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iOS 8 Beta 2 Tidbits: Permanent Podcasts App, QuickType Keyboard for iPad, and More

babaroga73 said:
They made that promise in iOS 5 (or 6 ?) and yet I am on iOS 7.1.1 and don't have something I had before. They Should be fair and make iOS 7.1.2 just to fix this issue.
They will brag about users switching to iOS8, while I would do that just to bring back Full Screen Contact Pics.
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See my comment a few comments up, I got it working.
 
dmccloud said:
Microsoft also controlled over 90% of the PC market at the time. Apple doesn't even come close to that level of domination, which is why the two situations are treated differently.
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^^^^^^^^
He's right. If you don't like the services on one phone, you have the option to get Android or Windows or coming soon, Tizen.

There are other players at stake, with much larger market share. You aren't forced to use one phone.

Microsoft was mainly in trouble because you HAD to use Internet Explorer to update Windows OS. I believe it's one of the reasons we saw Silverlight enter? Something along those lines. Bottom line you had to have Internet Explorer to use Windows. That's why they were in trouble with having such a high market share.
 
aslucher said:
^^^^^^^^
He's right. If you don't like the services on one phone, you have the option to get Android or Windows or coming soon, Tizen.

There are other players at stake, with much larger market share. You aren't forced to use one phone.

Microsoft was mainly in trouble because you HAD to use Internet Explorer to update Windows OS. I believe it's one of the reasons we saw Silverlight enter? Something along those lines. Bottom line you had to have Internet Explorer to use Windows. That's why they were in trouble with having such a high market share.
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When the EU made their ruling about Microsoft having to sell versions of Windows without IE, they had to create the Windows Update app/control panel and separate it from the browser. Silverlight was actually their "answer" to Flash.
 
mainstreetmark said:
I agree. I've always agreed. I don't understand why i have to have a Stocks app.

Remember when Windows forced IE onto everyone? How is this not the same thing with iOS and Safari.

(also, my usual comment: the podcasts don't sync very well, so i hope they fix that... again)
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Microsoft didn't get into trouble because they "forced IE onto everyone". They got into trouble because they used their monopoly position to force other companies to bundle IE and other apps against their will, and since there was no viable alternative to Windows at the time they had to comply if they wanted to keep their licenses.

The only company Apple is forcing in this case is itself. Companies can put whatever they want in their own product, it's their choice.

What Microsoft was found guilty of by the DOJ is akin to what Google is doing right now with Android, they force companies to bundle Google apps so they get access to the Google Play store. But Google is not (yet) considered a monopoly so there's nothing illegal about it.
 
ActionableMango said:
The DOJ alleged that Microsoft was abusing its monopoly power with desktop operating systems and thus would destroy the competition by bundling a browser, making it the default, and requiring the use of that browser in many cases.

Apple's market share in the US is less than 50% and falling. As for the rest of the world, their market share much smaller than 50%. There is plenty of competition, so its not an abuse of monopoly power.
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In the EU the test isn't "monopoly market power", it's "ability to significantly affect pricing".

Which has been successful in cases with market share in the low 40%s. Apple do need to actually be careful.

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Yelmurc said:
Having the podcast app as a default is nothing but good news in my opinion. Sure its another app to throw into a folder for those who do not enjoy podcasts, but its going to help the podcast industry thrive and I, as a podcast listener am thrilled.
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Growth of the podcast industry is good.

Apple's ****** Podcast app (that's so ****** the entire team responsible was rumoured to have been fired) isn't going to help grow the industry. More likely to alienate people compared to one of the actually good apps in the app store.
 
dannys1 said:
I wish there was a do not disturb on notification centre for iOS like there is on OSX.

The current DND is only any good for over night, if you actually use the phone or have the screen on the notifications still come through. Occasionally id like to turn everything except phone calls off whilst streaming things or for some other reason.
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Seems like that's been available since iOS 7, as mentioned in the following reply:
Hedwigg said:
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong... but under the "Do Not Disturb" section of the Settings App, if you scroll down to the bottom, there's a section entitled "SILENCE"... I believe if you have "Always" checked, it will do precisely what you're hoping. Even if you're in an app (say, Netflix, for example), notifications will be silenced (i.e., not shown) while you're watching a video while "Do Not Disturb" is enabled...
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dmccloud said:
When the EU made their ruling about Microsoft having to sell versions of Windows without IE, they had to create the Windows Update app/control panel and separate it from the browser. Silverlight was actually their "answer" to Flash.
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I remember it being their answer to flash, I just couldn't remember if that was the underline technology used in that control panel. I can't remember, but I thought that was one of their first uses of the software because it allowed the user to run their software udpdate page in any browser.

Anyway the point still stands! Thank you for the additions! :)
 
The Phazer said:
In the EU the test isn't "monopoly market power", it's "ability to significantly affect pricing".

Which has been successful in cases with market share in the low 40%s. Apple do need to actually be careful.
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I can't speak for the EU, but slightly delayed stock information in the USA is typically free everywhere and has been so for years.
 
aslucher said:
First off, it's a forum post. Perfect grammar is seriously what we freak out on? Lol I'm at work didn't think it was a big deal. It was a total rant and I didn't think it was too hard to understand. I also was caught in the moment, and I didn't preview as I should have! It does seem like you're pretty much agreeing with some of the points I mentioned, and I totally respect your input!

Second, Droid. Really. They are the both acceptable to be used. Verizon, at least, has spent enough money on the license to agree with that. I would have figured everyone would have at least understood....

Third, my point was not that vendors can't get android. The point was in order to get the newest builds of android, is what's required (well how it used to be). You can use the older builds sure. Not denying that, as you've pointed out others have followed with different versions of the software. If these terms have changed then that's news to me and I will retract my statement. But when I was originally developing for the mobile platforms, that is how they had it set up. I have since switched to iOS entirely so I don't have a need to stay current on those deal terms. Again if I'm wrong please tell me.

At first it may seem off topic, but he was speaking about are preinstalled apps. To my brain I saw the connection.

Thank you for the reply, Id rather be corrected rather than live in ignorance

Edit: looking in to the new terms I was wrong about the requirement for the newest builds. This has changed. It's an all or nothing thing affair now. Use google apps, work within their guildelines, get approval and you're good. Don't use them and you must build your own services and store. To me it's still the same point. You're still stuck with the bloat ware no matter where you go....
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It's all good. I fly off the handle more than I care to admit. :eek: You're right, we agree on just about everything. Just about. Everything except that Droid thing. That wasn't a grammatical correction, per se.
*Pedant Alert* Droid and Android are not interchangeable terms. Android is an OS. Droid is a brand name licensed by Verizon (as you stated) for certain models of phones. It only applies to Verizon and the phones they sell under the Droid brand; not Android in general. *Alert Off* All that being said, you can call it Android, Droid, or Wall-E, it's all good.

Again you're right, no matter the mobile OS, someone somewhere is going to consider a stock app as bloat. I use Android, iOS, OSX, and Windows. All have their strengths and weaknesses. Running from one because of some perceived slight is typically an exercise in futility, imo.
 
Background App Refresh

For what it's worth...
I found Beta 1 to be a lot more stable when exiting apps and switching between apps after I switched of Background App Refresh entirely (so in theory not even Apple apps like Mail could background refresh).

I have currently left it off for Beta 2 so I don't know if the situation has improved but keep the above option in mind if you see a lot of crashes of when you are in 'Home & Menu'.
 
Voice Control

Holding down the home button to summon Siri brings up 'Voice Control' by default. :confused:
 
Safari: According to the release notes, Safari will now block ads from automatically redirecting to the App Store without user interaction.
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Everyone's focussing on the negative but this is worth the update alone imo.
 
I'm having issues its installed on my device but keeps on re spring instead of installing it, do I need to do a full update on iTunes if OTA is stuffing up?
 
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jasonklee said:
Unbelievable. This is the final straw. I'm switching to Android. I can't understand why Apple feels it needs to force such a stupid app on to everyone. Podcasts is such an integral experience to iOS that it needs to be a stock app? Really? Who listens to podcasts? Nobody cares. Just like Health, Newsstand, Stocks, Compass, Phone, iMessage, Maps, Passbook, Reminders, FaceTime, Safari, iBooks. No. One. Cares, Cupertino. Just amazes me why they can't put in actual useful features.
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I love how (a) a lot of the apps this guy is complaining about are related to core features of the operating system (how dare Apple include phone calls, text messaging and web browser functionality in a smartphone!) and (b) his solution is to switch to Android, which comes preloaded with more junky, spammy cross-promotional and marketing apps than any other platform. I hope you enjoy your Podcast-free, Amazing Spider-Man 2-clogged future.
 
jasonklee said:
Unbelievable. This is the final straw. I'm switching to Android. I can't understand why Apple feels it needs to force such a stupid app on to everyone. Podcasts is such an integral experience to iOS that it needs to be a stock app? Really? Who listens to podcasts? Nobody cares. Just like Health, Newsstand, Stocks, Compass, Phone, iMessage, Maps, Passbook, Reminders, FaceTime, Safari, iBooks. No. One. Cares, Cupertino. Just amazes me why they can't put in actual useful features.
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Smells like a super troll to me.

Oh the irony... switching away from an ecosystem that has very few forced apps to one that has many.

Enjoy life on the other side of the fence... and be prepared to put up with way more of this kind of thing. :roll eyes:

P.S. All of you are seeing some great additions and you have to Biatch about the podcast app? Seriously.. maybe Android is a better place for more of you. Or better yet, Windows mobile. Geezus...
 
Is it too early to ask how's iOS 8 running on older hardware like the iPad 2 and iPad 3? :)
 
lol

I like the "battery by usage" just a sum of percentages ..

Why would u need a home screen one for or even Settings..

I thought the battery usage was for "apps" as in developer apps only or Apple apps, not the Home screen with is not even an app... You may want to argue Settings, but still why would this use more than 15% ? its just text and few icons..

Need more work...

Apart from that looks something straight out of a 1980's movie ... hehe
 
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