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I don't think Apple are bothered while they have a small but very profitable market share.

Interesting to see what Apple does if iPhone sales keep falling.
The sales freefall will probably halt next year as the iPhone 8 is gonna be a game changer.
 
I don't know anyone with an iPhone. Everyone I work with has Android phones. I've been using my iPhone 6S+ for the past few months because of the jailbreak app iBlacklist but eventually will go back to either using my Note 5 or S7 Edge as my daily.

I will be skipping the iPhone this year and will buy the S8 when it comes out.
This summer I was at Six Flags. While waiting in line, I actually did a count (because there isn't much else to do). It worked out to be roughly 90% iPhone vs everything else. Yeah, anecdotal and all that, but I doubt there is some "amusement park iPhone bias". Perhaps it is a regional thing? Literally everyone I know, friends, family, people I see grocery shopping, at the mall, etc. it is more of the same; 9/10 iPhones.
 
Putting profits first isnt sustainable in the long run.iPad,iPhone,Mac and iPod were invented by You-know-who.Tim invented more emojis,Apple Watch and Watchbands.

All this emojis,the marketing and "courage" statements remind me of this famous Jobs quote

"When you have a market monopoly, the sales and marketing people end up running the company. The product people get run out of the company. Then the companies forget what it means to make great products. The [researchers] at Xerox PARC used to call the people who ran Xerox ‘toner heads.’ They just had no clue about a computer or what it could do…"


Tim Cook is the new Steve Jobs
Fixed it. The rest was just another opinion on this "vast" internet.
 
This summer I was at Six Flags. While waiting in line, I actually did a count (because there isn't much else to do). It worked out to be roughly 90% iPhone vs everything else. Yeah, anecdotal and all that, but I doubt there is some "amusement park iPhone bias". Perhaps it is a regional thing? Literally everyone I know, friends, family, people I see grocery shopping, at the mall, etc. it is more of the same; 9/10 iPhones.
Are you sure it wasn't Starbucks?
 
I'm not lower middle-class. When you look at the average incomes and level discretionary income outside USA/Europe it's very different than USA/Europe. A $750+ device is not affordable on a global standard.

what is middle class to you?

in the USA it's what every person can afford who has credit. The iphone is not luxury.
 
I've been a long time Android user since 2010 but switched to Apple when the 6S came out. That being said I have no problems switching back so Tim and company better start innovating more than what we've seen since the torch was passed.
 
what is middle class to you?

in the USA it's what every person can afford who has credit. The iphone is not luxury.

I'd say <100k mid/lower middle class. Why do you care so much about how much money I make?

This article talks about global adoption- you can't look at just US when determining if an item is affordable. US incomes do not represent wealth and affordability of the world.
 
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Basically an irrelevant number. As smartphones penetrate India, Africa, and other countries with extremely large no-income populations, the only factor is cost. That's not a "market". Android phones get dumped there in large quantities with low quality. A more relevant number is a country by country marketshare. Though, even that is easily misinterpreted.
what? of course its relevant. BTW android phones have been in all those 'low income' markets that you speak off for a while now. So its not a new user buys android, but one that continues buying android. BTW low income countries are just a market like any other.
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Thw iphone is not luxury - when someone who is lower middle class like yourself can buy one then it's definitely not luxury
I just want to ask how did you determine is social class?
 
Overall, Apple has been disappointing both in terms of OS and somewhat in terms of hardware.

And to all the smug "it's because they are poor" replies above, get your nose out in the real world.

I am out in the "real world" and I most certainly don't see 87.5% of people carrying around Android phones. It's more like 50/50 everywhere that I have been. As for here in the office that I work at (with approximately 500 employees) it runs about 60% iPhones and 40% various Android devices. There were also a handful here that recently returned their Note 7 for an iPhone 7+ after that entire debacle too.
 
This summer I was at Six Flags. While waiting in line, I actually did a count (because there isn't much else to do). It worked out to be roughly 90% iPhone vs everything else. Yeah, anecdotal and all that, but I doubt there is some "amusement park iPhone bias". Perhaps it is a regional thing? Literally everyone I know, friends, family, people I see grocery shopping, at the mall, etc. it is more of the same; 9/10 iPhones.

are you sure you can tell iphone from another in a long line? Phones look the same nowadays
 
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Too bad for the people using Android. I think Apple has the better overall experience.

I'm guessing that, like almost all the people who say silly things like this, that you have never actually used an Android phone. I have used both and Android is the better OS. It's not a big difference if I'm honest, but it is much better thought out. If I had to use an iPhone I wouldn't cry myself to sleep at night, but given a choice I would take Android every time.
 
I am out in the "real world" and I most certainly don't see 87.5% of people carrying around Android phones. It's more like 50/50 everywhere that I have been. As for here in the office that I work at (with approximately 500 employees) it runs about 60% iPhones and 40% various Android devices. There were also a handful here that recently returned their Note 7 for an iPhone 7+ after that entire debacle too.
It's amazing how some think their personal experience represents meaningful statistics that holds true when applied to tens or hundreds of millions of people.

I bet that unless you work in a very small office, not even your 60-40 split is correct. Perhaps it's just your confirmation bias - you probably simply notice iPhones a lot more then other phones. Perhaps people with iPhones keep them more visible/show them off a lot more than other people (since the iPhone is fashion tech, that would make sense).

I'll never forget a lunch in NYC, where at the table next to me came 4 young girls, who all took their iPhones and put them on the table at the same time, and all of them started talking, all at the same time, and continued throughout the lunch. I have no idea how they understood each other. The waiter was also very amused.
 
what? of course its relevant. BTW android phones have been in all those 'low income' markets that you speak off for a while now. So its not a new user buys android, but one that continues buying android. BTW low income countries are just a market like any other.
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I just want to ask how did you determine is social class?

that's the demographic for apple. it's low middle class.
 
That will soon change, as its overall market share becomes more and more irrelevant (first to one digit numbers, then lower one digit numbers, eventually demise).
Disagree. Android's race to the lowest price point isn't the most sustainable pricing strategy
 
Disagree. Android's race to the lowest price point isn't the most sustainable pricing strategy
Seems both sustainable enough (it's been going for a while now), and great for consumers. Personally I am very excited about Huawei and Xiaomi entering the fray (i.e. EU market). I don't particularly like Samsung's dominance in the field.
 
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As it should be just like Windows and Linux based personal computers. Consumers get unlimited choices!
 
Examples?

I switched to android from iOS a few years ago.

Once you're used to having the back and overview button on the bottom it's hard to go without them, especially having to go to the top left corner to go back in iOS means you can't really move around as easily with just one hand in some apps.

Also I really like having the ability to set the widgets on onscreen next to the app icons. eg I have my cal covering 1/2 of my screen vertically and work/calendar related apps next the them. News headlines and social media apps together in another screen etc. The quick dial/msg widget is useful next to them too, so you can have the 'phone' app setup to call a specific person directly without opening the phone call or msg app. eg call work shortcut next the calendar widget. Basically it's the widgets and shortcuts that you can setup on the home/app screens that I like about it.

It's also for the same reason that I've been a osx/macos user for 10+ years, the ability to customize it to how you work with smartfolder/tags/workspaces ..etc
 
Hello, called the iPhone SE. Excellent iPhone, $399 price, Apple environment, to name a few benefits. There are deals with trade-in, interest free payments, that can reduce the price more. No not your $50 phone, definitely a lower price quality phone.

Sure, OK. The SE is also rocking a four year old design and a tiny screen by today's standards. I think something around the price point of the old nexus line. $300 or $350.
 
It is only recently that Samsung phone camera have been marginally better than iPhones, it took Samsung seven models to achieve camera parity, that's hardly an achievement, but an achievement regardless. And I think we have reached a point of diminishing returns, there is only so much that can be done in terms of camera sensor size in phones to improve noise and DR. Manufacturers are exploring the design space for improvements by different means, such as dual cameras.
And why compare just the camera, why not also show the lagging part of Samsung S7, the processor, care to compare that to the processor of 6s and now the 7, in-spite of using lesser cores and clocked slower?

Dude, past glories are irrelevant in the tech business, otherwise IBM would sill be Big Blue....

The camera, particularly its low light performance, is perhaps the biggest differentiator among phones nowadays, IMO. I have both an iPhone 6 Plus and an S7 Edge and in low light (like a restaurant) the Samsung is much better. Many of the iPhone shots are unusable, where the S7 Edge provides passable results. The iPhone 7 is not much better, unfortunately.

And what lag are you talking about? Yes, past Galaxies sucked, I've had most of them, too. But Samsung has come a long way in the past year and the S7 Edge is a really good device and even though it's at the end of its model life, it's still better overall than the iPhone 7.

Just as the Gear 3 appears to have leapfrogged the Apple Watch, offering both LTE and a three day battery life (as opposed to less than a day for the Apple Watch 2).

You seem stuck in 2014....
 
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