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Force touch requires both hardware and software support, as does the haptic feedback. Look at the new Mac notebooks, force touch doesn't really do much because OS X (and individual applications) only offer a handful of functions that can be accessed via force touch.

Until June ;)
 
Sounds like they got it right for the Finnish keyboard. That's what I mean, I'd like that for the Hungarian keyboard (which has about 10 extra letters beyond the 26 English ones) to have separate keys without having to go into the menu. Obviously this probably wouldn't fit onto the iPhone 4 or 5 screen, but the iPhone 6 and iPad have plenty of space for that. The problem is not just the accents, it's that if you type without them, auto-correct fails to work and you're basically writing something that's already missing accents, it's got typos, and auto-correct gives you a helping hand to completely change the words you're saying into something totally different.

Oh, I see your point now. It's strange indeed if they still haven't figured out how to fit 10 extra characters to an iPhone 6 keyboard when three extra ones fit in just fine back in the 3,5" display days already.


I mean not from the pop-up menu, but as actual individual keys just like A, B, C, etc... Try typing texts all day and having to access the pop up menu three times per word.

Yeah like I'm going to do that every time I type an accented letter. Imagine if to type any vowel in English, you'd have to press and hold then select a letter from a pop up menu, it would be so inconvenient you would not do it. It slows you down about 300%. It's great for typing the odd foreign word, but not for typing in that language in general. So then you end up typing without the accents, and you can still figure out what the person what trying to type, however, auto-correct becomes useless because for iOS's auto-correct, "A" and "Á" are just as different as "A" and "Z", so you either have to disable auto-correct (which makes it difficult to type accurately) or you have to tap-hold-select-let-go every other letter, or you have to put up with auto correct correcting words like "dog" into things like "Mississippi" for no reason (and I'm not exaggerating that much).

Accents can indeed make a world of difference. I wouldn't type anything in Finnish on my iPhone if I had to dig every ä and ö from the accents menu. It's OK if you need that menu once or twice per whatever piece you're writing, but when talking about multiple times a sentence that additional slowdown and annoyance gets irritating really fast.
 
Every company has apps that they want you to have. It's a way they make money. If everything is by choice, then, many people won't even know they exist. By having it with the OS, everyone see them, and will likely try them.

I don't see a big deal in putting apps you don't use in a folder. I don't know why some people get all torn up about it.

If people want to get upset, get upset about the way Samsung duplicates each Google app with worse ones, and doesn't allow you to remove these. At least here, it's Apple's own apps. And there really aren't that many of them.

People get torn up about it because it's so obviously flawed. If there a threads about finding ways to hide newsstand or "omg they added more apps you can't delete" it's a problem that needs to be addressed. I understand they need to add things to make money, but they can also add ways to remove them, guarantee they wouldn't lose a dime over that feature.
 
Except memory compression is already enabled on OSX and IOS... That's why iOS manages to work with 1 GB of RAM where Android would need 2 or 3...

Memory compression is definitely in OSX (they touted it at the keynote), but I haven't found anyone verifying it's in iOS (though I do think it's there). Source?
 
I hate Force Touch. Long touches too, for that matter, but Force is worse since it requires a deliberate harder push.

Both are hidden UI inputs that many people never find out about.

For older people this is a learning curve, but there are new generations coming that demand more from their devices. Of course we could wait for Samsung to come up with a clunky way of doing the same (blinking your eyes three times whilst jumping on one leg) , but why make it difficult?
 
Oh, I see your point now. It's strange indeed if they still haven't figured out how to fit 10 extra characters to an iPhone 6 keyboard when three extra ones fit in just fine back in the 3,5" display days already.

And eastern Europe languages are a worst case. For a languages like French, just having the 4 most common accents and letters (ç,é,è,à) would already speed things up a lot, even if this means digging up for the lesser used accents. There is certainly enough room to add 4 keys on a 6+ !
It's especially annoying with ç, because it reads like 'k' instead of 'ss', it really slows down reading...
 
When the iProbe is released, Siri will be able read your mind and there will be no need for typing or speaking. :D

iProbe, a new "spaceship campus," and an alien shaped emoji that really serves no purpose...it all makes sense now...
 
So just switch your device to the language you're typing in. Like magic, your local keyboard appears. RTFM

No, it doesn't, unfortunately. That's what I'm talking about. The Hungarian keyboard in iOS looks exactly like the English one, except Z and Y are swapped. There should be 9 or so extra keys, but they're all hidden behind pop up menus, which is slow as hell to type. Same case with the French one, I think.
 
Discussing Force Touch in iOS without letting the cat out of the bag for new iPhones or iPads seems like a challenge.
 
Wish to get support for non-english keyboards, as this is still unheard of for some idiotic reason. Want to type ö, ű, é, or other accented letters, or ç in French, etc? Well, it's not possible, sorry, no one cares about non-english speakers. How about 3rd party keyboards? They don't care either.
I don't know if 3rd party keyboards are forced to stick to the same number of keys as the official keyboard(s).

The new word prediction line does help with non-ASCII characters as often guesses the right word. But if you rely on it, you sometimes have to go back to correct a letter.

Yes, extra keys won't fit on the iPhone 4 or 5. But the new extra huge iPhones can fit extra keys without issues, not to mention all sizes of the iPad.
The 6 Plus has some extra keys (arrow keys and a few more) in landscape mode. Why the iPad doesn't have them, I don't know. Maybe they want to keep the illusion that one can type with ten fingers on the (full-size) iPad keyboard.

The option for an extra row on top (ie, numbers) and two more keys per row to allow for numbers and non-ASCII characters without the shift key would be useful. Though, that wouldn't solve everything as in the standard French keyboard the forth row on top is used for four of the French non-ASCII characters (plus punctuation) and thus the numbers still need a shift key and some even need the alt key (ë; œ).
 
Everything is a 'learning curve' but is that really the issue ? probably not..

It you are touching a screen in iOS anyway, wouldn't there actually be *more" things accidentally popping up just by the fact you may have pressed hard because it did not register...

For example in an app. So, is that a feature, or annoyance ? It would be good, proving u KNOW u do not need to press hard for anything, but that's not always the case.
 
Discussing Force Touch in iOS without letting the cat out of the bag for new iPhones or iPads seems like a challenge.

I doubt they're going to discuss it at WWDC. They're likely to say "with more great features coming in the fall with the new iPhone" and leave it at that.
 
Yup, it would be awesome if the iOS 9 update automatically gave any device 2gb of RAM.
Too bad that's impossible & your comment nonsensical.

I believe he was talking about iOS 9 taking advantage of the rumored 2GB that the 6s will get so your reply is somewhat nonsensical as well.
 
People get torn up about it because it's so obviously flawed. If there a threads about finding ways to hide newsstand or "omg they added more apps you can't delete" it's a problem that needs to be addressed. I understand they need to add things to make money, but they can also add ways to remove them, guarantee they wouldn't lose a dime over that feature.
Hiding stuff is so easy, it shouldn't even be worse discussing. How hard is it to make a folder on the last page and drag all unwanted apps into it? You do this once and you're done, maybe once or twice per year you might have to drag another one or two app in there.

Newsstand is annoying because it adds another tap (or home button press) every fricking time you use an app that's inside the Newsstand folder.
 
It you are touching a screen in iOS anyway, wouldn't there actually be *more" things accidentally popping up just by the fact you may have pressed hard because it did not register...

For example in an app. So, is that a feature, or annoyance ? It would be good, proving u KNOW u do not need to press hard for anything, but that's not always the case.

It is as annoying as the difference between a standard tap and a tap-and-hold (aka 'long tap'). Most people don't have a problem with that, others accidentally do the 'long tap' frequently.
 
Memory compression is definitely in OSX (they touted it at the keynote), but I haven't found anyone verifying it's in iOS (though I do think it's there). Source?

Ah, I couldn't find any source, except some screenshots and developers discussion on Anandtech. I would have sworn iOS has memory compression...
On the other hand, iOS is more memory efficient than Android anyway, the "Google JVM" and Garbage Collection on the later have very memory hungry.
 
Hiding stuff is so easy, it shouldn't even be worse discussing. How hard is it to make a folder on the last page and drag all unwanted apps into it? You do this once and you're done, maybe once or twice per year you might have to drag another one or two app in there.

Newsstand is annoying because it adds another tap (or home button press) every fricking time you use an app that's inside the Newsstand folder.

That is exactly the point.

Apple doesn't fill in everything, or rather the most common way of not bothering putting switches to not shows say News stand, or not seeing these icons on screen, yet it's up to the user to make a folder and stick everything u want in there u want to "hide", accomplishing the same effect..

No it's not, because now u have a folder on the screen. The Apple-to-user relationship needs a tune up. The word 'hiding' actually means 'hiding' not giving u a workaround for something that is still on screen (regardless its on a page you can scroll to), its viable..

I would have felt comfortable if Apple did the same thing they do with Apple TV,, show/hide menus.,. on iPhone/iPasd, "Show/Hide apps.."

This would of been great, but Apple doesn't do that
 
You're kidding me right? You just have to hold down the letter key to see the accented versions such as é, ö, and ú. Im doing this on ios right now.
Yes, but it takes three or four times as long to type an accented letter compared to a standard letter.
 
Yes, but it takes three or four times as long to type an accented letter compared to a standard letter.

How about force touching a letter, which opens a radial menu while your finger is down while you wheel around to the accent you want, which selects when you lift your finger and the keyboard goes back to it's normal state?

Simple, one clicking action, fast.

Pay up :apple:
 
That is exactly the point.

Apple doesn't fill in everything, or rather the most common way of not bothering putting switches to not shows say News stand, or not seeing these icons on screen, yet it's up to the user to make a folder and stick everything u want in there u want to "hide", accomplishing the same effect..

No it's not, because now u have a folder on the screen. The Apple-to-user relationship needs a tune up. The word 'hiding' actually means 'hiding' not giving u a workaround for something that is still on screen (regardless its on a page you can scroll to), its viable..

I would have felt comfortable if Apple did the same thing they do with Apple TV,, show/hide menus.,. on iPhone/iPasd, "Show/Hide apps.."

I have about 500 apps on my phone, Apple adding a few more changes practically nothing for me.
 
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