iOS 8 Adoption Rate Hits 72% As Android Lollipop Distribution Reaches 1.6%

[tdale]

Oh so now you want to change your criteria again?

Wow, I have read your posts, but this the cake. Im not sure what your on, but keep my kids away from it

Let's see, original debate, ios vs android installed base. android clearly has a larger installed base. sorry, iOS lost on that one.

Correct. Installed base of smartphones, one has a full installed base of every phone from cheap to high end, the other just has high end.

Second attempt... Apple sells more phones than any other manufacturer... You specifically said we needed to directly compare sales volume of Apple to sales volume of Samsung. Samsung sells more phones than Apple. Lost again dexter.

BY 600,000 you mentioned? See post above

3rd try, now you want to argue about who makes greater profits? Amazing how you have to keep changing your criteria and switching arguments.

No

But again you fail.

The word "again" is an attempt to improve the negative, unsuccessfully

The very article you cite as evidence, show Samsung having made profits in the trillions. Yet Apple only made profits in the billions.

Samsung made trillions of US$ selling smartphones?????

Regardless of whether Samsung had a decline compared to last year, they are still trillions of dollars ahead of Apple in profits. Sorry dexter, you'll need to rework your criteria again.

LOL, sorry, but this is ridiculous, post citation please

All anyone has to do is read the information with an open mind,

agree

and it clearly shows that Android is currently the established dominant installed base.

Dominant? No. Largest, yes, quite different as you know. Toyota is more dominant than Mercedes, correct?

Samsung is the current highest volume manufacturer.

Yes.

Apple is definitely challenging the market, but to get an installed base that is larger than Android is going to be a challenge for ios.

You talk Samsung, then you talk Android??? Is it a challenge that by ignoring the ultra budget to mid mid range, Apple is doing rather well. Any CEO would be happy to not be competing in the large but lossy low end

You can twist the data anyway you like, but it doesn't change those simple facts.

Correct

And you know what? Samsung doesn't really care either way. The more Apple sells, the more they pay Samsung.

Lucky Samsung. Sorry to be facetious, but this post is joke. Samsung fanboyism has distorted you, or is that Apple hate-ism?

It's a win win for Samsung. Samsung sells their own phones, and gets money. Apple sells phones and pays Samsung money for producing the parts for Apple. It all works out to put more money in Samsung's bank account.

Yep, lucky Samsung, all good in business, its not all about fanboyism. Unlike you, Apple can be biased towards themselves but also appreciate the quality of Samsungs screens and chips

Fact of the matter, is that without Samsung, Apple would be in a worse position.

Yes, temporarily

If Apple could do it without Samsung, they would. They've tried... Yet they always end up back at Samsung for parts and production. So, there you go.

yes, there you go, Apple needs Samsung to hold their head above water.....otherwise Apple would be sunk. Samsung would use all their smartphone profits, $5, to take the market. To other readers, apologies, this post is bizarre. Apple makes more money than everyone else put together. Samsung is losing money on smartphones . Why? Consumers have lost interest on 3500 new features, .1 inch BIGGER screen, Touchwiz ruining the user experience. Discounting by 20% on a new release after 30 days, now its reported to be a 40% discount.

 

[Keirasplace]

Both of our experiences are anecdotal and subject to a vast amount of differentials. Just because my user experience with iOS 6 (on an iPhone 4) was poor and yours wasn't, doesn't mean it's not true. User experience differs vastly from user to user and entirely depends on their hardware, how they use their device, the software they have installed and even their location.

Never used Cyanogen in my entire life btw. I rarely bother with the modding of my devices I just want to use them.

YOU are the one who gave a broad assessment of Apple based on your anecdotal experience, not me. If your making some grand declaration, better be sure you got all your ducks lined up and quacking at the same time ;-).

Considering the fact that I've used IOS6 quite extensively on a much slower phone for much longer than you, and that there were nary a complaint about IOS 6 on the Iphone 4 when it was released, asserting that IOS 6 doesn't work on most Iphone 4 is demonstratively false.

BTW' my usage is pretty much to the limit of what the 3GS was built to do :
- 120 apps, 200+ photos, 5000+ songs, 10+ podcasts, 10+ TV eps + films.
- Used for DLNA server, DNLA client, streamed TV
- Use it for Racing games (though not recent ones)
- Every day 20-30 calls, 50+ sms, a few dozens emails in several accounts, dozens of notifications, viber for VOIP
- Use it for Bluetooth to Speakers or headsets
- Use the GPS : runkeeper on it when I jog with it, GPS app in the car
- routinely use in very bad reception areas, Used abroad 5+ times a year
etc, etc, etc

The only thing that IOS 6 versus IOS 3 has done negatively is make it slightly slower to start and app, switch an app, interupt and app. This is not even the case on the Iphone 4. Despite this, the added functionality of IOS6 is totally worth it. The only think I really wish the 3GS had is a better Camera. The 3GS was the first really good Iphone and it still chugs along.

 

[Rodster]

Wow this thread is about 10% on topic and the rest is fanbois bingo

 

[lowendlinux]

Wow this thread is about 10% on topic and the rest is fanbois bingo

Yea and that's pretty standard fare no matter which enthusiast forum you pick, threads like this are fun to read however.

 

[roadbloc]

YOU are the one who gave a broad assessment of Apple based on your anecdotal experience, not me. If your making some grand declaration, better be sure you got all your ducks lined up and quacking at the same time ;-).

If you had read all of my posts properly in the correct context you would know full well that my 'grand declaration' was simply that Google have a totally different software support scheme than Apple and that their 1.6% distribution level on the latest OS isn't as bad as it sounds.

Considering the fact that I've used IOS6 quite extensively on a much slower phone for much longer than you, and that there were nary a complaint about IOS 6 on the Iphone 4 when it was released, asserting that IOS 6 doesn't work on most Iphone 4 is demonstratively false.

Look, all I said was that iOS 6 was buggy for me. I'd be lying if I said otherwise. But I never said it didn't work. And just because the hardware is more powerful, it doesn't mean there cannot be any hardware/software related issues. So bang on about iOS 6 all you want, it has very little to do with the point (or grand declaration in your terms) I had for the thread.

All you have done here is read one of my replies to another post and jumped to conclusions. 0/10.

 

[B4U]

You're not forced to install it are you anymore? So, you're telling me that people would install something completely blindly?

So, how to Android users update? Completely blindly too? Seems not since they so few people got L.

How easy is it to revert on Android for the average user... Not that easy from what I saw, especially for major updates.

You actually can revert IOS I believe in the first few days of release. But, not later on.

When Apple forces the update to be downloaded to the device WITHOUT the owner's authorization, does it even need to further be discussed?
Did I mention anything about android? Why did it got brought up in this argument?
Ultimately, can people still roll back to 7 or 6 now?

 

[tdale]

When Apple forces the update to be downloaded to the device WITHOUT the owner's authorization, does it even need to further be discussed?
Did I mention anything about android? Why did it got brought up in this argument?
Ultimately, can people still roll back to 7 or 6 now?

How am I forced to update? I get a notification, a red number, not forced to update.I agree , using the word "forced" reinforces your argument, but it is incorrect. Try Again

 

[C DM]

How am I forced to update? I get a notification, a red number, not forced to update.I agree , using the word "forced" reinforces your argument, but it is incorrect. Try Again

Seems like the context there in regards to the update being automatically downloaded to the phone, not actually installing/updating.

 

[B4U]

How am I forced to update? I get a notification, a red number, not forced to update.I agree , using the word "forced" reinforces your argument, but it is incorrect. Try Again

I said forced to download the update. I did not say forced to install the update. The update will just download on its own when on Wi-Fi and plugged in.
Reading issues?
Try again.

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Seems like the context there in regards to the update being automatically downloaded to the phone, not actually installing/updating.

I am so glad we still have reasonable people with reasonable reading ability. Thank you!

 

[LordVic]

How am I forced to update? I get a notification, a red number, not forced to update.I agree , using the word "forced" reinforces your argument, but it is incorrect. Try Again

Apple "forced" iOS 7 on previous compatible devices. Besides just a notification,

many devices, if on WiFi, and had sufficient free space (4gb or more), automatically downloaded the update from Apple servers. There was NO way to release this used space without installing.

So yeah, they weren't forcing anyone to upgrade, but it was more "upgrade or lose 4gb of your space"

 

[Rodster]

Apple "forced" iOS 7 on previous compatible devices. Besides just a notification,

many devices, if on WiFi, and had sufficient free space (4gb or more), automatically downloaded the update from Apple servers. There was NO way to release this used space without installing.

That only occurs if WiFi is turned on and the device is plugged in and charging.

 

[lowendlinux]

That only occurs if WiFi is turned on and the device is plugged in and charging.

So it's OK under those conditions?

 

[TimelessOne]

It boggles the mind that anyone can suggest that a company that is the most valuable company in the world is playing catch up. Only on macrumors...lol

It boggles my mind this blind worship of companies and profits. I guess you like being ripped off and screwed over by the mega elite. This is not about Apple but across the board the blind worship of profit over everything.

As for part about Apple play catch up again being the most profitable does not mean that they are not behind. Most of iOS 7 and 8 was adding features that android has had for years. It was a about time apple.

 

[Rodster]

So it's OK under those conditions?

I have no problems with that as that's a basic workaround.

 

[viorelgn]

That's unrealistic since Android releases not only on high end devices, but also mid end and low end. A lot of those can't update, so it's meaningless to set such an arbitrary standard.

 

[lowendlinux]

I have no problems with that as that's a basic workaround.

OK.

Some of aren't OK with updates being pushed and unpacked especially large ones. Some of us would prefer to be notified that there is an update available for us to download when we're ready it is after all our device. That auto push and the inability to "trust" my Linux boxes are the reason I don't own iPhones anymore.

 

[Rodster]

OK.

Some of aren't OK with updates being pushed and unpacked especially large ones. Some of us would prefer to be notified that there is an update available for us to download when we're ready it is after all our device. That auto push and the inability to "trust" my Linux boxes are the reason I don't own iPhones anymore.

All I own are iPad's and I have yet to experience an automatic OTA FW push without being plugged in and internet access turned on. Each time there is an update i'm notified.

There are more severe methods like the one Amazon uses where it downloads OTA updates without warning and installs and reboots itself if you are connected to the internet and it doesn't matter if your device is plugged in or not.

 

[lowendlinux]

All I own are iPad's and I have yet to experience an automatic OTA FW push without being plugged in and internet access turned on. Each time there is an update i'm notified.

There are more severe methods like the one Amazon uses where it downloads OTA updates without warning and installs and reboots itself if you are connected to the internet and it doesn't matter if your device is plugged in or not.

Because Amazon is wrong doesn't make Apple right. They're both equally wrong

 

[Rodster]

Because Amazon is wrong doesn't make Apple right. They're both equally wrong

One (Amazon) gives you NO option. The other (Apple) has an option. Big, big difference. When OTA FW updates are forced by Apple then they can be lumped in with Amazon.

 

[LordVic]

All I own are iPad's and I have yet to experience an automatic OTA FW push without being plugged in and internet access turned on. Each time there is an update i'm notified.

There are more severe methods like the one Amazon uses where it downloads OTA updates without warning and installs and reboots itself if you are connected to the internet and it doesn't matter if your device is plugged in or not.

Amazon's solution is terrible.

Doesn't make Apple's better.

if the work around to save yourself 4gb of space, not download 4gb of data needlessly, is to keep your iPad offline while charging, than it's an unsuitable solution.

 

[lowendlinux]

One (Amazon) gives you NO option. The other (Apple) has an option. Big, big difference. When OTA FW updates are forced by Apple then they can be lumped in with Amazon.

Apple didn't give me an option they pushed 7 to my phone it didn't auto install but it was pushed to my phone without my asking.

 

[Oletros]

All I own are iPad's and I have yet to experience an automatic OTA FW push without being plugged in and internet access turned on. Each time there is an update i'm notified.

There are more severe methods like the one Amazon uses where it downloads OTA updates without warning and installs and reboots itself if you are connected to the internet and it doesn't matter if your device is plugged in or not.

An smartphone or tablet with Wi-Fi on and charging is really a common situation.

Can the auto downloaded update be deleted?

 

[C DM]

That only occurs if WiFi is turned on and the device is plugged in and charging.

Which is what happens with just normal use for many many people.

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I have no problems with that as that's a basic workaround.

Having to constantly disable to purposefully avoid something that is simply part of everyday usage is not a basic workaround. It's pretty much as far away from basic as it gets as far as its pointless interference to normal use of the device if one has to constantly remember and waste time doing that on a regular basis.

 

[Trapezoid]

It boggles my mind this blind worship of companies and profits. I guess you like being ripped off and screwed over by the mega elite. This is not about Apple but across the board the blind worship of profit over everything.

As for part about Apple play catch up again being the most profitable does not mean that they are not behind. Most of iOS 7 and 8 was adding features that android has had for years. It was a about time apple.

Has nothing to do with profit worship. A corporations goal is to make money. It's the epitome of naivety and stupidness when I hear people say "Google is so good they care " get a grip.

A for catch up, how have these lack of features hurt apple? I don't understand how you're dismissing their sales as proof that not many people care about the ability to root their phones and do whatever else Android users think everyone wants to do.

How has apple been affected by being so "far behind"?

 

[TimelessOne]

Has nothing to do with profit worship. A corporations goal is to make money. It's the epitome of naivety and stupidness when I hear people say "Google is so good they care " get a grip.

A for catch up, how have these lack of features hurt apple? I don't understand how you're dismissing their sales as proof that not many people care about the ability to root their phones and do whatever else Android users think everyone wants to do.

How has apple been affected by being so "far behind"?

Well by your own argument that profit is everything apple gave up a lot of potential profit. Image if Apple had in those catch up features. But like I said you measure everything based on profit and measure everything based on that.

You are part of the problem of falling back to saying profit is everything. It is the worship that I have an issue with and I take issue with the profit argument right off the bat.