iOS 6 Users on Devices Able to Run iOS 7 Must Upgrade to Fix FaceTime

[charlituna]

Haha, good move Apple, the certificate didn't really expire, they've done this deliberately!

Apple created this 'bug' via fixing another one. The SSL bug that was patched in 6.1.6 and 7.0.6. Secured connections are a big deal for Apple so a new certificate was created to verify that folks had a patched version. If they don't they aren't secure etc. This is actually a good thing.

The game wasn't about forcing updates but about forcing folks to use secured software and connections. Same as Apple doesn't issue updates just to kill jailbreaks. They repair flaws and if it destroys a jailbreak they just don't care

 

[zioxide]

no the moral in your scenario is be a mindless muppet

The only mindlessness here is the whiners having an emotional meltdown over the colors of some icons and the background of their calendar app without having any clue whatsoever as to how the technology actually works.

How about change their update structure? Only check update for current version of OS? I do not believe a company capable to write bunch of operating system cannot alter their OS update structure. How about let user download the firmware and update by themselves? How about give user a list of update they can choose from?

They could do this.

However, you do realize that in order to do this, that would require a software update in itself to add this functionality. And in order to do that update, it would have to be in version 7.0.5 or greater, or you would run in to the same exact problem now that you cannot update to anything but the newest version.

 

[numlock]

The only mindlessness here is the whiners having an emotional meltdown over the colors of some icons and the background of their calendar app without having any clue whatsoever as to how the technology actually works.

that is actually independent thinking which sadly is lacking in a lot of people.

btw what in your post has got anything to do with what is going on? are you claiming that apple could not have done this differently?

 

[QCassidy352]

I agree. No reason not to update.

No offense, but it really doesn't matter if that's true or not. One may hate the new look, or the performance hit, or just like the way their device runs as is. It doesn't matter. The point is that forced upgrades are never ok, and removing core functionality that existed at the time of purchase - with no fix but an "upgrade" - is a way of forcing upgrading.

 

[RedOrchestra]

The only mindlessness here is the whiners having an emotional meltdown over the colors of some icons and the background of their calendar app without having any clue whatsoever as to how the technology actually works.

You know, I got a lot of real estate on my iPad - why is it that I have to read a font size optimized for the iPhone Calendar?

 

[C DM]

How about change their update structure? Only check update for current version of OS? I do not believe a company capable to write bunch of operating system cannot alter their OS update structure. How about let user download the firmware and update by themselves? How about give user a list of update they can choose from?

They do it for OS X, and have been for years, but somehow it's like a whole foreign concept to do it for iOS.

 

[irnchriz]

Not reaaaly much of an issue. If you want to stay on ios 6 just use Skype. Of course as time goes on more and more apps will require ios7 and be out of your reach.

 

[C DM]

The only mindlessness here is the whiners having an emotional meltdown over the colors of some icons and the background of their calendar app without having any clue whatsoever as to how the technology actually works.



They could do this.

However, you do realize that in order to do this, that would require a software update in itself to add this functionality. And in order to do that update, it would have to be in version 7.0.5 or greater, or you would run in to the same exact problem now that you cannot update to anything but the newest version.

Actually the only mindlessness here is a bunch of people assuming they know other people's business better than they do and think they should be able to tell them what to do. That's some reality that a lot of essentially anonymous internet posters seem to like to pretend to live in.

 

[charlituna]

In-house software continues to be problematic for Apple - time to out source.

Can't even sort through a certificate problem - what's that tell you?

That you don't really know what you are talking about. The issue isn't really an issue at all. Everyone that has had a problem was on an iOS 6 or 7 version prior to the GOTOFAIL patch. The system is going what it should be doing and refusing to allowed non secure connections. Which is not a bug or a problem for Apple but for those that refuse to update their software for whatever reason. Apple is not liable because they don't like the icons, insist on jailbreaking etc. Even the folks on iPhone 4s can't raise a huge fuss given the issue that were slowing down phones on iOS 7 were fixed with 7.1 according to numerous reports

 

[C DM]

Not reaaaly much of an issue. If you want to stay on ios 6 just use Skype.

Yeah, when your car's turn signals stop working due to some manufacturer defect, it's not much of an issue, just use hand signals.

 

[Alphabetize]

I'm surprised!! This seems like something that would normally be easily fixable.

 

[sonicrobby]

Because it was only released on devices that were not supported by 7, but I know you knew the answer to that, and you want to say it is bad for Apple to "restrict" the updating of an old version of software to old devices.

Apple always supports as many of its devices as it can on the latest versions of its OS's. It is something that sets it apart from all other mobile device manufacturers, and has been a source of praise and pride fir Apple. Now they are going to get berated simply because you don't like how that newest version looks? Pretty ridiculous. On the one hand the vocal minority criticizes Apple for not innovating enough, and on the other the vocal minority whines and cringes when they do just that and it doesn't turn out to be the comfy exact same thing that innovation was supposed to bring?

I'm not saying you particularly have voiced or hold these opposing views simultaneously, but it is pretty clear that you can never please everybody all of the time. Seems to me Apple is doing a very good job of pleasing most of the people most of the time.

I was perfectly happy with iOS 6, the majority complained because when something looks the same for too long, something has to give. Good thing this doesnt apply to people, otherwise there would be mass genocide.

 

[numlock]

They do it for OS X, and have been for years, but somehow it's like a whole foreign concept to do it for iOS.

what is the reason that updates need to be signed by apple? obviously they dont care if the world is full of the original iphone using 3.1.3

 

[apolloa]

You know that lovely iPod Touch from 3 years ago you got as a lovely gift, the one you used to facetime on with your family? Yeah.... well Apple have just made it OBSOLETE!

Well at least they have stated if you can upgrade to iOS7 then DO IT, but it is not fair for them to literally force you to do this, and I bet they gloat about iOS 7's adoption rate which will now be a complete lie as we won't know how many people have been forced to upgrade, by Apple.

 

[MyopicPaideia]

It seems you, like many posters here haven't tried to run iOS7 on older devices. It's GARBAGE and there is NO justification for it. Why would a stipped down OS with empty UIs and barely any graphics run at half the speed as its predecessor? Forcing users onto iOS7 serves one purpose - to make them immediately want to upgrade the hardware.

See my earlier post. I have 2 iPad 2's and an iPhone 4S running 7, and I don't have any problems. Is it as fast as my retina iPad mini or iPad Air? No - but I don't expect it to, and the latest major update made a noticeable difference.

If this had happened upon 7's initial release, I would understand you more, but 7 is a much more mature beast now, much more comfortable to use on older devices.

 

[mrxak]

I'm leaving my iPhone 4S on iOS 6, but I also use the thing as an iPod Touch and don't ever FaceTime with it. I always upgrade my iPhones exactly one major release, I learned from my 3G that it slows everything down to do more than that. And anyway, that's my choice.

But if it were an iPhone 5? Heck yeah I'd be running iOS 7 on it. I love iOS 7 on my 5S and it's got so many improvements, I can't imagine why anyone would hesitate to upgrade if they were sure their phone would run the update well. I'm sure that all the people scared of iOS 7 will be kicking themselves for not doing so sooner. Aesthetically, everything is just cleaner, but the UI hasn't changed in any functional way except to add new features.

 

[MyopicPaideia]

You know that lovely iPod Touch from 3 years ago you got as a lovely gift, the one you used to facetime on with your family? Yeah.... well Apple have just made it OBSOLETE!

Ummm no. The 4th gen iPod Touch was not affected in the slightest by this FaceTime certificate issue.

 

[C DM]

So many people like to tell everyone else what they should be doing. What makes anyone think that they carry anything as far as telling someone what they should do or what's good for them? What business is it of anyone?

 

[G4DP]

Nope, they're quite easy. That's why Apple's already released the updates (6.1.6 and 7.0.4) with the new certificates.

What the people who won't leave iOS 6 apparently fail to understand/just ignore is that iOS Software Update only checks for the latest version. It simply finds the latest version and downloads it to update. So, for devices compatible with iOS 7, that version is 7.0.4. There is no "select which version to update to", so it's physically impossible for Apple to push 6.1.6 to these devices without disabling updates to iOS 7 altogether, which they clearly aren't going to do.

The moral of the story is: move on with your life and update your device.




These same people also want their device to have security flaws and have their data be vulnerable?

The device does work as sold. The only "*****" here are the whiners who refuse to update.

How does it work as sold if they can no longer use FaceTime fully?

If it worked fully when they bought the device and doesn't work now.

Must be this special Apple logic.

 

[deviant]

to me ios6 just felt boring and same after years, years and years.. i updated, as everybody i know has. and everybody's happy. i mean, it's not even THAT different.. i just got this one friend who has an iPhone 5 and is still on ios6, she's a girl and she doeeesn't like all that "white" cause it's uuuugly and not styyyileeesh.

anyway, do people even use FaceTime that much? i mean, it's cool for the first time, but then i just call people and that's all. i don't really need to see somebody's face more that once a month.. EVEN family members. there are exceptions, but still ...

 

[usarioclave]

The 6.1.6 update was some kind of SSL fix - which means that they started doing some strict validation server side that they weren't doing before. Interesting.

 

[zioxide]

that is actually independent thinking which sadly is lacking in a lot of people.

btw what in your post has got anything to do with what is going on? are you claiming that apple could not have done this differently?

They can't. The software doesn't allow it.

iOS Software Update checks for the newest version of the software compatible for that specific device. If that's iOS 7.1.5 or whatever, than that's what it is.

It's impossible the way the software is currently designed to push an iOS 6.1.6 update to devices compatible with iOS 7 unless Apple disabled updates to iOS 7 altogether. Clearly, they aren't going to do that because a handful of users don't want to update because they don't like the look.

So, the users have a choice to make. Continue using their current iOS 6, which is now vulnerable to multiple exploits and has expired security certificates, or update to the latest version with all the fixes. That latest version is iOS 7.whatever.

This is simply how the update software works.

Actually the only mindlessness here is a bunch of people assuming they know other people's business better than they do and think they should be able to tell them what to do. That's some reality that a lot of essentially anonymous internet posters seem to like to pretend to live in.

I'm not telling anyone they have to update the device. Only explaining WHY they need to update to iOS 7 if they want the fix and why the fix can't be delivered to iOS 6 devices that support iOS 7.

How does it work as sold if they can no longer use FaceTime fully?

If it worked fully when they bought the device and doesn't work now.

Must be this special Apple logic.

It works fully again when you install the newest software patch to fix the bug. That's how they fix problems like this, and it's inevitable with software. No software is perfect. You agree to the terms of service when you buy the device, and part of those terms, you agree to update the device to the latest software if you're having problems.

 

[MisakixMikasa]

The only mindlessness here is the whiners having an emotional meltdown over the colors of some icons and the background of their calendar app without having any clue whatsoever as to how the technology actually works.



They could do this.

However, you do realize that in order to do this, that would require a software update in itself to add this functionality. And in order to do that update, it would have to be in version 7.0.5 or greater, or you would run in to the same exact problem now that you cannot update to anything but the newest version.

OR they could just create iOS 6.1.6 for every devices and let people update through iTunes and change the way iTunes check updates. They also can let people go to Apple Store, let them to do. People have been update their phone through iTunes before. If Apple really wish to do something, they can do it.

I do not understand why iOS would anything different than OS X. If computer can upgrade, downgrade then why cannot iOS do same thing?

 

[C DM]

How does it work as sold if they can no longer use FaceTime fully?

If it worked fully when they bought the device and doesn't work now.

Must be this special Apple logic.

Lots of people seem to use that, instead of the good old fashioned regular logic, which must just too skeuomorphic for them to use these days.

 

[brendu]

If your devices can't be upgraded to iOS 7, chances are it doesn't support FaceTime anyway because there's no front facing cam, or at least this is true for the 3GS. So Apple is pretty much just telling you to update to iOS 7.

On one hand, people should just upgrade. On the other hand, Apple actually killed a functionality that your phone originally came with and you paid for. There could be a class action lawsuit here.

I'm not happy with the way apple handled this bug but there is no chance of a lawsuit when they do offer a fix. I love ios 7 and encourage everyone to upgrade but I don't like how apple is forcing users to upgrade when they didn't have to. If they can fix the bug on the iPod touch in ios6 they could have for all other devices.

Having said that, ios7 was worth it to me for FaceTime audio alone since I use a cheap plan with limited Voice minutes