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I do wonder, has quality really got worse - or is there now just A LOT more Apple devices and a LOT more internet coverage of every issue than ever in the history of Apple.
my opinion is quality really got worse, lowering the bar a little bit every time. Luckily the enormous internet coverage helps the sparse few unlucky guys having issues. They feel less abandoned in their arguments vs. the "nonsense , mine works perfect" un-official Apple's brigade.
 
I enjoy these kinds of threads. It's a chance to choose between two of my favourite lines.

This wouldn't happened if SJ was here.
If SJ were here heads would roll.
 
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Negative...my 9.7" Pro 256gb SG bricked. Chatted with Apple Support for 2 hours and now have an appointment tomorrow to get it swapped

My 32Gb bricked - Apple support just went on about my cables and firewalls - no solution & asked me to ring back tomorrow...
 
Amazing how places like this just focus on the negative narrative, because it brings in the page clicks, really sad how far this place, and other's like it have fallen...

Anyone can post here and without any journalist validation the door is wide open to draw conclusions as long as it's accompanied with appropriately vague verbs like suggests." This author's style drives me crazy.
 
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It's a good point to be fair, I see very few Apple fans left anymore - just a lot of hate, moaning and negativity. I wonder if its iPhone owners who hate Macs and Android users who are just here waiting to mock... not sure.

For certain I see "Apple Fanboy" used as a pejorative on here a lot more than I see actually biased fanboyism.


If you want go to true Apple Fan site, where there is all a** kissing and no negative comments, please go to Apple Insider.

P.S. Updated my iPhone 4S,5,5C,5S,6S,SE, iPod Touch 6, iPad mini 2 and iPad mini 4 and iPad 4. No problem. Though I don't have iPad Pro
 
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I do wonder, has quality really got worse - or is there now just A LOT more Apple devices and a LOT more internet coverage of every issue than ever in the history of Apple.
It's probably both. Things get reported everywhere real quick now that information is at our fingertips.
 
You don't know how software development works, and that's fine, but please stop being an armchair manager because it makes you look silly.

It's entirely likely something broke between the final beta and public release.

Edit: I'll also note my 9.7" iPad Pro is doing fine following an OTA update from 9.3.1.

I have been in software development for 25 years and run million dollar projects - if it is this broad then it was post beta 4 code slip streamed in and was released untested, That is not best practices.

Oh, and I was affected by this.
[doublepost=1463437196][/doublepost]On my iPad Pro 9.7 Just downloaded and installed it Over the Air (OTA) and when it restarted it required that I connect to iTunes; something I may not have done for 2 years...Ugh...

Then iTunes said it was downloading a software update...and now it has an error 9006 "problem downloading the software". Then some updates on OSX, then reboots, then try again, then delete IPSW file and try again.
No Mercy.

Genius appointment tomorrow at noon. Thanks Apple, you are starting to look like Microsoft.
 
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I agree they should have spotted this but it's a bug in the latest firmware and wasn't present in the beta's. They've obviously made some sort of change from beta 4 to public release.
And that's why a lot of software has release candidates versions before final release.
 
You don't know how software development works, and that's fine, but please stop being an armchair manager because it makes you look silly.

It's entirely likely something broke between the final beta and public release.

Edit: I'll also note my 9.7" iPad Pro is doing fine following an OTA update from 9.3.1.

Well if you're going to use vague, uncertain terms like those, then it's also entirely likely that nothing "broke" between the final beta and public release and that it's a flaw that wasn't adequately screened or tested. Anything can be entirely likely with the right attitude. ;)
 
For folks like us on MR who are technically savvy and know that software can break things, it's fine to say it's always better to wait. But what about non-tech people? News outlets always have scary stories about how you should always keep your computers and devices up to date.

Secondly, if Apple is expecting people to replace their old laptops with iPads, they need to ensure that a device can be recovered without the need for a computer.
 
Try downgrading back to 9.3.1 by downloading the IPSW here https://ipsw.me/ 9.3.1 is still being signed. Does iTunes even give you a message about detecting a device in Recovery Mode (and give you a restore button shift click on windows or alt/command click on Mac, cant remember what it is for Mac) or does it just throw Error 56 and not allow you to do anything?

No go...Also Apple is saying that they can't replace my iPad because they don't have any in stock. I have a lot of work to do on it today and this is not good. :-(
 
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Yeah, and in the 60s you hardly ever heard about spousal abuse. Domestic violence is just out of control now.

Or maybe reporting has jumped and the rate of assaults was always what it is today.

The number of people who have Apple devices today versus 2013 is huge (you must say that with Donald Trump's voice), and the access that people have to the internet and public forums is also dramatically higher.

Interpretation. SA today is defined differently than in the 60's.

It's not coverage. We have added more internationally but from 2011/2012 to now? Not really.
 
Well, ignoring your condescending tone and the assumption behind it that I know nothing about software development, my question is did nobody bother to test the final release build? Why does Apple get a pass just because the bug slipped in between Beta 4 and the public release?

This confirms his/her assumption for me.

When objects are promoted to QA the changes are tested against the requirements and regression tested. If a defected is found the object(s) are rolled back to development. After the bugs are corrected it's promoted back to QA for testing and regression testing again. So even though I'm not an Apple developer I can confidently answer your question: yes, the final build was tested. Christ.

And no, Apple doesn't get a pass when things don't go perfectly.
 
Very disappointing to hear about brickings. Apple strikes again!

This can't be said enough.

Wait. Until. The. Pollyannas. Update. First.
 
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