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Capacitive button then right?


A fingerprint sensor doesnt match with a hardware button, which in time will break the sensor if pressed many times.
 
Sigh, everyone here is missing the important part:

The fingerprint sensor is being tied to the FFC for security. So, to make a payment or unlock your phone, you'll seemingly need to take a photo of the user while they have their thumb on the home button. This is far and away more secure than Android's "Face Unlock" feature and less taxing than remembering a PIN for payments.

Um, maybe I'm misunderstanding that text string, but it seemed to me like that was an introduction/tutorial on how to use it. The phone would go through a setup process showing pictures of how to use it. Not that it would require a picture of a person touching the home button to operate, that would literally be impossible from the front camera lol. Just think about it....how would the camera attached to the phone get a wider shot of a person holding the device with their finger on the button....lol
 
...And goodbye Otterbox Defenders. It was a good run.
(I prefer Ballistic's SG. Leaves screen and home button bare.)

I was going to ask how this works with full cover cases. Is there anyway they can be made to work with biometrics?
 
Yeah, because this has never been done before Samsung? Where have you been? A crappy Dell I had from almost 10 years ago had this. It's not new tech. Apple doesn't claim to have invented it either. You are aware they bought the company that makes these, aren't you? (http://www.phonearena.com/news/Appl...6-million-James-Bond-iPhone-to-follow_id32725)

This is exactly what uneducated people don´t understand, "it´s been done before" is worthless. It´s how you actually make it *work* so people use it, and don´t call it crap. That is true innovation.

And just so you know, this is nothing like a "fingerprint" scanner like we have seen before. This solution even care about your "fingerprint" it cares about a whole series of biometric values stemming from your finger. It can´t be easily fooled. It´s small. It´s fast. It´s useful.
 
This is a ridiculous comment.

Wikipedia: "Biometrics (or biometric authentication) refers to the identification of humans by their characteristics or traits"

"Biooptics" isn't even a word.

Anything that reads a fingerprint is included in the definition of biometrics. The implementation details decide if it has weak or strong security, and the hack I mentioned has been demonstrated many times on the most commonly available scanners.

Everything you've said is complete hogwash.

Yes. If Wikipedia says it then it must be true. Even if its not a word I'm sure you can see what he meant was that the fingerprint sensor probably would not rely on optics solely or at all.
 
Best not to loose the finger.

Or worse. It's asking the bad guys to chop the fingers off.

Geez I'm staying away from the iPhone.
 
Best not to loose the finger.

It's asking the bad guys to chop the fingers off.

Geez I'm sticking to iPhone 5.

Yeah I thought the incredibly insecure nature of fingerprint recognition was outlined in action movies? I mean a thief simply needs to cut off your finger and voila, instant access to your phone. :eek:
 
Um, maybe I'm misunderstanding that text string, but it seemed to me like that was an introduction/tutorial on how to use it. The phone would go through a setup process showing pictures of how to use it. Not that it would require a picture of a person touching the home button to operate, that would literally be impossible from the front camera lol. Just think about it....how would the camera attached to the phone get a wider shot of a person holding the device with their finger on the button....lol

Perhaps different fingers will allow different functions to occur such as call up a specific app or folder or authorize different passwords?
 
So this means the home button in the 5S must be capacitive right?

They cant add a fingerprint sensor on the physical home button, so I guess there will be no more hardware button, instead replaced by a capacitive one.

Really?
I could have sworn that the ribbon cable for the home button was already leaked and showed a lot more pins than previous ones.
 
Oh yes, give the NSA your finger prints... It's not like they STORE IT in a huge facility filled with computers with the equivalent storage as 32 gb iPhones stacked to the moon and a bit more.
 
It will be very useful and popular feature. No more password entering! Wait for competitors to say they already working on copying it :)
 
Really damn easy to fake. Most finger print scanners can be fooled by using a laser print of the finger print and your own finger for the rest of the biometrics (heat, pulse, etc).

Use it to select the user only. Then require a password. This could be the key to unlocking multiple user accounts. That would be more useful than using the finger print as a password.

I'm not sure how easy it is to get a laser print/mold of someone's finger....

Obviously, there isn't an uncrackable way to get into someone's iPhone as of yet and a fingerprint scanner is going to change that. However, aside from security there are numerous other applications of a scanner that could be neat, like individual quick-settings for each of your fingerprints, or as you mentioned - multi user devices.

In any case, while a fingerprint scanner may not offer MORE security than my current 4 digit passcode (and I'm not convinced it doesn't), I'll still have the same level of security at least without having to enter a code every time I unlock the phone.

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That's what I was also wondering!

P.S. - Not to be a Grammar Nazi, but without proper punctuation in your signature, it reads as if Schiller is saying, his ass can't be innovated anymore :p

Thanks for the tip ;)
 
Well there you go.I keep hearing these sensors are not secure/reliable,is any of that true?
 
Really damn easy to fake. Most finger print scanners can be fooled by using a laser print of the finger print and your own finger for the rest of the biometrics (heat, pulse, etc).

Use it to select the user only. Then require a password. This could be the key to unlocking multiple user accounts. That would be more useful than using the finger print as a password.

Falling into your definition of what you think the capabilities of a fingerprint scanner are, yes this would be more secure. Having to go through an extra authentication step to unlock my phone is counterintuitive... In reality, I doubt they add yet another step that you have to go through to unlock your device. If they implement it, it will be secure and most likely function better than any other one we've seen up until this point. Remember when touch screens sucked?
 
Everyone seems to have missed the non-highlighted part: "Photo of a person holding an iPhone in their right hand..."

To me, that suggests that it will use facial recognition in conjunction with the fingerprint sensor.

All of you talking about how "easy" it is to defeat the fingerprint sensor are missing the point. Lifting a fingerprint and then duplicating it to break into the phone is not a realistic risk IRL. This is real-life, not some James Bond movie. At the very least, it's far more secure than it is right now with a 4 digit PIN.
 
Seems this will be a iPhone 5 s hardware exclusive, so as to make people upgrade to the newest phone (as opposed to being a software feature).

There's no way to install a fingerprint scanner using software. It's not like Siri where Apple makes up a BS story as to why the old iPhones can't use it.

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Oh yes, give the NSA your finger prints... It's not like they STORE IT in a huge facility filled with computers with the equivalent storage as 32 gb iPhones stacked to the moon and a bit more.

Nobody cares.
 
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