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Now we just need a way to determine if the seller is in good standing with their carrier before buying. Id love to be CERTAIN that a phone that activates under my account WILL NEVER turn into an $$$ brick because of some idiot...:mad:

It won't activate under your account (I assume you mean you'd be selling it to some Joe Blow?)

When you sell it, you're removing your account association from the phone.
 
It won't activate under your account (I assume you mean you'd be selling it to some Joe Blow?)

When you sell it, you're removing your account association from the phone.

Ive heard of people buying a phone, activating it, then finding their phone deactivated one day because the seller either reported stolen or stopped paying their bill.

Thus far, I havent heard of anyone coming back from this.

Scenario 1:
Joe sells me his iPhone. I activated iPhone. 1 month later, Joe stops paying his bill. The month after (or whenever), Joe's carrier deactivates the phone. Im left high and dry.
 
What if the thief uses Control Center on the lockscreen to put the phone in airplane mode before you're able to wipe it from iCloud.com?
 
What if the thief uses Control Center on the lockscreen to put the phone in airplane mode before you're able to wipe it from iCloud.com?
Hmm this is a good point, if they get the phone, turn it off straight away (which they always seem to) and only plug it into itunes in DFU to restore it, is this whole thing null and void?
 
Disabling location services, which also disables find my iPhone, does not ask for your password.

I may be wrong but I remember hearing somewhere that if Location Services are disabled and you Activate Lost mode in Find my iPhone it will activate them automatically. Additionally, with Location Services off Activation Lock will still be on.

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What if the thief uses Control Center on the lockscreen to put the phone in airplane mode before you're able to wipe it from iCloud.com?

Though you would hope apple would list your IMEI/UDID as soon as you 'wipe' it, so as soon as they connect it back to net, or try and restore with itunes (which dials apple) it will be blocked.
 
Why haven't apple implemented a feature that requires a pass code to turn the phone off? Or a passcode to remove the SIM card?
 
Why haven't apple implemented a feature that requires a pass code to turn the phone off? Or a passcode to remove the SIM card?

I don't really see the point for passcode to turn off, and passcode to remove sim would be pretty difficult to do on a smartphone, when they are trying to keep the weight and thickness down. It would have to be an automated mechanism but then what happens when your phone is dead and you need to get your SIM card out?

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I'm pretty sure the jail breaking team is working on an unlock for this feature :)

If they find a way to crack this, Apple will plug it. I think this is more important than jailbreaking, so Apple will make sure this feature works as advertised on all iPhones, jailbroken or not.
 
What do you mean? If you erase it normally (without using Find My iPhone's 'erase' feature), it will be a clean iPhone for anyone to use.

It's only if you wipe the iPhone with Find My iPhone's new feature will it make it unable to connect to the server without the owner's ID/password.

Can someone verify this? My understanding is any type of wipe will require the iCloud password to activate it again. So you loose your device (or its stolen), the thief immediately tries to erase it to drop the find my phone option. They are required the iCloud pswd to even erase all content. So they cannot even erase it without acct pswd. So it should work either erase from iCloud OR erase via the device itself.

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Notes

Activation Lock, a new feature of Find My iPhone, is turned on automatically when Find My iPhone is enabled on any device running iOS 7. Activation Lock requires users to enter their Apple ID and password to turn off Find My iPhone, sign out of iCloud, erase the device, or reactivate the device after an erase. It’s important to sign out of iCloud, or choose Settings > General > Erase All Content and Settings, before transferring a device to a new user to allow them to use the device.

OK never mind above post. This is what I was thinking too. Thanks
 
Hmm this is a good point, if they get the phone, turn it off straight away (which they always seem to) and only plug it into itunes in DFU to restore it, is this whole thing null and void?

Nope. As long as Find my iPhone is enabled (which everyone should do as soon as they aqquire an iOS device) the phone will not be able to be activated unless the user enters iCloud credentials. As soon as this person finishes a restore in DFU mode it will ask for Apple ID. All iOS devices talk to the mothership during activation and this is all server-side since we have numerous reports of people downgrading back to 6.1.4 and they are prompted to enter iCloud data to activate the device.

This is a fantastic implementation if you ask me. Took them long enough. I hope the jailbreaker teams do not mess with this!
 
This is all wonderful, but I wonder if we'll see an all new type of iPhone muggings:

"Unlock your phone and remove the lockout restriction then give it to me, or I will cut you"

Sounds scary; in a mugging situation you generally want to give them what they want and get away as quickly as possible.
 
sooooo...what if many people don't remember their own passwords? (it's totally possible).

is it then a brick? or can it be restored somehow at the Apple Store? (you have proven that this really is your phone. you registered your name to the serial, etc.)

Unlikely. They don't police ownership now and can't change passwords etc. so they aren't likely to have any way to get past this lock, which is rather the point. If there was a way it would eventually leak out or be found out by a jail breaker etc.

Put it all server side etc and good luck busting it.
 
I thank god for Apple!

some thug stole my white 64gb factory unlocked iPhone on friday :( I had beta 3 loaded in and activation lock and find my iPhone where on there everytime I restored it asked for my iCloud password! so take that you filthy piece of anal waste!!

I had to buy a new one :(:( a new black 64gb unlocked one :cool: but hey at least this one is aws compatible lol

I IMEI unlocked it but with the activation lock they won't be using it as an iPod!


*by the way you don't need the new find my iPhone app installed on the device if the option is enabled on iCloud settings on the iPhone you are good to go.
Everytime I restored back to iOS 6.1.4 after playing around with beta 1 or 2 it asked me for my iCloud password mainly due to activation lock (a new screen in iTunes)before proceding with setting up as new or choosing a backup. and I did not have find my iphone the new version installed
 
so what if the sim is taken out before you can do a wipe? there's no cell service on the phone so can't you still erase all settings and content?
 
so what if the sim is taken out before you can do a wipe? there's no cell service on the phone so can't you still erase all settings and content?

Most criminals quickly sell stolen phones to get the evidence out of their hands, and get money into their hands.
What would be the resale value of an iPhone that could never ever connect to the internet again (lest it gets immediately bricked)?
 
Most criminals quickly sell stolen phones to get the evidence out of their hands, and get money into their hands.
What would be the resale value of an iPhone that could never ever connect to the internet again (lest it gets immediately bricked)?

an IMEI unlock with the activation lock renders the phone as a very expensive paperweight, they might sell some pieces.
 
an IMEI unlock with the activation lock renders the phone as a very expensive paperweight, they might sell some pieces.

Petty thieves becoming mobile device technicians?
Maybe some good will come from this after all...
 
I think this is great, however i don't think it can be determined to work 100% until the hackers get hold of them and try and work around it.

However, I hope this does work for everyone's sake. People have too much information on their iPhone's for some d*ckhead to come and steal it.

Maybe Apple should really market this so all users upgrade, i remember seeing the keynote and there is still a lot of people using iOS 5 and below. I assume these are people who don't have a clue about upgrades.

TV ads, emails etc explaining how maybe would help increase this.
 
It won't activate under your account (I assume you mean you'd be selling it to some Joe Blow?)

When you sell it, you're removing your account association from the phone.

This can happen on tmobile. The imei of the phone is associated with the account since the phone is still being paid off. Doesnt get removed until its paid. So if joe blow doesnt pay off the phone then it gets blocked by tmobile on their network.


The only way around this is going to apple to get it replaced, then the new imei is not associated with any account. But this hasnt been 100% confirmed from what i know...
 
so what if the sim is taken out before you can do a wipe? there's no cell service on the phone so can't you still erase all settings and content?

If the device is activation locked, you need to put in the password to disable the lock or activate it after an erasure. The whole point of this feature is to be proactive and "lock" the device while it is still in your possession! It's not a reactive measure like "Wipe my Phone" is.

When a thief goes to resell a device, the whole point is that they want to sell it to someone as "used". That means wiping it and making it new. If they wipe it, it needs to be reactivated. If the device was "locked" by the original owner while they possessed it, then it doesn't matter. Apple's activation server will simply block the activation, and the activation cannot be done without network access.

It leaves the device mostly useful for parts at that point. And really only the LCD, battery, case (if in good shape), and a couple other small pieces. The logic board cannot be salvaged in that case.

This of course assumes you can't MitM this form of activation or bypass it via jailbreak.

This is all wonderful, but I wonder if we'll see an all new type of iPhone muggings:

"Unlock your phone and remove the lockout restriction then give it to me, or I will cut you"

Sounds scary; in a mugging situation you generally want to give them what they want and get away as quickly as possible.

A non-trivial number of thieves don't actually want a confrontation. But if it can't be avoided, for it to be as brief as possible. So you get a large number of snatch-and-grabs on public transit.

So it affects the incentive for thieves in a couple ways:
1) A snatch and grab thief will start to learn that iPhones are getting harder to fence/resell, and see it as a risk, not an easy meal.
2) The mugger may go for other valuables instead of drawing out the confrontation to get the iPhone too. The extra time involved increases the risk for the mugger, especially when it becomes something easy for the victim to screw up (adding more time), and giving the victim a longer chance to identify you after the fact to police.

Now, I'm not saying it will stop all iPhone-related thefts, but it will increase the risks involved for a non-trivial number of thieves, and reduce the benefit of the result. So it will help reduce the numbers, possibly drastically depending on the makeup of iPhone-related thefts, and how quickly the activation lock gets bypassed down the road.
 
Why haven't apple implemented a feature that requires a pass code to turn the phone off? Or a passcode to remove the SIM card?
Passcode to remove sim! LMFAO!!!!!
Yep, Siri will ask you for the password before you poke the sim out! LOL
 
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