An old Apple Bug ID 5698594 (Open), currently admits that iOS Mail does NOT permanently store data for downloaded messages. This means that all POP mail messages are lost if you have to restore for any reason (device upgrade, replacement, etc). This is apparently quite an old bug, and upgrades (using a restore) to iOS 8 and iOS 9 have proved that.
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iOS 9 Users Having Issues With POP Email Accounts and Attachments
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Tried all that. I am seeing this on both the 6+ and Mini 3 - both have been reset as new.
The crazy part is that it is not consistent. I can have 20 emails and 12 will have no body data and 8 will.
I did file a report with Apple and my local Genius did the same. Said they (Genius) have been seeing this intermittently on legacy devices. They both worked fine under 8.4.1
Thx for the try.
The first day of heavy use I was pleased with iOS 9.
Now many days later on 9.0.2 I'm becoming very disappointed with Apple's mediocrity. Bugginess, and a rather poor user experience is not what I pay them handsomely for. I have no problem paying the tariff, but when Apple delivers the kind of experience they've been doing in recent times it's disappointing.
I'd much rather be enthusiastic and tell others how Apple is the one to buy. These days it's risky business to suggest people buy Apple. Perhaps at some point Apple will wakeup and deliver what they're more than capable of.
Now many days later on 9.0.2 I'm becoming very disappointed with Apple's mediocrity. Bugginess, and a rather poor user experience is not what I pay them handsomely for. I have no problem paying the tariff, but when Apple delivers the kind of experience they've been doing in recent times it's disappointing.
I'd much rather be enthusiastic and tell others how Apple is the one to buy. These days it's risky business to suggest people buy Apple. Perhaps at some point Apple will wakeup and deliver what they're more than capable of.
"It just works" is slowly eroding from the Apple vocabulary.
I have the impression that the people that don't get POP3, or its importance -- that to them email is just an extension of their other social me
What I don't understand is why Apple missed the opportunity to build on the jewel that iOS 8 was finally becoming. All they had to do was focus on elimination of bugs, bugs, bugs, re-version number 8.5 to iOS 9.0, and everyone would be singing iOS 9s praises to heaven. Instead it seems like all they did was move everything around just for no reason at all, mess with everyone's muscle memory, and introduce several thousand more bugs in the process.
Is this going to happen again? Is iOS 9.4 ten months from now finally going to be rock solid again, and then a month later they'll blow it all the kingdom come again with iOS X?
POP made sense when people checked their email from one desktop computer. Its design is completely inadequate for email from multiple mobile devices. Downloading content to whichever computer/device you happen to be logged in on at that moment is a problem long since solved by IMAP.
FWIW, you can still store or archive email from an IMAP server in folders to your Mac (or PC) without ever using POP.
And, yes, it was complete BS on Microsoft's part to continue to only support EAS (Exchange Active Sync) or POP on Hotmail/Live/Outlook.com, long after IMAP became the defacto standard. Way to be hostile to their user base...
What planet are you from? Microsoft's Hotmail webmail service, later renamed "Live", then renamed Outlook.com (same service, different names and URLs) only supported webmail, the (proprietary) Exchange Active Sync protocol, or POP. Literally, for years. They only adapted to IMAP toward the end of 2013. Until then, if you wanted to use a desktop or mobile email application with Hotmail/Live/Outlook.com, you had to use POP.
You're confusing yourself with someone who has experience with Microsoft's Hotmail webmail service.
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Hey buddy, ya ever heard of local folders? Geezus.
Can we add you to the list of trolls?
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What have your post to do with the thread ?
Take your iPhone to the Apple Store if you believe it's not working as advertised, and let them check your battery.
But, but, MS want to collect your e-mails and capitalize your content.
While I do agree that pop accouts are not the latest and greatest, it is still a standard being used by many.I know, right! What an Apple flop! POP email accounts not working?! Also they've dropped PowerPC support! And I can't even use a floppy disk in my MacBook Pro! It's maddening, I tell ya!
The odd part of your statement is that you are comparing a bug to the concious decision to drop legacy support...
So according to that logic, apple dropped those standards because they did not manage to make it work or, if that is not the case, maybe they implemented that bug to end outdated pop?
Come on, let's be honest...it is a bug that was overlooked probably because those using betasoftware are hardly the people who still use pop mail...no need to make cheap excuses...
I gave up on IMAP a long time ago. There are too many inconsistencies due to botched implementations on the server and within IMAP clients.
Long Live POP
Long Live POP
People still use POP mail services?
POP really has no place in today's multi-device world. It is archaic and only causes confusion ("Which device did I receive that message on again?"). People using POP need a good pop across the noggin.
I'm the exact opposite. I've only use IMAP of the past 15 years, sometimes with up to a dozen email accounts configured in Apple Mail from several different email providers. It's been great. I could not live without IMAP.
Train yourself to Archive instead of Trash.
But even then, if you map your IMAP folders correctly (including Trash), then you'd be able to find your message in the Trash folder on any of your devices.
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I've been having this problem. I hope it gets fixed soon.
My domain and webhosting includes POP email, and it works. They charge you for using IMAP and I don't really see the benefits over POP. At least for me.
What I don't like about my iCloud email is that if I remove an email from one client it removes it from all my email clients. That doesn't mesh with how I want to use email (checking on my phone, replying on a computer later).
My domain and webhosting includes POP email, and it works. They charge you for using IMAP and I don't really see the benefits over POP. At least for me.
What I don't like about my iCloud email is that if I remove an email from one client it removes it from all my email clients. That doesn't mesh with how I want to use email (checking on my phone, replying on a computer later).
It's because most ISPs email systems still use POP only servers! I get the feeling they don't upgrade their email servers until they breaks down!
Thats been gone ever since Steve died. Pretty much everything they've released since has been riddled with bugs or performance issues.
Good thing those of us who need a working email client can downgrade back to the workin.... Oh wait ha-ha, whoops.
I actually brought back my MDD G4 from the dead the other week as a result of getting my hands on an old Korg OASYS PCI card. Cool music device. Put a 64gig ssd in it, it runs incredibly fast. No trim support of course, but this thing gets so little use besides the PCI card and its not like 64gig drives cost much anymore. Internet is really useless though, the only browser that will even come close to rendering pages properly is iCab and it is woefully out of date itself even. I just use a thumb drive to move files back and forth as file sharing with modern versions of osx is very hit and miss on it. But overall, its still nice to see her up and running again.
Not being anti-Apple or anything, but I've already moved away from much Apple software.
I moved away from Mail when the new Outlook was released for Mac, though I had already been planning to move away from it. My reason was the way that Mail handles attachments. I got sick of seeing little icons or the full document in the body of my email. To some people this is probably not an issue, but to me, after being annoyed by it for probably 10 years, I finally decided Apple wasn't going to do anything about it.
I recently built a PC for gaming and installed Chrome because Edge kept crashing on Windows 10. I realized that Chrome could act like Safari in terms of syncing my open windows across my Mac/PC/iOS devices. Plus, Safari kept beachballing (on a 2015 MBA that is almost exclusively used for word processing). Admittedly, I haven't done anything with Safari since upgrading to El Capitan, but Chrome works so well at the moment that I don't even want to contemplate moving back.
I've got Omnifocus for task management, so apps like Notes have become irrelevant to me. Calendar is one of the few Apple apps I still use, mostly because the better solutions are expensive and I only need a simple Calendar (since I have Omnifocus).
I genuinely like iTunes still, though, I even installed it on my PC.
I am slowly transitioning away from Apple hardware as well... My iPhone 6 Plus has so much UI lag since moving to iOS9. Sure, it will get better with the next few updates, but it is a one year old, $1000 phone.
I liked Apple because my hardware and software was all in one ecosystem, but having tried Windows 10 for a few months now, and seeing their Continuum, I may just make the switch to Windows completely. I never thought I'd say that when I ditched PCs 10 years ago....
But, I no longer really look forward to the OS updates from Apple. They don't bring very many features that I want and more often than not, they break the simple things I do use...
I moved away from Mail when the new Outlook was released for Mac, though I had already been planning to move away from it. My reason was the way that Mail handles attachments. I got sick of seeing little icons or the full document in the body of my email. To some people this is probably not an issue, but to me, after being annoyed by it for probably 10 years, I finally decided Apple wasn't going to do anything about it.
I recently built a PC for gaming and installed Chrome because Edge kept crashing on Windows 10. I realized that Chrome could act like Safari in terms of syncing my open windows across my Mac/PC/iOS devices. Plus, Safari kept beachballing (on a 2015 MBA that is almost exclusively used for word processing). Admittedly, I haven't done anything with Safari since upgrading to El Capitan, but Chrome works so well at the moment that I don't even want to contemplate moving back.
I've got Omnifocus for task management, so apps like Notes have become irrelevant to me. Calendar is one of the few Apple apps I still use, mostly because the better solutions are expensive and I only need a simple Calendar (since I have Omnifocus).
I genuinely like iTunes still, though, I even installed it on my PC.
I am slowly transitioning away from Apple hardware as well... My iPhone 6 Plus has so much UI lag since moving to iOS9. Sure, it will get better with the next few updates, but it is a one year old, $1000 phone.
I liked Apple because my hardware and software was all in one ecosystem, but having tried Windows 10 for a few months now, and seeing their Continuum, I may just make the switch to Windows completely. I never thought I'd say that when I ditched PCs 10 years ago....
But, I no longer really look forward to the OS updates from Apple. They don't bring very many features that I want and more often than not, they break the simple things I do use...
Mavericks is the last good version of osx IMO. everything since has been gimmicks, fonts and emojis. I would give just about anything to be able to downgrade my phone devices back to pre-7. That was really the point for me where it became obvious apple was a style over substance operation now. It sucks but oh well, my mavericks machines will go for a long time and hopefully by the time those need to be replaced things will be better. Already went Android for phone about eight months ago and haven't looked back. Nice not to curse at my phone multiple times a day. Oh and the email client works great.