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Because you need to move on with your lives. Eventually iOS 6 will be virtually non-existent and you will have to get used to it at some point unless you want to switch to Android...

Once again, why?? Is it not my device? I paid for it. FaceTime was working fine. Now, because apple wants me to upgrade when I don't want to or need to I can no longer use it. That's fair? Part of "moving on with my life" is being able to use my devices the same way today as I did yesterday, and not having to think about it. This is not possible right now.
 
They can't. The software doesn't allow it.

iOS Software Update checks for the newest version of the software compatible for that specific device. If that's iOS 7.1.5 or whatever, than that's what it is.

It's impossible the way the software is currently designed to push an iOS 6.1.6 update to devices compatible with iOS 7 unless Apple disabled updates to iOS 7 altogether. Clearly, they aren't going to do that because a handful of users don't want to update because they don't like the look.

So, the users have a choice to make. Continue using their current iOS 6, which is now vulnerable to multiple exploits and has expired security certificates, or update to the latest version with all the fixes. That latest version is iOS 7.whatever.

This is simply how the update software works.



I'm not telling anyone they have to update the device. Only explaining WHY they need to update to iOS 7 if they want the fix and why the fix can't be delivered to iOS 6 devices that support iOS 7.




It works fully again when you install the newest software patch to fix the bug. That's how they fix problems like this, and it's inevitable with software. No software is perfect. You agree to the terms of service when you buy the device, and part of those terms, you agree to update the device to the latest software if you're having problems.
It can't be only because Apple doesn't it want to be, not because it actually can't be. That's the underlying issue here essentially.
 
They can't. The software doesn't allow it.

iOS Software Update checks for the newest version of the software compatible for that specific device. If that's iOS 7.1.5 or whatever, than that's what it is.

It's impossible the way the software is currently designed to push an iOS 6.1.6 update to devices compatible with iOS 7 unless Apple disabled updates to iOS 7 altogether. Clearly, they aren't going to do that because a handful of users don't want to update because they don't like the look.

So, the users have a choice to make. Continue using their current iOS 6, which is now vulnerable to multiple exploits and has expired security certificates, or update to the latest version with all the fixes. That latest version is iOS 7.whatever.

This is simply how the update software works.

so you are privy to how the software updates work on apples end?
 
They can't. The software doesn't allow it.

iOS Software Update checks for the newest version of the software compatible for that specific device. If that's iOS 7.1.5 or whatever, than that's what it is.

It's impossible the way the software is currently designed to push an iOS 6.1.6 update to devices compatible with iOS 7 unless Apple disabled updates to iOS 7 altogether. Clearly, they aren't going to do that because a handful of users don't want to update because they don't like the look.

So, the users have a choice to make. Continue using their current iOS 6, which is now vulnerable to multiple exploits and has expired security certificates, or update to the latest version with all the fixes. That latest version is iOS 7.whatever.

This is simply how the update software works.



I'm not telling anyone they have to update the device. Only explaining WHY they need to update to iOS 7 if they want the fix and why the fix can't be delivered to iOS 6 devices that support iOS 7.




It works fully again when you install the newest software patch to fix the bug. That's how they fix problems like this, and it's inevitable with software. No software is perfect. You agree to the terms of service when you buy the device, and part of those terms, you agree to update the device to the latest software if you're having problems.

That is not how software works. No software is perfect, that is why software update makes sense. But the logical way of updating software is check update for current version, then when major update comes alone, let user choice if they want to update.
 
Once again, why?? Is it not my device? I paid for it. FaceTime was working fine. Now, because apple wants me to upgrade when I don't want to or need to I can no longer use it. That's fair? Part of "moving on with my life" is being able to use my devices the same way today as I did yesterday, and not having to think about it. This is not possible right now.

Your assumption is that they purposely put this bug in the code to force you to upgrade 8 months after iOS7 was released. Do you also believe all the exploits they've patched (that you are currently vulnerable to) were also put in on purpose? Obviously not. Software isn't perfect and no one is trying to ruin your life. Stop being stubborn, upgrade, and, yes, move on with your life. You're obviously not going to be on iOS6 the rest of your life...
 
Go grab an iPad 2 with iOS 6 then go grab iPad 2 with iOS 7. iOS 7 runs terribly on iPad 3 and somewhat laggy on iPad 4... iOS 7 performance is no where near iOS 6 on these devices...

Yeap I can vouch for this, my mums iPad 3, everytime I use it to update it or show her something, it runs like utter dog poo with iOS7, thought it was alright to begin with but now it lags when you tilt the screen etc, lags on the keyboard, lags lags..

And that's with a quad core GPU and very good dual core I think CPU. iOS6 ran like butter, iOS7 is just a disaster of buggy lag, and Apple doesn't seem to bothered to fix it, so far, but then I'm more then sure they would much rather you upgraded and gave them more money.

Thankfully my mum is too old to care and for her it still works fine, I guess we should be grateful they bothered to support the iPad 3 with iOS7.

I personally find iOS7 to be the worst product Apple has ever made.
 
OR they could just create iOS 6.1.6 for every devices and let people update through iTunes and change the way iTunes check updates. They also can let people go to Apple Store, let them to do. People have been update their phone through iTunes before. If Apple really wish to do something, they can do it.

I do not understand why iOS would anything different than OS X. If computer can upgrade, downgrade then why cannot iOS do same thing?

Apple's been trying to move away from devices having to be tied to a computer with iTunes because lots of people are ditching their computers altogether now solely for mobile devices.

Why would they waste resources developing an antiquated method to fix antiquated software?

Apple has never been a company to support old software for a long time. They're always about updates. It's been like that for decades.

That is not how software works. No software is perfect, that is why software update makes sense. But the logical way of updating software is check update for current version, then when major update comes alone, let user choice if they want to update.

That's great, and I agree that would be a good feature for people who didn't want to update, but that's water under the bridge. The software doesn't work that way. In order to make it that way now or in the future, Apple would first need to release an update to add that functionality. At that point, you're back to the same problem here as that update would have to be part of a new version of iOS 7 and not an older version of iOS 6.

It can't be only because Apple doesn't it want to be, not because it actually can't be. That's the underlying issue here essentially.

Did you misunderstand the post?

The entire point of my post is exactly that. The underlying issue here is that most people do not understand how the update software actually works. Apple can't push 6.1.6 to a device that supports iOS 7 because that device's software is coded to check only for the latest version. That version is a version of iOS 7. There is NO way to make 6.1.6 available to these devices through iOS Software Update without Apple completely turning off the iOS 7 updates altogether, which clearly, they won't be doing.

so you are privy to how the software updates work on apples end?

Anyone who develops software can tell you how software updates work. There's no mechanism built in to iOS Software update to "choose an update version". It picks the newest one. That's it.
 
Your assumption is that they purposely put this bug in the code to force you to upgrade 8 months after iOS7 was released. Do you also believe all the exploits they've patched (that you are currently vulnerable to) were also put in on purpose? Obviously not. Software isn't perfect and no one is trying to ruin your life. Stop being stubborn, upgrade, and, yes, move on with your life. You're obviously not going to be on iOS6 the rest of your life...

Well, considering the fact that Facetime in iOS6 worked perfectly fine 2 weeks ago, now it's broken and I'm pretty sure all those iOS6 users didn't break it... then yeah I would put the blame for this forced upgrade solely at Apples front door.

Apple have obviously changed something on the backend, and declared to use the Facetime feature you now need iOS7, because they can't be bothered to make iOS6 work, it's not stoneage, it's laziness, because iOS6 is what 2 years old?
 
No, not really.

iOS 7 adoption is at >80% of compatible devices. Of those remaining I doubt many are consciously choosing to avoid iOS 7. Most are probably just lazy and haven't bothered to do the upgrade. That leaves just a small fraction of users who are clinging to iOS 6 on purpose, and only a subset of them might be using FaceTime. So in all, this impacts a small small number of users and the fix is easy. So deal with it.

Pure unsubstantiated speculation, and your 'small small number of users' will still amount to many millions.

I seriously believe Apple could sell some people a turd if they wrote iOS 8 on it, because some people cannot live without the latest version, whether it represents real progress or not.

The issue here is that Apple have disabled a function and are essentially blackmailing owners of older hardware to upgrade their OS, and that's pretty disrespectful.
 
It can't be only because Apple doesn't it want to be, not because it actually can't be. That's the underlying issue here essentially.

Do you think Apple should support all old iOS versions merely because some people might still be using them? Or rather, they should support iOS 6 because you, for whatever reason, have decided that version is what you like? That's the most unreasonable, selfish thing I've ever heard.
 
This is a great way to get people to update to the current OS so I'm excited about that. Suprised they didn't force to 7.1 to eliminate jbers.
 
These same people also want their device to have security flaws and have their data be vulnerable?

If thins were truly about security flaws that apple was trying to fix then ALL devices would be able to go up to the latest version of iOS. What happens when more flaws are detected? Will we be forced to upgrade again? Why are other apps not affected by this? The fix IS simple - update the FaceTime app and leave everything else alone.
 
Pure unsubstantiated speculation, and your 'small small number of users' will still amount to many millions.

I seriously believe Apple could sell some people a turd if they wrote iOS 8 on it, because some people cannot live without the latest version, whether it represents real progress or not.

The issue here is that Apple have disabled a function and are essentially blackmailing owners of older hardware to upgrade their OS, and that's pretty disrespectful.

They didn't disable anything. It is a bug in the software that has now been patched. It is no different from them patching all the exploits that were present in iOS6 as well.
 
Apple's been trying to move away from devices having to be tied to a computer with iTunes because lots of people are ditching their computers altogether now solely for mobile devices.

Why would they waste resources developing an antiquated method to fix antiquated software?

Apple has never been a company to support old software for a long time. They're always about updates. It's been like that for decades.



That's great, but that's water under the bridge. The software doesn't work that way. In order to make it that way now or in the future, Apple would first need to release an update to add that functionality. At that point, you're back to the same problem here as that update would have to be part of a new version of iOS 7 and not an older version of iOS 6.

Apple push major OS X update through their Mac App Store, why cannot Apple do the same? Why simply put iOS 6.1.6 on iOS App Store and let user update through iOS 6.1.6?
 
Your tin foil hat is crooked.

Apple created this 'bug' via fixing another one. The SSL bug that was patched in 6.1.6 and 7.0.6. Secured connections are a big deal for Apple so a new certificate was created to verify that folks had a patched version. If they don't they aren't secure etc. This is actually a good thing.

The game wasn't about forcing updates but about forcing folks to use secured software and connections. Same as Apple doesn't issue updates just to kill jailbreaks. They repair flaws and if it destroys a jailbreak they just don't care

Wow, you take things way to seriously.

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Sure sure, the certificate "ran out".:rolleyes:

Expired then.
 
I'm not happy with the way apple handled this bug but there is no chance of a lawsuit when they do offer a fix. I love ios 7 and encourage everyone to upgrade but I don't like how apple is forcing users to upgrade when they didn't have to. If they can fix the bug on the iPod touch in ios6 they could have for all other devices.

Having said that, ios7 was worth it to me for FaceTime audio alone since I use a cheap plan with limited Voice minutes

I would think you'd be more concerned about all the vulnerabilities on your iOS6 iPhone (that have been patched in iOS7) than losing facetime.
 
I love your statement, I wish Steve was still here to teach Ivy some lessons.

What does a retina display have to do with skeuomorphism? One of the biggest benefits of a retina display is in typography and that certainly isn't skeuomorphic. IMO you don't need all that embellishing when you have a beautiful display.

Here's Spotify in iOS 6 and iOS 7. Their iOS 7 design is so much better, IMO.
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Same with weather channel app:

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And Fantastical

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In my opinion all three of these apps look better on retina display with iOS 7 style design language.
 
That will teach those straggler to keep up!

I'm actually glad Apple is doing something about these people that refuse to update their systems. Give them no choice if they continue to want to run FaceTime - priceless.
 
And those are $50 phones on 2.x, not $700+ phones. When you sell high margin items, you expect a certain level of service.

Galaxy S was a $50 phone, really? I could have sworn it cost the same thing as an iPhone.

It was released with and abandoned at Android 2.x. The hardware is more than capable of running the latest Android 4.4
 
Yeap I can vouch for this, my mums iPad 3, everytime I use it to update it or show her something, it runs like utter dog poo with iOS7, thought it was alright to begin with but now it lags when you tilt the screen etc, lags on the keyboard, lags lags..

And that's with a quad core GPU and very good dual core I think CPU. iOS6 ran like butter, iOS7 is just a disaster of buggy lag, and Apple doesn't seem to bothered to fix it, so far, but then I'm more then sure they would much rather you upgraded and gave them more money.

Thankfully my mum is too old to care and for her it still works fine, I guess we should be grateful they bothered to support the iPad 3 with iOS7.

I personally find iOS7 to be the worst product Apple has ever made.

something's wrong with your iPad 3. mine is blazing fast just as it was before. try the new update or something. 7.1 has been flawless, but i have to say that 7.0.x didn't have problems as well.
 
They developed iOS 6.1.6... They just need spent little time to make sure these update works well for devices runs iOS 6. Come on, Microsoft choose to support their Windows XP for more than 13 years. Why can't Apple support their old OS little bit longer?

It seems unreasonable to me for any company to ask their customer either upgrade or not using certain features. They paid their earning to Apple for their devices, now they need forced to upgrade just because Apple doesn't want maintain their older OS? Apple can stop supporting their old OS, it is their right. But it is not right to have certain feature of their old OS just not working all the sudden without forcing user to upgrade.

I don't understand this forced upgrade argument for one simple reason. It's free, 100% absolutely free. If you want to talk about Windows, well yeah, for them to force you to upgrade would be evil because Vista was $100 minimum for just the upgrade. Yes you paid a premium for your Apple device. But you aren't paying a premium for the upgrade, you are in fact paying nil.

Apple could do this another way. They could put all their resources into supporting legacy software and just cut off all legacy hardware from the new software. Would you rather be forced to get the newest hardware every year in order to gain access to the latest software? Now THAT would be forced upgrading. Instead they put all of their efforts into supporting as much of the older hardware they can on the new software.

Like I said, You can't please all of the people all of the time, but Apple's philosophy on this issue goes a lot longer towards pleasing most of the people most of the time than if they had the opposite take.
 
This whole thing is blown way out of proportion. Updating to 6.1.6 will fix the issue. Maybe I missing something important. 6.1.6 is still iOS 6 right? Or is it 7 in disguise?

If you're on iOS 6.1.6 or before and upgrade, it will upgrade straight to iOS 7. Therefore, people can't upgrade to iOS 6.1.6. I think!
 
I think it's unreal how many people make condescending comments along the lines of 'just do the update'. iOS7 turned my perfectly functioning Iphone 4 into a frustratingly slow piece of junk. What, I just have to shell out for a new phone because Apple thinks so? It amazes me how many people follow Apple like a herd of sheep, willingly putting their money in the hands of rich people that only get richer. It's completely ridiculous when you think about it, Apple stating they make a product that enriches people's lives. Enriching lives? Look around you and what you see are mostly people buried with their head in their smartphone, constantly checking the most insignificant things, twittering the utmost banalities and getting depressed because they don't get enough messages and likes on the bazzilion social networks they are part of. Is it so difficult to see that this smartphone dependency means we've got our heads stuck so far up our @sses that it has turned us into retarded zombies? And we call it progress. It seems the smarter our phones get, the dumber and lazier we become in the process. A big F#CK YOU APPLE!
 
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