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iOS 8.2 Could See Public Release Next Week, Two More Betas of iOS 8.3 to Come
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Just reading the article, where they state that it will come out on whatever day they said, then they go on to say that it may not.
That was the essence of the comment. I will show you how I got to that humorous (or was it?) conclusion:
That is the basis for the "IOS 8.2 will release on March 2nd" part of the comment. That's called the setup. When you see humorists doing that, they call that the setup, or when done in pairs, it is done by the "straight man" In older days, George Burns would say, at the end of the Burns and Allen Show, "Say Good Night, Gracie" as the straight man.
So this part of the article goes to the part where I put, "or not." This line is the "punch line," which, in humorous terms is a comment or sentence given by the comic that causes the receiver of the joke to see that the premise, or the setup is off by expectations. In the Burns and Allen situation listed above, Gracie Allen would say, "Good night, Gracie" which is unexpected, as the audience interpreted George Burns' line as a command to say "good night" to his wife and comedy partner, Gracie, not as something to be repeated. Hence, Gracie, acting as the comic, delivers the punch line.
In the case I put above, the "or not" is the more sarcastic form of the joke, and therefore gives the reader the idea, especially with the ellipses, the idea of the setup - punch line form.
In delivering that, I am sorry that I did not make it more clear that I was using sarcasm, but in a more personal media, such as face to face communication, the inflection of my voice would be more firm with the, "So, the software will come out on March 2nd." and I would use a more wry inflection in the, "on not." I would, however, deliver the joke with precise timing of 2.4 seconds between the end of the first sentence and the beginning of the second, so give you, the audience time to process the first line as an established fact, before delivering the second line, whereupon I would curl the right side of my mouth in a smirk that would let you know that I was indeed, joking.
In dissecting your comment, I see that you give me allowance for being humorous, then go for the ad hominem attack, just in case I was being serious.
As for rumors, I do understand the idea of a rumor. A rumor is an attempt at those with or without known facts to promulgate facts, based on hunches, partial knowledge of facts, or information that may or may not be true. The range of rumors spans from innocuous to speculative to malicious, with the former being something along the lines of an Jony Ive's favorite cup of coffee, to the speculative, such as an iTV or the release date of an
Watch, to malicious, such as whether Kim Kardashian's baby is the product of a tryst with Alien Boy, as depicted on the cover of The Star tabloid.I do hope that you have confidence in my ability to distinguish between rumor and fact, and the muted ability to make a joke out of it.
I'm sorry this media doesn't have the ability to fully offer an explanation to my comments to the fullest extent possible, and for that, you have my humblest apologies.
If several people report the same problem, then it's likely a problem does indeed exist. Due to the vast array of iOS devices, apps, and usages, they likely don't affect everyone.
Apple's software and hardware really isn't "as perfect as it can be for mass product," and most notably is that it seems to be getting a bit worse.
Look how long iOS 7 was a terribly slow and buggy OS for. Half a year! Half a year of dealing with pretty serious bugs and a painfully slow OS. And back then you had lots of people saying that it ran "perfectly fine", despite it clearly not. 8 definitely has bugs too and design flaws that could and should be addressed fairly quickly.
People ranting about problems with their $1000 cell phones are a lot more warranted than people ranting about them being upset, while claiming that they don't have the issue so it isn't a big deal.
AGain, no proof it is widespread or even more widespread than before : nothing. IOS 2 and 4 had much more serious issues than 7 and 8, nearly bricking previous versions of phones. Took many months to fix these extremely serious issues that affect most older phone users.
Please Google this and then demonstrate to me IOS 7 and 8 are worse than these earlier versions.
One thing that's to be noted; nobody on earth releases versions to older devices in so little time as Apple. Apple older devices don't just get a new OS version, they interact in the manner of months with thousands of third party devices that they can't possibly have tested against. When Apple launches were much smaller, the number of devices it interacted with was much lower, thus much easier to test against internally. That's why Apple is now going to do public Betas just before release to catch these interactions with many unknown variants.
As for the rest,
IOS 7 had less bugs than IOS 8 (not surprising since most changes were in the UI) and most issues were slow performance on Iphone 4 phones (though a less an issue than the IOS 2 and 4 updates). After 7.1, those older devices, now 4.5 year old, had most of their performance restored.
IOS 8 had an extreme number of changes under the hood and should probably had been decoupled from the hardware. Seems mostly did, since many major feature updates were pushed to later (8.1, 8.2, 8.3). By 8.1.1 in November (2 months after release) most of the biggest bugs have been resolved. Doesn't mean nobody got any bugs, there are now 250 million+ people with IOS 8 devices out there, even rare bugs will have many thousands of affected.
As for the "right" to complain. No question. As long as the complaints are specific, relate to the tread and not hyperbolic generalizations, constantly repeating the exact same thing without any source...
For some, their Apple device is seemingly so bad as described by them, that I see no other option than returning it to get the hardware fixed; It seems unlikely to be a software issue. It is unlikely such "grave" issues would affect only them, unless the underlying hardware (or their router) is broken. That's particularly the case if they do a clean install (like a new device) and the problem is not resolved.
Mine doesn't drop a 2.4 Ghz connection, but can't seem to stay connected to a 5 Ghz wifi connection.
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lol no kidding- where does anyone get the idea it's coming out anytime before Sept/Oct?
I think it's mostly wishes. They hear iOS 9 is going to be about optimizing and bugfixes, so they want that NOW.
Your right concerning the usual troubleshooting and finding out what's wrong. But a lot of these "everything is fine" posts have the intention to kill any further discussion. It's getting more and more obvious, because even if the thread starter has done everything (clean install, changed device) and provides video material and some people can reproduce the bug, they insist on their statement. Actually it is kind of funny, because Apple will offer fixes with 8.3 (e.g. animation glitches), which didn't exist according to most posters in the first place.
And your motivation is also questionable. Is this some kind of sophisticated counter-trolling i don't understand? For me these "everything is fine, case closed" posts are part of the degrading discussion culture, not a solution.
If iOS 9 is going Swift all the way like I think*, it doesn't really matter. They can just copy the apps for now, and then grab notes of all the changes brought and bring it to iOS 9 too.
* Based on the rumours saying iOS 9 would mainly bring stability, bug fixes and would be limited to small additions and a whole Apple Maps revamp.
Indeed, switching to Swift already makes the code much faster to work with and much more stable according to many huge developers, and according to the lone developer that I am. There's a lot to gain in doing that.
Same as the 7.0 folk who denied that it had become abysmally slow. It was the usual "well duh, you're running a 4S!", then 7.1 came out and the speed was about half-restored with everyone immediately noticing.
I suspect a decent portion of the "Everything is fine, case closed" posts are related to the developer community. They are the ones who are advantaged most by having everyone update to the latest iOS. Otherwise, I can't figure a purpose of adding "everything is fine" to a conversation where mutliple posters are having a common problem.
Right.. The conspiracy and astroturfing angle, and questioning of motivation of the poster. Like that never kills discussion, ever. Did you actually write that? Seriously? And you don't think that weakens the rest of your argument!
If people insist that their personal bug is the sign that IOS 8 is the most buggy version Apple ever and concrete proof that Apple's quality is in the crap hole (hundreds of variants of these), they'll be challenged because it is demonstrably false. That is what people object too,, not that there are bug; off course there are bugs and if that bug hits you in a major way, it will be annoying.
Also, it is an important info to know that a bug is not generalized and is specific to your situation; this is a critical bit of info. The "it works for me" you object to. If a bug is specific to you, then you have to wonder what's different about your situation instead of having no point of reference.
People who just state their issue without generalization about IOS or Apple's overall performance, look for a solution and say a clean install didn't fix it, are a small group; and they're generally not challenged on their claim (Someone saying it works for them, is not a challenge). Why would they, they stated their own personal issues without making grand claims.
So, you're whole scenario is a straw man.
As for debugging those things; pretty simple really. If someone has despite a reinstall as new:
- A non network related bug that no one has despite using it in the exact same way (that's tricky to verify unless having both phones side by side)
- A Wifi or BT and occurs no matter what WIFI or BT device you link too
There is a great chance that it is a hardware issue. Get the phone fixed.
Everything else is probably an IOS bug, and yes you have the right to complain loudly that there is no fix yet if it is a major annoyance (like a network bug). In that case, for you personally, IOS "whatever version" may indeed be worse than previous versions.
Do you realize that a hundred people (and I'm exaggerating purposely, because it's more like ten/twenty people) complaining on a forum doesn't constitutes a statistically valid mean, speaking about some hundreds millions of installed devices?
In my opinion Apple's products are "as perfect as a mass product" can be, that means they are far from being perfect, but still fine.
Just fine for the vast majority, true. But can still be better in various ways even as a mass product.
Other explanations aren't pretty: maybe the poster is an apple apologist, fanboy or troll.
You are free to have a different opinion on the matter. I just described my personal impression of some of the latest threads in the iOS forum here. I experienced a lot of denying of actual problems. I recommend you to visit some bug threads to get a first hand impression. I still don't have anything against a productive comment like it works for me or i can't reproduce your problem, but a lot of posts sounds like a broken record: It's your fault, mine is fine, Apple is awesome, iOS has no bugs everything is fine, stop complaining....
Counter-trolling ? Nice definition....
I'm not the "everything is fine, case closed" type, being one of the most active user here. But I feel no sympathy for serial complainers, so I'm giving my opinion....
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Absolutely agree with that.
I'm not happy with all Apple's choices....
If you recently updated software and suddenly there's a problem, it is very unlikely to be hardware -- more so when several people are reporting it. I remember Apple telling me this when Bluetooth stopped working the moment I updated to iOS 6 on my 3GS (which turned out to be a common problem on iOS 6).
It would also help the device owners if they were able to revert their devices back to the previous stable version... Then nobody would really care that much. The reason they care is because their expensive device no longer works properly as it did before, and there isn't a thing they can do about it.
But Apple won't do that because they are far more interested in making it easier for developers than they are in keeping devices working well (and problematic older devices might entice them to upgrade hardware).
People venting about their bugs in the updated software that they can do absolutely nothing about is a side effect of not letting people revert to the software that worked properly. It's sad that they often have to wait half a year before some of the bugs and performance issues are addressed, if at all.
I have several clients using iPhones since the first models, now on the iPhone 6s and 6 Plus and iMac 27" and iPads and MacBooks.
I suspect your Access Point may be the problem, specially if it's made by Linksys and some older routers. Search for a firmware upgrade if available.
Telling people that disagrees with you that they are astroturfing is a big accusation, not a mere opinion. It is slander meant to cast yourself as the orthodoxy and shut off dissent. Isn't that what your ironically trying to prevent?
I can read and count too BTW, and the leitmotiv that Apple is going to the dogs and IOS 8 is da worse... (despite proof to the contrary) is a lot more prevalent than than a fair or even overly positive view. That's what some object too, with reason; and yet, you posits that your reality is different...
Seems, reality distortion fields have not fallen out of fashion after all...
Well that makes sense. I guess I just am too use to Apples pattern to think anyone would think Apple would break that pattern.
Exactly. They won't release iOS 9 before the iPhone 6S, which they won't release before October/November because of the cycle in the US with contracts. That's how they've done it for a while, as that's where they get a good chunk of their money.
Please stop twisting my words when you obviously lost the basis for discussion. I never said there is an overly positive view. I just think some of these extremly positive statements are as annoying as the excessive complainers. And i speculated about their motivation. My 5S is working fine with 8.1.3 besides a few little bugs, but my rMini still has a lot problems even after a clean install and a hardware exchange. I still don't feel the need to rush into iPad forums and tell everyone how perfect iOS is, that they shouldn't have a problem and their discussion is useless, because my 5S is working fine.
And for someone who is arguing against broad generalizations you really use a lot of them. Your so called proof (despite being only educated forum common sense) about the high quality of iOS 8 is at least debatable. iOS 8 is not completely garbage, but I have never seen blue screens (on the 6Plus) or Software Updates killing telephone functionality before. There is a minimum of substance in all these complaints and Apple already took actions. Why else did Apple try to improve A5 performance with 8.1.1 when there was no regression? And what is with the the iOS 9 rumors? It must be a huge waste of money and time focusing on fixing bugs, maintaining stability, and boosting performance. Or maybe iOS 8 is not picture perfect as some posters claim.
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You are taking it backwards...
No one is opening threads to say how good iOS 8 is. No one.
But there are some serial complainers basically storming every thread containing the words "iOS 8" to let us know how bad it is.
So in this scenario I find quite normal that people reports all ok on my device.
Because iOS 8 surely isn't perfect, but it isn't the garbage some drama queens are describing lately.