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I love the "Others" category! Is this made up of Ubuntu, Firefox, Amazon Fire…what else is even out there?
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iOS is closed and limited to Apple only. If it were open source, it would be destroying Android globally.

I have been around the OS license games and it is amazing how much performance is compromised for some licensee that gets cheap on their hardware build. The Samsung Galaxy line is an example of that.
 
I would argue that point. In fact, it's not understated at all. It's very overt. What's your definition of understated?
Different PR channels and perspectives. In the fanboy universe of MacRumors, it was like seeing the constellations of the sky change. To the mass market, it was most of a "Apple continues its innovation."
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If you want to get Rimmed.
You beat me to that line.
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So Apple is losing market share and shipping less units. Ditto for the iPad.
Put your money where your mouth is and short AAPL.
 
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Not necessarily a bad thing for Apple. As far as I'm aware, they still have the majority of the profitable market share. I can imagine they are also far less attractive to criminals, having as they do a quarter the market share of Android, especially with Android being a fragmented ecosystem being potentially more susceptible to security threats.
 
80% share vs 17% share. I wouldn't call that a race. Unless you'd also call me jogging a long, long way behind Usain Bolt a race.

Units have a wide disparity but make that same comparison in revenue or profit. Even if we're using units as a measure of value of the ecosystem switch that comparison to revenue of the corresponding app stores. Sure, raw units do matter and Android is way ahead on that metric but there certainly are two major big players in the market and Apple leads in some important ways too.

edit: and marketshare shrink doesn't mean that total install base has fallen for Apple either. I didn't do the math but it may be that both have grown but Android grew faster in total units. Outside of first world markets, especially with recent news like $7 and $4 smart phones in India, I'd expect units shipped to favor Android globally. That's not a market that Apple has expressed interest in though.
 
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Not necessarily a bad thing for Apple. As far as I'm aware, they still have the majority of the profitable market share. I can imagine they are also far less attractive to criminals, having as they do a quarter the market share of Android, especially with Android being a fragmented ecosystem being potentially more susceptible to security threats.
The bold is all that needs to be said to end this argument.

It doesn't matter that iOS only has 17% of market share. Android is so fragmented that no one piece of it really has more than 17% anyway. Even within versions of lollipop things get so fractured.
 
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It is odd that Windows and Blackberry have any share of the market in smartphones. Blackberry OS is good enough to pass, but Windows and others ... ?!
 
I know what you're trying to do here... you know, the typical 'laugh at blackberry' comment on an Apple based forum with thinly veiled arrogance behind it; LOL @ Blackberry, they still make phones!? LOL @ People who buy them from some dealer in a back alley!

Yes, there are still old BBOS phones out there. No, Blackberry is not based on BBOS anymore, it's Android. One phone or many phones, it doesn't matter.

AND NO, I'M NOT A BLACKBERRY FANBOY. I've never owned a blackberry. It's just embarrassing to see a bunch of people constantly rip on one corporation while pledging allegiance to another over a TELEPHONE. It's pathetic.


Couldn't have said it better:

R.I.P on one corporation.

In other news : The world is a mean place!
You snooze you lose!

Unless they have a number of profit generating patents they are toast.
To make fun of something inept is humor, sometimes to deal with pain.

In a perfect world Blackberry was a pioneer and should not have totally lost it, when, where , why etc. is unimportant right now.

Apple gets ripped here plenty.

As I said: The world is a mean place!
 
So much ingorance in so many posts... we really do encourage it here at MacRumors dont we.

First: Blackberry listed here is reference to the BlackBerry OS10. BB10, the QNX based platform that they pushed.

That is dead. There's no market share. The Last BB10 device rolled off shelves with the BB10 Base passport in mid 2015.

Blackberry has announced that there will be no new BB10 devices, and BB10 will be legacy now and only receive security

Blackberry, the COMPANY on the other hand, is now an Android manufacturer, and all their new phones will be included in the Android platform numbers. So far, their first, and most recent handset, the BlackBerry Priv, is an Android device. With it's release, Blackberry has reported an increase of Revenues from the previous year. Those 700,000ish numbers of Priv's that were sold (As of dec 2015), are included in Android Numbers, NOT, Blackberry numbers.

Question will be now, Can blackberry build back off this momentum as an Android device manufacturer and start releasing more products? The Priv itself is still sort of a Niche product, being a large, keyboard phone.
 
The supposed Apple user who visits a site with the word "Mac" in it to crusade for other brands and condescend other Apple users...is this a MacRumors phenomenon, or does this happen on other forums as well? Just curious. It's like going on a Red Sox blog and scolding Sox fans for hating the Yankees.

Probably happens everywhere. I don't limit stupidity to any one place.
 
80% share vs 17% share. I wouldn't call that a race. Unless you'd also call me jogging a long, long way behind Usain Bolt a race.

Why are people so fixated on market share. If the race is who can sell the most units, yes android is way ahead. If the race is who can make the most profit the Android is left in the dust.

Is McDonalds the best restaurant in the world? I'm sure <insert high quality, classy restaurant here> doesn't feel bad because more people are willing to eat off the dollar menu, when they are making plenty of profit off their delicious food.
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How do you figure iOS profits more than Android?

Uhm beccasse it's a well established fact the the VAST majority of profit goes to Apple. The reason that Android has so much market share is that it is on cheap phones with barely any margin.

edit:http://www.wsj.com/articles/apples-share-of-smartphone-industrys-profits-soars-to-92-1436727458
92% according to WSJ.
 
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Question will be now, Can blackberry build back off this momentum as an Android device manufacturer and start releasing more products? The Priv itself is still sort of a Niche product, being a large, keyboard phone.

A lot of my coworkers rely on the tactile keyboard. Personally, I love tactile as its accurate but hate it as it takes up so much screen real estate OR it adds so much bulk in a slider factor.

Blackberry will do fine if they offer two options; one for mass market, one for niche. The phone's actually got good reviews, it can only get better from here on out with Android.
 
I don't think your assessment holds true ... at least in the US. People here, in general, don't like change. Many of the non techies I know, are already intrenched in the iOS ecosystem and dont/won't change to the Samsung even if the hardware could get up and do your laundry.

Ha ha. Don't worry. Mindless dedication is just as prolific in the UK too. If not worse. And I was stuck in similar to the Galaxy I own now. It's a good phone. It's a good system. But even though I switched to Samsung since 2010 In a very reluctant fashion I did so with eyes open after realising Apple isn't what it was when FaceTime. MagMounts. OSX Tiger. IMessage. Unibody Chassis. And a lot more were the game changers. And that's not to even begin on the amazing and intuitive IOS ... But those days are over. And stylli, daft connectors and wrist weights isn't why I moved to Apple many years ago.

But that doesn't mean I'm blind to going back if things change again. When Apple moved in...Microsoft had the monopoly. They got lazy. Innovations stopped. Apple did the innovating. Became the monopoly. Got lazy. Trouble is can Samsung pull something out the bag next week? Even after my new allegiance I'm not convinced.
 
I don't think your assessment holds true ... at least in the US. People here, in general, don't like change. Many of the non techies I know, are already intrenched in the iOS ecosystem and dont/won't change to the Samsung even if the hardware could get up and do your laundry.

Correct; and it Android can do your laundry today, iOS will be able to do it next year. :)
 
Why are people so fixated on market share. If the race is who can sell the most units, yes android is way ahead. If the race is who can make the most profit the Android is left in the dust.

Is McDonalds the best restaurant in the world? I'm sure <insert high quality, classy restaurant here> doesn't feel bad because more people are willing to eat off the dollar menu, when they are making plenty of profit off their delicious food.
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Uhm beccasse it's a well established fact the the VAST majority of profit goes to Apple. The reason that Android has so much market share is that it is on cheap phones with barely any margin.

edit:http://www.wsj.com/articles/apples-share-of-smartphone-industrys-profits-soars-to-92-1436727458
92% according to WSJ.
"Well established fact?" Show me then. You are in absolute denial if you think iOS profits more than Android.
 
So Apple is losing market share and shipping less units. Ditto for the iPad.
The iPhone one is unique because last year's quarter was inflated due to low supply in the previous quarter.

I don't think the iPhone will be down year for year.
 
Different PR channels and perspectives. In the fanboy universe of MacRumors, it was like seeing the constellations of the sky change. To the mass market, it was most of a "Apple continues its innovation."

We'll have to agree to disagree. With the amount of press Jobs got both while he was alive and post mortem, the movies that have been made. The fact that he's often discussed as one of the greatest innovators of all time - his role, to me, hasn't been understated to the general public.
 
Consumers care about the profit Apple makes?! And anyway, the article isn't about profit, it's about units sold and market share.

Macrumors users care about Apple's profit.
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The iPhone one is unique because last year's quarter was inflated due to low supply in the previous quarter.

I don't think the iPhone will be down year for year.

I found the 6S to be more readily available than the 6 was after launch.
 
"Well established fact?" Show me then. You are in absolute denial if you think iOS profits more than Android.
You're actually incorrect. This is very well documented. Android devices make very little money. Google makes almost no margin and Android hardware vendors make very slim margins. Apple actually makes more money than all Android hardware manufacturers put together.

Quick sources:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/apples-share-of-smartphone-industrys-profits-soars-to-92-1436727458
http://bgr.com/2015/02/26/iphone-vs-android-profits-q4-2014/
http://9to5mac.com/2015/07/13/apple-smartphone-profit-share/


Apple sells 20% of phones and makes 92% of the entire industry's profits. The next highest profitable company is Samsung, who makes 15% of the industry's profits. The rest of the smartphone industry combined is a loss, which is why Apple and Samsung combined are over 100%.
 
You're actually incorrect. This is very well documented. Android devices make very little money. Google makes almost no margin and Android hardware vendors make very slim margins. Apple actually makes more money than all Android hardware manufacturers put together.

Quick sources:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/apples-share-of-smartphone-industrys-profits-soars-to-92-1436727458
http://bgr.com/2015/02/26/iphone-vs-android-profits-q4-2014/
http://9to5mac.com/2015/07/13/apple-smartphone-profit-share/


Apple sells 20% of phones and makes 92% of the entire industry's profits. The next highest profitable company is Samsung, who makes 15% of the industry's profits. The rest of the smartphone industry combined is a loss, which is why Apple and Samsung combined are over 100%.

Snarky me wants to say that it's because Apple has been failing to obtain proper licensing for some of their tech and making a lot of money off of it in the meanwhile. We see some of that is catching up to them. Most of this comment is tongue-in-cheek...
 
An important thing to remember is that market share is not the same as installed base.
 
Haven't you heard? Apple is doomed.
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More profits equals more money to make better products for consumers. So consumers aren't wrong for caring about profits.

I'm sure you feel the same about your power company, banks, cell provider, plumber, etc.
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Lower end phones used to be a lot less capable in relation to the high end than they are today.

Not long ago low end phones weren't even smartphones.

That's a good point.
 
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