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Hopefully they will fix the music app a bit in either 8.1, 8.2 or 8.3

And :apple:, DO NOT remove fullscreen caller ID this time!!!
 
Really unhappy about the return of Camera Roll. All it means is that iCloud Photo Library is no where near launching for everyone. That is terrible.

Why is it that you can't have Camera Roll and iCloud photo library...? I'm not understanding the connection here.
 
Apple Pay will come out in October. At that time Apple Pay will be on the iPhone 6.

Maps has improved some. More stuff on the map like gas stations,drive thrus and better live traffic.

Not quite sure about the POIs, but Maps has always had live traffic since iOS 6.
 
Two things:

Is performance on A5 devices improved like 7.1 beta improved A5 device performance last year?

Is iPhoto supported again?

For the first question, hopefully.

For the second, not officially. But iPhoto is just blacklisted in iOS 8. You can always change iPhoto's application identifier in its info.plist file and resign iPhoto with a developer certifcate to use it on iOS 8. (Supports iPhone 6 and 6 Plus, scaled graphics)
 
Why is it that you can't have Camera Roll and iCloud photo library...? I'm not understanding the connection here.

Camera Roll is only LOCAL pics saved on the device itself.
When iCloud Photo Library will be used than every photo taken will be directly stored in iCloud and not locally on your device. That's why people say camera roll in albums will not make sense once this feature works since there will not be any more locally stored pictures.

Apple wants people to use Moments and only use Albums for specific pictures hence why they probably changed camera roll to recently added and removed the photo stream in Albums. Photo (Moments) shows you every picture, be it in photo stream or on your device. I actually liked this since it streamlined the process.
It must however left people confused since most of them don't use Moments but the camera roll album. Once they changed that people thought some of their pics where gone or didn't know where the photo stream went. I don't really understand why since the photo tab with moments is basically your camera roll and photo stream combined. Apple clearly still plays around with how they will handle organisation.
 
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Camera Roll is only LOCAL pics saved on the device itself.
When iCloud Photo Library will be used than every photo taken will be directly stored in iCloud and not locally on your device.
That's why people say camera roll in albums will not make sense once this feature works since there will not be any more locally stored pictures.

Hence why they probably changed camera roll to recently added and removed the photo stream album. Moments shows you every picture, be it in photo stream or on your device. I actually liked this since it streamlined the process. It must however left people confused since most of them use camera roll and once it got changed to recently added people thought their pics where gone. I don't really understand why since moments is basically your camera roll just much better. Apple clearly still plays around with how they will handle organisation.

Why is it that you can't have Camera Roll and iCloud photo library...? I'm not understanding the connection here.

Maybe Camera Roll is a transitional 'album' that includes all photos/videos, until they switch fully over to PL (Photo Library)? Perhaps when the user makes the change to PL, there will be a 'tour' explaining where the pictures are?

Or, it's possible that Apple will still have a Camera Roll with all photos that are locally stored, up to a certain time/numerical threshold, then the rest optimized in a new 'Photo Library' album?

It's hard to tell without seeing 8.1 with PL enabled to see what it'll look like.
 
For the first question, hopefully.

For the second, not officially. But iPhoto is just blacklisted in iOS 8. You can always change iPhoto's application identifier in its info.plist file and resign iPhoto with a developer certifcate to use it on iOS 8. (Supports iPhone 6 and 6 Plus, scaled graphics)

Oooooo how do you do the second part?
 
Maybe Camera Roll is a transitional 'album' that includes all photos/videos, until they switch fully over to PL (Photo Library)? Perhaps when the user makes the change to PL, there will be a 'tour' explaining where the pictures are?

Or, it's possible that Apple will still have a Camera Roll with all photos that are locally stored, up to a certain time/numerical threshold, then the rest optimized in a new 'Photo Library' album?

It's hard to tell without seeing 8.1 with PL enabled to see what it'll look like.

that could be true in regards to the locally stored optimised version. However I think Apple will handle this seamless so that you will see the optimised version but edits will be saved to the original version. It would probably be even more confusing if there is an album that shows the optimised versions only.
I can't wait for IPL so that photo stream finally dies.
Just judging from people's comments it seems like you guys love your camera roll and not Moments. I really like it and hardly use albums anymore unless for some specific event.
 
well there was a really long thread about the missing camera roll they probably got a ton of negative feedback and brought it back for that reason.

A really long thread full of complainers that have no idea what they're talking about.
 
Recently Added in Photos app renamed to Camera Roll

So what's the difference between recently added and camera roll?

IMO camera Roll makes things so much more complicated if you have multiple devices for those who aren't tech Savvy.

Recently added makes more sense because pics you took on your iPhone or iPad would be in the recently taken. That's easily explainable.

So they're changing the name back to camera roll yet for most people camera roll is a place for pics taken just from that device yet from the screenshot it seems it's gonna be a universal camera roll. If that's the case then I stand by recently added as being the best name for the purpose it serves.

If we go back to a separate camera roll for each device that would truly be disappointing.
 
Why is it that you can't have Camera Roll and iCloud photo library...? I'm not understanding the connection here.

You don't need a separate camera roll with iCloud Photo Library actually in place. All you need is to understand how it actually works.
 
Maybe Camera Roll is a transitional 'album' that includes all photos/videos, until they switch fully over to PL (Photo Library)? Perhaps when the user makes the change to PL, there will be a 'tour' explaining where the pictures are?



Or, it's possible that Apple will still have a Camera Roll with all photos that are locally stored, up to a certain time/numerical threshold, then the rest optimized in a new 'Photo Library' album?



It's hard to tell without seeing 8.1 with PL enabled to see what it'll look like.


I'm running iOS 8.1 beta 1 and am currently enrolled in iCloud Photo Library beta. My "camera roll" is named "All Photos". As far as I can tell, camera roll is back. My "all photos" has all of my iCloud Photo Library photos in it.

The "moments" tab below only shows up when uploading photos to a website.

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Or they figured out how to do both.

There is no "both". iCloud Photo Library hasn't been released.

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Camera Roll is only LOCAL pics saved on the device itself.
When iCloud Photo Library will be used than every photo taken will be directly stored in iCloud and not locally on your device. That's why people say camera roll in albums will not make sense once this feature works since there will not be any more locally stored pictures.

Apple wants people to use Moments and only use Albums for specific pictures hence why they probably changed camera roll to recently added and removed the photo stream in Albums. Photo (Moments) shows you every picture, be it in photo stream or on your device. I actually liked this since it streamlined the process.
It must however left people confused since most of them don't use Moments but the camera roll album. Once they changed that people thought some of their pics where gone or didn't know where the photo stream went. I don't really understand why since the photo tab with moments is basically your camera roll and photo stream combined. Apple clearly still plays around with how they will handle organisation.

No. Yet another person that has absolutely no idea how it works.
 
and its the start of those who actually favored a massive wall of tiny images in photos year/month/etc tabs making noise how "camera roll sucks", cause that was absolutely "organized" whatsoever right, all we need is a toggle for camera roll like display or the giant mess before ios 8.1 beta 1, that should shut them up & let them have their mess back

There is no "both". iCloud Photo Library hasn't been released.

thats why many inc myself have already tried or are using it, right?
 
I'm running iOS 8.1 beta 1 and am currently enrolled in iCloud Photo Library beta. My "camera roll" is named "All Photos". As far as I can tell, camera roll is back. My "all photos" has all of my iCloud Photo Library photos in it.

The "moments" tab below only shows up when uploading photos to a website.

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I'm a dev but haven't installed 8.1 yet. Sounds like "recently added" is now "all photos" and no camera roll for pics taken from a single specific device? If so that's great.

I'd hate going back to a system utilizing an album just for pics taken from a single device and prefer the iCloud photo library method which I'm enrolled in.
 
Maybe Camera Roll is a transitional 'album' that includes all photos/videos, until they switch fully over to PL (Photo Library)? Perhaps when the user makes the change to PL, there will be a 'tour' explaining where the pictures are?

Or, it's possible that Apple will still have a Camera Roll with all photos that are locally stored, up to a certain time/numerical threshold, then the rest optimized in a new 'Photo Library' album?

It's hard to tell without seeing 8.1 with PL enabled to see what it'll look like.

Oh for goodness sake!!! It's not a mystery!!!

iCloud Photo Library is all photos and videos stored locally AND in the cloud. Same stuff, both places, all the time. It works so well that apparently people can't even wrap their head around its simplicity.

You will also have the option to use a brilliant storage optimizing technique to magically free up local space. I won't bother explaining it because people here can't even grasp the basics of how it works.
 
Anyone else find anything interesting?

Would be a shame if this all we get in iOS 8.1.

At least it's just a beta. Maybe future betas will add more.
 
The annoying Safari lag is still there, so is the 3 sec lag after call hanging up. Wifi issues still intermittent and present.
 
Oh for goodness sake!!! It's not a mystery!!!

iCloud Photo Library is all photos and videos stored locally AND in the cloud. Same stuff, both places, all the time. It works so well that apparently people can't even wrap their head around its simplicity.

You will also have the option to use a brilliant storage optimizing technique to magically free up local space. I won't bother explaining it because people here can't even grasp the basics of how it works.

I think a lot of people got that after most switched to iOS 8. What I think a lot of people's concern is over is bringing camera roll back and how that interacts with iCloud photo library.

I don't like seeing camera roll added back because of my family and friends who would be confused after I explained how iCloud photo library works.
 
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