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Yes. If Wikipedia says it then it must be true. Even if its not a word I'm sure you can see what he meant was that the fingerprint sensor probably would not rely on optics solely or at all.

Congratulations - your comment is also ridiculous.

The corollary which makes your statement on Wikipedia meaningless is "Just because it's on Wikipedia doesn't mean it's not true". In any case, Wikipedia's definition of biometrics is not wrong.

What he said was utterly incorrect. He claimed that the kinds of fingerprint sensors I was talking about are not an example of biometrics. He went on to invent a word out of whole cloth and assert it as if it were a common and correct term.

He said nothing about the purported upcoming iPhone technology.
 
Well there you go.I keep hearing these sensors are not secure/reliable,is any of that true?

Most that I have used have been slow and clunky, but then again I would have said the same thing in 2006 about touch screen phones...

Everyone is so quick to doubt.. Apple has a pretty good track record of taking novelty tech and nailing it. How about we wait and see what they've got before we all start crying about fingerprints not being secure.
 
Fingerprint Recognition: The feature everyone knows about, but no one really wants.

Also, any feature that requires you to have your phone out of a protective case is going to be instantly turned off for me. There's no gimmicky feature in the world worth a shattered screen and the associated cost of repairs.
 
Gross. Do not want. Hope you can turn it all off, or ignore it with a rubber home button sticker or something.

I am not a security token. I am a human being. Good luck to the guinea pigs that try this first, I hope I'm utterly wrong and it never has any flaws and it all works out perfectly for you all.
 
... and yet enough that it seems unlikely that it will debut in a mid-life kicker 5s rather than a putative 6 next year.

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Like ... looking at the display? :confused:

There are waterproof cases that let you view/use the screen without removing the phone.

And maybe under Tim so-called "s"releases will be a bigger jump?
 
Really? Your fingerprints will be all over the phone, shouldn't be too difficult to lift them

Maybe you should do a bit of research into how this fingerprint scanner works before you make snide comments? It reads layers beneath the skin, your "fingerprint" as you know it is not what this device is reading.

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That's certainly how many biometric fingerprint scanners work. The most common ones on the market can be defeated with a photocopy of a print on a piece of paper.

And this tech is actually very different from the common ones on the market.
 
Yeah I thought the incredibly insecure nature of fingerprint recognition was outlined in action movies? I mean a thief simply needs to cut off your finger and voila, instant access to your phone. :eek:

They would have to have your phone and you in order to do that. If that was the case, currently, why not simply torture you until you give up you 4 digit pass-code?
 
Most that I have used have been slow and clunky, but then again I would have said the same thing in 2006 about touch screen phones...

Everyone is so quick to doubt.. Apple has a pretty good track record of taking novelty tech and nailing it. How about we wait and see what they've got before we all start crying about fingerprints not being secure.

Yes I would expect Apple not to include it until it worked well.Should be interesting.
 
Really damn easy to fake. Most finger print scanners can be fooled by using a laser print of the finger print and your own finger for the rest of the biometrics (heat, pulse, etc).

Use it to select the user only. Then require a password. This could be the key to unlocking multiple user accounts. That would be more useful than using the finger print as a password.

The number of commenter's that haven't been paying to this specific technology but still want to appear to know it all is astounding.
 
I really hope Apple does this right. Or it could be like the Siri enhancement with the 4S that ends up being useless. I use a fingerprint sensor for my Bloomberg keyboard every day and it is spotty. Not the kind of thing you want to go through when you need to take a call. Basically if your finger isn't clean or in the precise position when you set it up, etc.

I'm cautiously optimistic about this and really hope this isn't the only non-software enhancement to the 5S.
 
Fingerprint Recognition: The feature everyone knows about, but no one really wants.

Also, any feature that requires you to have your phone out of a protective case is going to be instantly turned off for me. There's no gimmicky feature in the world worth a shattered screen and the associated cost of repairs.

First, I'm dying for this. Anyone who uses a phone in an Enterprise environment constantly has to re-enter their 4-8 digit PIN. Second, this really breaks the barrier to cellphone payment methods being more secure.

The way this scanner works, it could probably read through just about anything aside from metal. But of course, that you call this gimmicky tells too much.

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They would have to have your phone and you in order to do that. If that was the case, currently, why not simply torture you until you give up you 4 digit pass-code?

Or, more simply, look for finger prints that match the number keys then try the very few possible combinations of those four numbers. This is why very secure touch keypads randomize the number placement on the screen.
 
Fingerprint Recognition: The feature everyone knows about, but no one really wants.

Also, any feature that requires you to have your phone out of a protective case is going to be instantly turned off for me. There's no gimmicky feature in the world worth a shattered screen and the associated cost of repairs.

Not everyone needs a otter box or life proof case, the majority of people are fine with a case + screen protector!
 
I really hope Apple does this right. Or it could be like the Siri enhancement with the 4S that ends up being useless. I use a fingerprint sensor for my Bloomberg keyboard every day and it is spotty. Not the kind of thing you want to go through when you need to take a call. Basically if your finger isn't clean or in the precise position when you set it up, etc.

I'm cautiously optimistic about this and really hope this isn't the only non-software enhancement to the 5S.

Again, the way this sensor works is that it reads beneath the surface of the skin. You could have callouses, dirt, scars, or even worn off finger prints and this will work.

Siri useless? I guess that's why the feature has competition now? I know for one it's a hell of a lot faster for doing specific tasks and especially useful in the car.
 
First, I'm dying for this. Anyone who uses a phone in an Enterprise environment constantly has to re-enter their 4-8 digit PIN. Second, this really breaks the barrier to cellphone payment methods being more secure.

The way this scanner works, it could probably read through just about anything aside from metal. But of course, that you call this gimmicky tells too much.

I re-enter a 4 digit pin every time I unlock my phone.

I've certainly never thought to myself "Gosh this is tedious -- why can't someone invent a way to do this in such a way that adds new piece of hardware that can malfunction and render my phone unusable."
 
on a cell phone... I still would need one at work or basically anywhere else :)

Not for long.

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I re-enter a 4 digit pin every time I unlock my phone.

I've certainly never thought to myself "Gosh this is tedious -- why can't someone invent a way to do this in such a way that adds new piece of hardware that can malfunction and render my phone unusable."

Why on earth did you switch from your Nokia 6110 to an iPhone in the first place. Obviously, you are more content with the past than the future.
 
finger printing and paying for it!

Different countries - different issues! Over here in Germany the NSA scandal – as in they listen in to any conversation – worldwide - is the main news for the past few days. People over here are VERY, VERY upset. Looking at the most trusted source of news in the USA – The Daily Show – it is not an issue at all in the States. Granted: the German Government pretends to know “nothing” – and it is just a blatant lie, and yes, the German Government is not to be trusted and yes, they just play games in order to get more influence.

I love Apple products; I love their quality, ease of use and their designs. I always followed Apple since the Apple II and I bought most of their (overpriced) products.

To me, as you can tell, an older Apple user, in the past few weeks a red line has been crossed. And that happened by Microsoft, Google and Apple. To my knowledge they all are giving my data, my contacts, my calendar and my pictures and my ways of using my devices to the NSA, other government agencies in the US – and bc the US made deals with German authorities – also to “my” government. Enjoy knowing my habits of watching porn!

However, I started worrying, looking into the future: Governments will become more weak bc they are too running out of resources as in money– same time the Internet will never forget, nor will the NSA!

Imagine: lets say you are living in Greece, you watch porn (like almost everybody male does), the Greek government is part of the NSA scheme and Greek goes bust and they cannot pay their secret service any longer. One has to make a living, right? What will - in this case – prevent those imagined guys from the Greek secrets service to “monetize” their knowledge about me to make a living aka blackmail me? Do you get my drift? Greece will be everywere soon!

How about: some guys show up at my door and tell me: you know mr. xxx: we know that you told your wife you are all faithful but last month you watched 10 dirty movies and chatted with four girls about you know what!

My response? I tell them: it is a lie! Their answer: well, we have your fingerprints on your Iphone 5S….any questions?

To me the only answer is to go low-tech; buy a phone (and yes they will record every word), but that is it. I decided not to buy any more (overpriced!) Stasi-tools from Apple or others like Samsung or MS. The Stasi was the very much-feared secret service of communist East Germany.

Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi.

Enough is enough! Apple now recording my finger-prints and giving it to the NSA (yeah – you won’t bc of the security settings – lol – nobody sane believes you anymore) and on top of that me even being over charged for the device: no way!

Apple, Microsoft, Google and others will loose customers bc of their betrayal to their customers. People are VERY pissed! The "free world" behaves like China!

We have become sheep and I do not trust the shepherds!

Only a fool pays tons of cash freely to get spied on - and forget the nice colorful icons of IOS 7 - those are like the worthless marbles your forefathers gave to the native Americans.
 
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this most likely isn't meant to make your e-mails and text messages more secure, this is definitely for mobile payments. Apple's push into mobile payments better not be half assed like their maps and icloud
 
I really hope Apple does this right. Or it could be like the Siri enhancement with the 4S that ends up being useless. I use a fingerprint sensor for my Bloomberg keyboard every day and it is spotty. Not the kind of thing you want to go through when you need to take a call. Basically if your finger isn't clean or in the precise position when you set it up, etc.

I'm cautiously optimistic about this and really hope this isn't the only non-software enhancement to the 5S.

This fingerprint scanner isn't going to be like current technology you find in, for instance, laptops. I don't think your experience will be comparable to the 5S. Also, the new iPhone is sure to have several other non-software enhancements: faster processor, better camera (higher MP), and dual-LED flash are all really likely. We may even get more RAM!
 
Not everyone needs a otter box or life proof case, the majority of people are fine with a case + screen protector!

Not using one is silly to me -- you're carrying around a device that has an $800 replacement cost. Not taking simple, low-cost steps to ensure it remains functional seems tremendously foolhardy.
 
This will help the NSA get fingerprints for future criminals, gotta get them while they're still young. :p
 
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