the providers that do. You want a $700 Phone for $99, what do you think who pays the diffence?

Not exactly: most phones simply allow you to wipe the entire OS and reinstall it, thus wiping all data about any SIM lock. iPhones don't do that.

When you buy a subsidized iPhone, and pay off every monthly payment and then your contract ends, you have effectively bought the phone at full price by that time (if not for much more). It would be fair for the SIM lock to then automatically be released, but that doesn't happen. In fact, it's up to the carrier's discretion whether they let you do it or not, and they usually do not, just because they can. In that case, it would be great if you could just wipe your phone and crack the SIM lock, since you should now legally be able to use any SIM. But iPhones don't let you do that either. You're at the mercy of the carrier, and Apple built iPhones in a way that allows such a situation to persist.

For this reason, you cannot sell an iPhone that you have now fully paid off, to someone in another country or someone wishing to use a different carrier. This significantly reduces the value of the phone you paid full price for (over the months).

They could have built the SIM lock in such a way that it's soft coded, not hard coded.
 
4773n710n l337 h4x0rz!

It will go like this:

- Apple releases 6.1.3 that kills the l337 h4x0r 3v4z10n jailbreak
- Jailbreakers whine briefly, then strenuously avoid the update
- Apple will cherry pick good jailbreak app concepts (if there are any left)
- Apple will release iOS 7.0 with those concepts
- People who JB-ed for those concepts won't need to jailbreak any more
- People who JB-ed to steal apps, videos, music, etc. will keep on doing it

Meanwhile, some other group of l337 h4x0rz will exploit some other jailbreak technique that Apple can, yet again, quickly slam shut. Rinse, repeat. And some day there just won't be another jailbreak technique. And we'll be done.
 
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People who do the stupid jailbreak is for stealing apps without paying anything, the excuse of the sb settings is just too old, accept it, jailbreakers (sounds really funny) like to obtain things without paying anything.
 
I'm think it was Wang aka planetbeing's fault for release details about evasion.

Umm... wrong.

Seeing how trustworthy and legitimate the evad3rs have been, I would feel more comfortable with having a team like those guys releasing a jailbreak, and reporting their findings to the Vendor so they can be fixed. How do you think all bug fixes are found?

Or would you prefer someone to exploit said bug maliciously, and get control of other people's phones?

The more people that know about it, the easier a patch for it can be found, the quicker you get a more stable and robust OS. Trying to hide it away makes it exploitable by those who have malicious intent.

BL.
 
Not exactly: most phones simply allow you to wipe the entire OS and reinstall it, thus wiping all data about any SIM lock. iPhones don't do that.

When you buy a subsidized iPhone, and pay off every monthly payment and then your contract ends, you have effectively bought the phone at full price by that time (if not for much more). It would be fair for the SIM lock to then automatically be released, but that doesn't happen. In fact, it's up to the carrier's discretion whether they let you do it or not, and they usually do not, just because they can. In that case, it would be great if you could just wipe your phone and crack the SIM lock, since you should now legally be able to use any SIM. But iPhones don't let you do that either. You're at the mercy of the carrier, and Apple built iPhones in a way that allows such a situation to persist.

For this reason, you cannot sell an iPhone that you have now fully paid off, to someone in another country or someone wishing to use a different carrier. This significantly reduces the value of the phone you paid full price for (over the months).

They could have built the SIM lock in such a way that it's soft coded, not hard coded.

I do not know of any provider that will not unlock there out of contract iPhones. In a lot of countries, Europe, most of Asia, all of Africa and South and middle America it is actually law. They HAVE to unlock.
Funny that you say the phone is "hard" locked. In effect its not locked at all. The iPhones unique Number is registered at the Apple Server and there it can also be unlocked. Actually a very simple prozess. One of the last providers on earth now is also unlocking, free of charge, after for years refusing to do so, ATT in the States. All other providers in the States actually do not lock at all (like Verizon) or unlock after a short time.

Best think to do of course is not to buy a locked phone in the first place. You KNOW that spells trouble, so why do it?
 
People who do the stupid jailbreak is for stealing apps without paying anything, the excuse of the sb settings is just too old, accept it, jailbreakers (sounds really funny) like to obtain things without paying anything.

That's total hogwash. I've stopped jailbreaking personally but I can see many reasons why one still would want to: auxo, zephyr, activator, sbsettings, 3G-unrestrictor and many more.

I even had Siri on my iPhone 4 till I upgraded to the 5.
 
In this day and age, with all of the substantial improvements that Apple has made to iOS over the years, I don't really think that there are many excuses left for jailbreakers.

People don't need excuses...

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People who do the stupid jailbreak is for stealing apps without paying anything, the excuse of the sb settings is just too old, accept it, jailbreakers (sounds really funny) like to obtain things without paying anything.

No, there are more uses for jailbreaking than stealing apps. Those who steal apps should be shamed. Shameeeeeeeee
 
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