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I know, right! What an Apple flop! POP email accounts not working?! Also they've dropped PowerPC support! And I can't even use a floppy disk in my MacBook Pro! It's maddening, I tell ya! :mad:
Ahhh the sweet smell of naivety. It's always funny till apple breaks your stuff and everyone laughs at you telling you to just deal with it. It will happen to you too, don't worry.
 
Ahhh the sweet smell of naivety. It's always funny till apple breaks your stuff and everyone laughs at you telling you to just deal with it. It will happen to you too, don't worry.

Eh, I dunno that this POP3 case is quite an analog but even when I've been bitten by it, I'm generally happy Apple sometimes aggressively gets rid of the old. It pushes things forward. I've never been in a position without a decent workaround. Now...

POP3... man. I don't even know how that makes sense on a mobile device. Additionally, "don't delete messages on the server" is such a hack.

With that said, Apple's Mail app on iOS sucks. I'm not sure any app on iOS is more obviously crippled to make their services look superior. (Mail on OS X is... tolerable, primarily because it doesn't seem gimped and the alternatives are generally terrible.) No IMAP idle (unless something changed recently). (And Android isn't any better about this either. Their stock non-Gmail Mail app is equally crippled and awful.)

Ditch Mail and use something like CloudMagic. If your only account is iCloud, Mail is fine. If your only account is Gmail, get the app. If you have a bunch of different accounts or some other provider (like Fastmail), CloudMagic is absolutely fantastic.
 
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Mavericks is the last good version of osx IMO. everything since has been gimmicks, fonts and emojis.

Yeah, rootless security in El Capitan is nothing but a gimmick. Improved IPv6, who needs that? Gimmick. Metal? Who wants to improve GPU usage and reduce overhead. Seriously. Improved internationalization and localization? Honestly, does any non-English speaking American really use these computers anyway?

I've historically been a fan of the less glitzy OS releases (Snow Leopard, Mountain Lion and now El Capitan) because those releases have been much kinder to me. (Lion was the absolute worst.) The updates to the OS are less obvious but to say it's nothing but fonts, emojis and gimmicks is a sign that you probably view the "flat look" as the only thing significant about Yosemite. This would be extremely superficial.

Already went Android for phone about eight months ago and haven't looked back. Nice not to curse at my phone multiple times a day. Oh and the email client works great.

Clearly you haven't used Android's stock Mail app (and somehow, I doubt you've been using it with POP3). It's as crippled and lacking in features as Apple's. Seriously. I'm not applauding Apple here either. I'm condemning both apps as complete jokes with similar goals. Google wants you using Gmail (their Gmail app is VASTLY superior to the stock Mail app) and Apple wants you using iCloud (their Mail app has support for extras like push mail but only with iCloud).

Android is superior in a lot of ways (I still maintain that their stock keyboard is, without question, the best onscreen keyboard that exists) but pointing out the Mail app is absurd.
 
Might want to check all of your Apple email connected devices. I discovered today that my Mac Mini running El Capatan was setup to pop while my IOS devices setup IMAP for the same email address. Never gave it a thought that some device maybe set to POP and another set to IMAP for same email account. Could create an issue, might be worth a look.
 
Well my Exchange calendar events don't sync between iPad and iPhone at all after the latest update.
 
Thats been gone ever since Steve died. Pretty much everything they've released since has been riddled with bugs or performance issues.

I get where you're going with that, and I've also been very critical of Apple's software quality issues of late. That said, there were plenty of examples of "it just doesn't work" when Steve was around. I remember the MobileMe woes as being particularly painful, specifically iDisk.
 
The 1990's just called...they want their POP3 protocol back!

Why in the world would anyone be using POP still in 2015?
 
The 1990's just called...they want their POP3 protocol back!

Why in the world would anyone be using POP still in 2015?

Did you read any of the treads before posting this comment? It has been answered many times. I would have answered your question, but your comments is sooo bad, I just cab't bering myself to answer it...
 
Easy I get sent lots of pictures or reservation info and I don't need to keep it on my phone. I would like to keep it on my computer mail. When my mother in law was ill I would get multiple emails a day on her condition. I don't need them on my phone but kept them in a saved folder in my mail on my Mac.

Fair point and appreciate the usage however could the same not be achieved by having a folder under inbox that the phone isn't subscribed to? Anyway I guess I don't consider space taken by emails on my phone as I have decent data plan with my carrier and can always turn remote image download etc off.
 
It's because most ISPs email systems still use POP only servers! I get the feeling they don't upgrade their email servers until they breaks down!

Most ISP's I know in New Zealand have killed off offering customers email addresses because most already have one with Hotmail, Yahoo, Gmail or iCloud. Pretty much all the new ISP's these days are not running email servers and the ones that used to are no longer giving them out and keeping the server around for existing customers but long term they're going to push the customers off their own server.
 
POP email should be used if you only have one computer. It is not designed for folks like most of us with multiple devices. You can configure POP email to leave the message on the server, but was not originally designed for that.
 
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Clearly you haven't used Android's stock Mail app (and somehow, I doubt you've been using it with POP3). It's as crippled and lacking in features as Apple's. Seriously. I'm not applauding Apple here either. I'm condemning both apps as complete jokes with similar goals. Google wants you using Gmail (their Gmail app is VASTLY superior to the stock Mail app) and Apple wants you using iCloud (their Mail app has support for extras like push mail but only with iCloud).

Android is superior in a lot of ways (I still maintain that their stock keyboard is, without question, the best onscreen keyboard that exists) but pointing out the Mail app is absurd.
Your quote wasn't addressed to me, however I've been using both the iphone mail app and Android stock Mail App for a while now.
Gmail App is simply terrible : for instance, no support for responsive emails, slow loading times and fails to even load a message if you tried viewing its content while you had no internet connection.
Whereas the Mail app does not have these problems, is quite faster and goes to the point instead of adding useless material transition every buttons slowing the overall use of the app, and manages to guess most server configuration right on the first time

As for stock keyboard... You should try the blackberry 10 one! :D
 
POP made sense when people checked their email from one desktop computer. Its design is completely inadequate for email from multiple mobile devices. Downloading content to whichever computer/device you happen to be logged in on at that moment is a problem long since solved by IMAP.

FWIW, you can still store or archive email from an IMAP server in folders to your Mac (or PC) without ever using POP.

And, yes, it was complete BS on Microsoft's part to continue to only support EAS (Exchange Active Sync) or POP on Hotmail/Live/Outlook.com, long after IMAP became the defacto standard. Way to be hostile to their user base...



What planet are you from? Microsoft's Hotmail webmail service, later renamed "Live", then renamed Outlook.com (same service, different names and URLs) only supported webmail, the (proprietary) Exchange Active Sync protocol, or POP. Literally, for years. They only adapted to IMAP toward the end of 2013. Until then, if you wanted to use a desktop or mobile email application with Hotmail/Live/Outlook.com, you had to use POP.

You're confusing yourself with someone who has experience with Microsoft's Hotmail webmail service.
'FWIW, you can still store or archive email from an IMAP server in folders to your Mac (or PC) without ever using POP."
Can you explain how to do this?
 
Okay, first: This definitely needs to get fixed. POP3 is (unfortunately) still used by a lot of people. Even more unfortunately, some people don't have a choice.

But users who are currently still using POP3 really should move to IMAP if they can. POP3 is fundamentally designed to have one server account -> mail on one device. There are some hacks (e.g. "leave messages on server") to get around that, but it's a really outdated model.

I have POP3 and I do not intend to move to IMAP any time soon. I do not like storing any email on the server but. I have one master account on my Mac which I sue to delete the email off the server on demand or weekly, and POP accounts on iDevices that are set to leave the mail on the server. I like this workflow for many reasons. IMAP cannot be set do do that.
 
I have POP3 and I do not intend to move to IMAP any time soon. I do not like storing any email on the server but. I have one master account on my Mac which I sue to delete the email off the server on demand or weekly, and POP accounts on iDevices that are set to leave the mail on the server. I like this workflow for many reasons. IMAP cannot be set do do that.
EXACTLY!
I wish sometimes I didn't know how to read given some of the ridiculous comments here that if you don't use imap like they do, you are obviously a fool. Good Grief! To each their own please.
 
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Most ISP's I know in New Zealand have killed off offering customers email addresses because most already have one with Hotmail, Yahoo, Gmail or iCloud. Pretty much all the new ISP's these days are not running email servers and the ones that used to are no longer giving them out and keeping the server around for existing customers but long term they're going to push the customers off their own server.

Yea but in the US most ISPs still run their own old email servers then they only communicate with their Support through your ISP email! Sometimes I think the good old USA is turning in a third world country, especially in ISPs and cellular companies! :oops:
 
Mavericks is the last good version of osx IMO. everything since has been gimmicks, fonts and emojis.
That may be the opinion that you are entitled to, but it's so outrageous as to be obviously silly and false and is a great way to lose credibility.
 
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Most ISP's I know in New Zealand have killed off offering customers email addresses because most already have one with Hotmail, Yahoo, Gmail or iCloud. Pretty much all the new ISP's these days are not running email servers and the ones that used to are no longer giving them out and keeping the server around for existing customers but long term they're going to push the customers off their own server.

ISPs in the States know the chaos it creates for their customers to suddenly have their email addresses disabled when they switch providers. They use that to lock customers into their service.
 
Why all the hate? POP is a good, reliable protocol. When the client does not support it correctly however...

Did use POP till about three years ago. Apple Mail did a superb job of storing everything correctly. Then switched to IMAP as I also switched my ISP. They provided IMAP by default.

Hated all Push services. There were always issues. Always. I was glad to have POP or IMAP accounts to fallback. And I will continue to do so.
 
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