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[Trapezoid]

Well by your own argument that profit is everything apple gave up a lot of potential profit. Image if Apple had in those catch up features. But like I said you measure everything based on profit and measure everything based on that.

You are part of the problem of falling back to saying profit is everything. It is the worship that I have an issue with and I take issue with the profit argument right off the bat.

You have absolutely nothing to base your "imagine if apple had this" statement on. Apple has been selling more than everyone even without those features.

I don't care how much apple makes, I just know that that's all they and every other company cares about. If you're leading every qtr in making money you are not playing catch up.

Trust me Samsung executives are not saying "we've been declining the last two yrs but check out all our features!"

 

[TimelessOne]

You have absolutely nothing to base your "imagine if apple had this" statement on. Apple has been selling more than everyone even without those features.

I don't care how much apple makes, I just know that that's all they and every other company cares about. If you're leading every qtr in making money you are not playing catch up.

Trust me Samsung executives are not saying "we've been declining the last two yrs but check out all our features!"

Got it. You do not understand feature catch up but stuck on profit worship. Just because you are the largest single player does not mean you are the best. It means you can get away with being behind as you have more people who have the put in the opportunity cost of switching.
You also are stuck on the profit worship. Apple is LOSING market share to android bit by bit and part of that is the lack of features. It is a good thing you are not running Apple as the people at Apple understand they are feature lacking and were falling behind in that department and did 2 OS releases that were more or less feature catch up.

 

[tdale]

Got it. You do not understand feature catch up but stuck on profit worship. Just because you are the largest single player does not mean you are the best. It means you can get away with being behind as you have more people who have the put in the opportunity cost of switching.
You also are stuck on the profit worship. Apple is LOSING market share to android bit by bit and part of that is the lack of features. It is a good thing you are not running Apple as the people at Apple understand they are feature lacking and were falling behind in that department and did 2 OS releases that were more or less feature catch up.

You argue that profit share is not relevant. How is device share relevant?

 

[TimelessOne]

You argue that profit share is not relevant. How is device share relevant?

honestly it is not but it is more relevant that profit share in the context that he was using it in and how it was using profit. Apple total profit across the board compared to smaller companies.
Apple profit even in phones not a good one as again this is iOS vs Android. Android has multiple manufactures which drives down profit for the manufactures in Android. iOS Apple can get away with being behind in features as for the most part people choose Android or iOS, then they worry about phone.

 

[tdale]

honestly it is not but it is more relevant that profit share in the context that he was using it in and how it was using profit. Apple total profit across the board compared to smaller companies.
Apple profit even in phones not a good one as again this is iOS vs Android. Android has multiple manufactures which drives down profit for the manufactures in Android. iOS Apple can get away with being behind in features as for the most part people choose Android or iOS, then they worry about phone.

Thats right. Volume share isn't relevant either, if the comparison is skewed.

Apple operates in the upper mid to high end, Android operates in the ultra budget to high end. A huge number of Android phone sales do not compete with iOS, as those sales are in the market that has no Apple phone available. So, if we state for arguments sakes that the whole world knows that Apple phones are the best, and we all agree on that, for the sake of the argument, Android will still have a higher global volume share. Same reason that Toyota sells far more cars then Mercedes, Toyota sells to all car buyers, Mercedes market is much smaller. It doesnt mean Toyota is better, or more popular.

Back to phones. Say a customer can buy Apple as an option. He/She goes to a store, sees an Apple phone they can afford, also sees 15 other phones in similar price points. Different shapes and sizes, etc. Lets say they are all equal in price and quality. Many people see a phone as a phone, so therefore, for that group, There are 16 phones they can buy and a phone is just a phone, so Apple's likelihood of that sale is already low.

So, how can we have a relevant share to show what phone/platform is more popular?

 

[Trapezoid]

Got it. You do not understand feature catch up but stuck on profit worship. Just because you are the largest single player does not mean you are the best. It means you can get away with being behind as you have more people who have the put in the opportunity cost of switching.
You also are stuck on the profit worship. Apple is LOSING market share to android bit by bit and part of that is the lack of features. It is a good thing you are not running Apple as the people at Apple understand they are feature lacking and were falling behind in that department and did 2 OS releases that were more or less feature catch up.

Just repeating that I'm profit worshipping doesn't make it so. By your logic your stuck on feature worship. It's people like you who worship features that make Samsung release these gimmicky phones and are driving their profits down. Pretty silly statement right?

It's the same type of statement as yours about profit worship. I mean the facts don't lie. You've got one company, Samsung, who has been throwing every feature under the sun into their phones for the past two years and have been declining in sales and profits those past two years.

You've got another company, apple, that has just been releasing phones that people are buying and their sales have been increasing and profits exploding the past two years.

And yet we're still trying to say that features especially gimmicky wonky ones are what make customers happy and what makes companies money? The facts, they don't agree with you.

Features are nice, but clearly and overwhelmingly they are not the reason people are buying these phones.

 

[tdale]

Just repeating that I'm profit worshipping doesn't make it so. By your logic your stuck on feature worship. It's people like you who worship features that make Samsung release these gimmicky phones and are driving their profits down. Pretty silly statement right?

It's the same type of statement as yours about profit worship. I mean the facts don't lie. You've got one company, Samsung, who has been throwing every feature under the sun into their phones for the past two years and have been declining in sales and profits those past two years.

You've got another company, apple, that has just been releasing phones that people are buying and their sales have been increasing and profits exploding the past two years.

And yet we're still trying to say that features especially gimmicky wonky ones are what make customers happy and what makes companies money? The facts, they don't agree with you.

Features are nice, but clearly and overwhelmingly they are not the reason people are buying these phones.

Correct. You can sell good phones at a profitable price, Apple
Or you could discount by 20% after one month as Samsung does, and I read the other day they are 40% discounted now, this will drive sales, but its an artificial sales volume driver

 

[TimelessOne]

Just repeating that I'm profit worshipping doesn't make it so. By your logic your stuck on feature worship. It's people like you who worship features that make Samsung release these gimmicky phones and are driving their profits down. Pretty silly statement right?

It's the same type of statement as yours about profit worship. I mean the facts don't lie. You've got one company, Samsung, who has been throwing every feature under the sun into their phones for the past two years and have been declining in sales and profits those past two years.

You've got another company, apple, that has just been releasing phones that people are buying and their sales have been increasing and profits exploding the past two years.

And yet we're still trying to say that features especially gimmicky wonky ones are what make customers happy and what makes companies money? The facts, they don't agree with you.

Features are nice, but clearly and overwhelmingly they are not the reason people are buying these phones.

But again lets look at iOS 7 and 8. Almost all the big items in BOTH of those were pure catch up to Android. Android had them for years. There is over doing features and then there just are messing features. iOS 7 and 8 were nothing more than catch up to what Android had been offering very long time for the most part. (welcome to 4 years ago Apple),
I have a strong feeling you do not like the fact that it is being pointed out that iOS 7 and 8 are a yawn and catch up.

iOS7 brought a flatten UI. That was new but almost everything was welcome to 4 years.
I can ask again what something new did iOS 7 and 8 bring to the table that Android has not had for a long time? If that is not catch up then I sure as hell do not know what it is.

 

[Trapezoid]

But again lets look at iOS 7 and 8. Almost all the big items in BOTH of those were pure catch up to Android. Android had them for years. There is over doing features and then there just are messing features. iOS 7 and 8 were nothing more than catch up to what Android had been offering very long time for the most part. (welcome to 4 years ago Apple),
I have a strong feeling you do not like the fact that it is being pointed out that iOS 7 and 8 are a yawn and catch up.

iOS7 brought a flatten UI. That was new but almost everything was welcome to 4 years.
I can ask again what something new did iOS 7 and 8 bring to the table that Android has not had for a long time? If that is not catch up then I sure as hell do not know what it is.

I have an lg g3, I think apple is very behind on features. I think what you don't understand is that they're not playing catch up to anyone. The features are nice, but again they clearly were not affecting apples sales. That's why I'm saying you harping on features doesn't make sense.

Are you implying that apple, who has been growing for I believe it was something like 24 out of 25 qtrs, without these features, was suddenly going to start losing sales if they didn't release ios7 and 8?

The only reason they probably didn't have these feature is because Jobs wouldn't allow it. As soon as cook took over he started doing it.

This reminds me of when people started saying apple was doomed when their stock price went down two years ago. All the while they were selling more devices than ever in their company history!

Again, the insinuation that apple needed these features to stay afloat is nice, but the facts don't agree with you.

I get the feeling you don't like the fact that the gimmicky features are still not drawing people away from apple.

 

[tdale]

But again lets look at iOS 7 and 8. Almost all the big items in BOTH of those were pure catch up to Android. Android had them for years. There is over doing features and then there just are messing features. iOS 7 and 8 were nothing more than catch up to what Android had been offering very long time for the most part. (welcome to 4 years ago Apple),
I have a strong feeling you do not like the fact that it is being pointed out that iOS 7 and 8 are a yawn and catch up.

iOS7 brought a flatten UI. That was new but almost everything was welcome to 4 years.
I can ask again what something new did iOS 7 and 8 bring to the table that Android has not had for a long time? If that is not catch up then I sure as hell do not know what it is.

????

Your posts were about Trap's profit share comments, and you negating that, now you have moved away from that to feature catch up? Dunno why?

Its common knowledge hat Apple is catching up features, so I don't see how that matters. Ive mentioned at many times on MR threads. SJ philosophy held features back, and screen size, now the feature catchup is largely done. Screen size is done.

"I can ask again what something new did iOS 7 and 8 bring to the table that Android has not had for a long time? " Can you make cell calls on a wifi tablet or your PC? Can you send/recieve SMS/MMS on your PC or wifi tablet? Can you be on a document, webpage, etc on your teeny phone, and decide to go to your PC/tablet and just click one temporary icon to seamlessly be there?

Remember also that the 3500 new features Samsung brings to the table don't work well. The air thing seemed pretty darn good, but even that didn't work well.

 

[tdale]

He probably should have qualified that by malware percentage.
One is inherently insecure, the other is much more secure, aka much less insecure

 

[Oletros]

He probably should have qualified that by malware percentage.
One is inherently insecure, the other is much more secure, aka much less insecure

The OS is not insecure, no OS is immune to the USER installing malware.

Malware has nothing to do with an OS being secure or not.

And why do you say an OS is inherently insecure?

 

[tdale]

The OS is not insecure, no OS is immune to the USER installing malware.

Malware has nothing to do with an OS being secure or not.

And why do you say an OS is inherently insecure?

The AppStore is vetted, so there is much much less chance of malware getting through. Its thus more secure. Play Store is not treated the same, so its inherently insecure as there is far less interest taken into the apps that any Joe Bloggs can upload.

Yes, the user can install malware, but where do installations emirate from? The stores. Apple has only one means to install apps, and they are highly vetted. Only if you JB, are you exposing yourself, the USER, to allow malware to have an easier means to get onto your device

 

[Oletros]

The AppStore is vetted, so there is much much less chance of malware getting through. Its thus more secure. Play Store is not treated the same, so its inherently insecure as there is far less interest taken into the apps that any Joe Bloggs can upload.

Yes, the user can install malware, but where do installations emirate from? The stores. Apple has only one means to install apps, and they are highly vetted. Only if you JB, are you exposing yourself, the USER, to allow malware to have an easier means to get onto your device

I repeat, installing apps has nothing to do with the OS being more or less secure, they are not using any vulnerability of the OS, it is a normal installation. What it is less "secure" is the source of apps.

 

[C DM]

The OS is not insecure, no OS is immune to the USER installing malware.

Malware has nothing to do with an OS being secure or not.

And why do you say an OS is inherently insecure?

Fairly sure there's a good deal of sandboxing going on in iOS as well.

 

[B4U]

I have no problems with that as that's a basic workaround.

So it is okay for someone to come inside your home without your permission and do a dump in the living room as long as you can clean that up?

 

[I7guy]

It boggles my mind this blind worship of companies and profits. I guess you like being ripped off and screwed over by the mega elite. This is not about Apple but across the board the blind worship of profit over everything.

As for part about Apple play catch up again being the most profitable does not mean that they are not behind. Most of iOS 7 and 8 was adding features that android has had for years. It was a about time apple.

Ask Samsungs mobile division about profits, if you don't think it's important. They are not not-for-profit companies.

Also Apple playing catch-up...like Touch ID. Sure finger print readers have been around, but Apple made it easy and eminently user-friendly.

 

[tdale]

Ask Samsungs mobile division about profits, if you don't think it's important. They are not not-for-profit companies.

Also Apple playing catch-up...like Touch ID. Sure finger print readers have been around, but Apple made it easy and eminently user-friendly.

And Continuity, Handoff, the general word is that there is now feature parity to the point where it doesnt matter. Android will play catchup to Continuity as well.

 

[Trapezoid]

And Continuity, Handoff, the general word is that there is now feature parity to the point where it doesnt matter. Android will play catchup to Continuity as well.

Yep everyone is inspired by everyone else and there's nothing wrong with that.

It's always hilarious to me when people say the iPhone was something that would have happened even if apple didn't do it and downplay apples success, but then act like inserting a picture from your front camera into a picture taken by your back camera is the most innovative thing ever.

 

[mercuryjones]

Yep everyone is inspired by everyone else and there's nothing wrong with that.

It's always hilarious to me when people say the iPhone was something that would have happened even if apple didn't do it and downplay apples success, but then act like inserting a picture from your front camera into a picture taken by your back camera is the most innovative thing ever.

On the internet, it's Everything But Apple, when discussing innovation.

 

[Elvergun]

And Continuity, Handoff, the general word is that there is now feature parity to the point where it doesnt matter. Android will play catchup to Continuity as well.

But when everybody catches up to everyone else, people will still desire Apple products and only settle for Android. Many drivers want to own a BMW, Mercedes or a Lexus, but they have to settle for a Jetta, Camry or Accord.

Apple products are regarded as somewhat of a luxury item, while Android devises are only the next best thing. All the catching up in the world is not going to change that. This is a painful reality that exists in the back of the heads of all Android fans. Their OS of choice might sell the most units, but what people really want is an iPhone. This fact is illustrated by the success of the iPhone 6. With the new iPhones many people got what they desired - an iPhone...and a bigger screen.

 

[C DM]

But when everybody catches up to everyone else, people will still desire Apple products and only settle for Android. Many drivers want to own a BMW, Mercedes or a Lexus, but they have to settle for a Jetta, Camry or Accord.

Apple products are regarded as somewhat of a luxury item, while Android devises are only the next best thing. All the catching up in the world is not going to change that. This is a painful reality that exists in the back of the heads of all Android fans. Their OS of choice might sell the most units, but what people really want is an iPhone. This fact is illustrated by the success of the iPhone 6. With the new iPhones many people got what they desired - an iPhone...and a bigger screen.

Yeah it really doesn't exist in the heads of everyone that uses Android, not by far. Making it a rather non-existent reality.

 

[Elvergun]

Yeah it really doesn't exist in the heads of everyone that uses Android, not by far. Making it a rather non-existent reality.

I didn't say that it exists in the heads of everyone who uses Android...I'm talking about those who are big time fans of the OS. You know, the ones who come to this site and spend hours arguing about how Android is better and post about how their fictitious Apple products are bending by just looking at them.

 

[C DM]

I didn't say that it exists in the heads of everyone who uses Android...I'm talking about those who are big time fans of the OS. You know, the ones who come to this site and spend hours arguing about how Android is better and post about how their fictitious Apple products are bending by just looking at them.

You simply said all Android fans, which is a very large generalized group. And even those who are on sites like this that might talk about what they like about Android or how they find this or that better, there's still nothing that could really be said about what they are thinking aside from overgrneralized sterotypical guesses that don't really hold much value (aside from basically trying to get a rise and/or create some put down...all of which is certainly without value).

 

[viorelgn]

The point it is trying to make is Apple has a much better update process. Android is faced with a bunch of **** that is unfair (carriers blocking Google Wallet another example), but as far as real world use that still cripples them. It's not saying Google is sitting back and saying "You want to upgrade? Well **** you!", but the outcome is still that iPhones are updated and Android phones are not.