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iOS in the Car 'Very Important' to Apple, 'Part of the Ecosystem'
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Yeah but Apple's car would be minimalistic in design. It would lack a roof, use bicycle wheels for a "cleaner look" and no climate control because "nobody would want that" and no turn indicators because "nobody uses them anyway."
And yet, Apple fanatics would buy them up and echo Apple's sentiments - nevermind that it wouldn't be able to exceed .2g in a turn and would be essentially undrivable in really hot or cold weather.
Anyone know if there is going to be an aftermarket solution for people wanting to have embedded iOS in their rides?
While I certainly wouldn't mind this happening, I would be very annoyed if I kept my car for many years and Apple cut me off at the knees 5 years after owning the car saying it's not eligible for support and/or updates. People would have to feel confident that they can keep their cars for as long as they choose without concerns surrounding the computer in the car. I'm sure I sound unreasonable, but my current truck is 4 years old. I plan to keep it for as long as humanly possible.
Yeah but Apple's car would be minimalistic in design. It would lack a roof, use bicycle wheels for a "cleaner look" and no climate control because "nobody would want that" and no turn indicators because "nobody uses them anyway."
And yet, Apple fanatics would buy them up and echo Apple's sentiments - nevermind that it wouldn't be able to exceed .2g in a turn and would be essentially undrivable in really hot or cold weather.
And you'll keep posting incessantly about how bad it is
That's all we need. Apple products in cars will just make the price go way up! Car company's should just have an option to snap a phone in the dash and use it as is. Phones are almost the size of Navs now and with voice turn by turn its really all you need. You would also already know how to use it when in your car and can update software as usual when outside your car.
Problem being that iphones are the only ones with few models and consistent design. Imagine missing out on the car of your dreams because the dash snap only accommodates an s4 and not an s4 active or mini?
Apple is the only company that can pull this off because there are way too many throwaway android phones that it wouldn't be worth the manufacturers time.
Plus... all the versions of Android would make this more difficult too... you bring up a good point on consistency... one of Apple's advantages when working with 3rd parties.
Apple Maps still needs serious work before it should be put in cars. I only asked it for directions twice & twice the directions were horribly incorrect. From where i live in South Wales i asked for directions to Newport South Wales, about an hour east from me. The directions it gave me sent me across England to Newport on the Isle of Wight &directions to Portmerion, Wales about a 3 hour trip according to google. Apple maps wanted me to cross the Irish Sea, drive the length of Ireland, then cross the Irish sea again a journey that would take 6 hours longer. So IMHO apple maps should be withdrawn for its wild inaccuracies or at least have BETA splashed across it & come with a warning.
No mention of lack of rSAP
Seems to me the biggest thing Apple could do to improve car integration is to suport rSAP. The hardware is capable of it already (works on jailbroken phones), and it's the missing link to make iPhones work properly (or at all) in Audi, BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, Seat, Skoda and VW models, probably others.
Seems very strange that they haven't done it.
I used the new, heavily-advertised touchscreen system in a Peugeot 208 recently; it's awful: sluggish, confusing, ugly. Hand-held apple maps works better. iPhone and iPad have raised the bar so high it's not easy for others to keep up!
I followed a Google maps cycling route last weekend; I think they were trying to kill me.
Seems to me the biggest thing Apple could do to improve car integration is to suport rSAP. The hardware is capable of it already (works on jailbroken phones), and it's the missing link to make iPhones work properly (or at all) in Audi, BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, Seat, Skoda and VW models, probably others.
Seems very strange that they haven't done it.
I used the new, heavily-advertised touchscreen system in a Peugeot 208 recently; it's awful: sluggish, confusing, ugly. Hand-held apple maps works better. iPhone and iPad have raised the bar so high it's not easy for others to keep up!
I followed a Google maps cycling route last weekend; I think they were trying to kill me.
As soon as BMW can figure out how to integrate it w/o losing revenue from the embedded GPS and related services. I'm a long time BMW driver and their GPS has always been a sore spot for me as it's 15x the cost of a current model stand-alone and 2 generations behind. But I pay the $2000 because I like the clean look and convenience of an embedded GPS.
However, seeing as BMW is recasting its cars as German Lexuses (Bye buy Ultimate Driving Machine
) perhaps gadgetry will become a priority now.
Imperial gallons are bigger.
What's your point? The UK measure in litres so the volume of the imperial gallon doesn't come into it.
Fuel here is in the region of £1.35/litre, considerably more than the £1/litre that is more or less equal to $6/gallon.
this has the same problem as an integrated apple tv
Car "tech" packages have historically been out of date before they hit the market and hideously overpriced ($700 extra for bluetooth?!?!?). People generally don't buy new cars on the same timescale as technology advances (same problem an apple tv would have: the streaming tech would be obsolete far before the screen would be). Give me a solid platform-agnostic bluetooth connection for audio and let me mount my smartphone to the dash and I'm a happy camper, that way I always have the latest tech and I can keep my car for 10-20 years.
Car "tech" packages have historically been out of date before they hit the market and hideously overpriced ($700 extra for bluetooth?!?!?). People generally don't buy new cars on the same timescale as technology advances (same problem an apple tv would have: the streaming tech would be obsolete far before the screen would be). Give me a solid platform-agnostic bluetooth connection for audio and let me mount my smartphone to the dash and I'm a happy camper, that way I always have the latest tech and I can keep my car for 10-20 years.
Not sure about this.
I suppose if they go the route of Ford and Microsoft's Sync it could be a good thing. I love mine and the fact it worked with my iPhone 4S and now my Galaxy Note 2 is awesome. I am not forced into a particular phone maker and not dependent on a phone. I am not going to upgrade my car anytime soon but My phones every year or two and I don't have to think about it has to be an iPhone or Windows phone.
I suppose if they go the route of Ford and Microsoft's Sync it could be a good thing. I love mine and the fact it worked with my iPhone 4S and now my Galaxy Note 2 is awesome. I am not forced into a particular phone maker and not dependent on a phone. I am not going to upgrade my car anytime soon but My phones every year or two and I don't have to think about it has to be an iPhone or Windows phone.
Nah....
This would probably focus on the iPhone, which you presumably didn't leave sitting in your hot car all day (as you likely would an iPod attached to a cable going to the car stereo).
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the adoption of these new in-car setups spells the end of the iPod product line. I've suspected for a while now that one of the only remaining reasons people still buy single-purpose iPods is to leave hooked up to a car stereo that has iPod support? That's why I still have my Classic. My car supports it, so I just leave it in there all the time (except to take it out once in a blue moon to sync new music to it).
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We've been paying huge markups for the computer technology in cars already. The auto-makers are not very good at this stuff. It costs each of them more in R&D to make their own independent (and usually poor) interfaces and systems than it does to just license a superior Apple solution.
Voice turn-by-turn is usable, but just not as good as having an accompanying screen showing your place on a moving map. The factory stereo in my Chrysler Crossfire was actually one of the early ones with GPS support from the factory, and it only did voice turn-by-turn navigation. I was happy when I replaced it with a navigation system stereo with a real LCD screen.
With a car integrated with an iPhone, the car doesn't really need to do very much of the work. All the real technology is in the phone itself. The car just acts more like a "docking station" for the phone, letting it charge and show a remote display while it plays through the car speakers. A steering wheel button acts as a remote version of double-tapping the "home" button on the phone to wake up Siri.
This would probably focus on the iPhone, which you presumably didn't leave sitting in your hot car all day (as you likely would an iPod attached to a cable going to the car stereo).
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the adoption of these new in-car setups spells the end of the iPod product line. I've suspected for a while now that one of the only remaining reasons people still buy single-purpose iPods is to leave hooked up to a car stereo that has iPod support? That's why I still have my Classic. My car supports it, so I just leave it in there all the time (except to take it out once in a blue moon to sync new music to it).
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We've been paying huge markups for the computer technology in cars already. The auto-makers are not very good at this stuff. It costs each of them more in R&D to make their own independent (and usually poor) interfaces and systems than it does to just license a superior Apple solution.
Voice turn-by-turn is usable, but just not as good as having an accompanying screen showing your place on a moving map. The factory stereo in my Chrysler Crossfire was actually one of the early ones with GPS support from the factory, and it only did voice turn-by-turn navigation. I was happy when I replaced it with a navigation system stereo with a real LCD screen.
With a car integrated with an iPhone, the car doesn't really need to do very much of the work. All the real technology is in the phone itself. The car just acts more like a "docking station" for the phone, letting it charge and show a remote display while it plays through the car speakers. A steering wheel button acts as a remote version of double-tapping the "home" button on the phone to wake up Siri.
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I like the idea of connecting your iPhone but personally I would much rather have my car-puter running iOS natively with maps and whatever else installed in the dash. I personally don't have an iPhone, cuz I'm one of those silly people that rarely make cellpone calls, so I just have a cheapy pay as you go phone that costs me $100 a year for 1000 minutes and I barely use half of them... and I have my iPod touch for apps and games and music.
I'd like to see them just take an iPad mini and use that as your screen, built into the dash... just add a few extra apps for monitoring tire pressure and whatever other doodads that car needs and you're all set.
I'd like to see them just take an iPad mini and use that as your screen, built into the dash... just add a few extra apps for monitoring tire pressure and whatever other doodads that car needs and you're all set.
I should have choice in my car
I just want to be able to bring any phone into a car and have it integrated into the "ecosystem" to playback music, support it's GPS functions, calls, and such, without having to pick and choose a car based on what company is installed into the dash.
I don't want to exclude a whole company of cars because they are tied into Apple, or Google, or Microsoft.
I think this sets a bad precedent, which of course started with Microsoft and Ford, but I don't believe we need a "brand" built into the dash, I would rather car companies focus on creating a universal system of integration which hooks into the phone and/or dash component I can buy as an add-on.
What would be worse if a car requires a SIM card in order to use its features fully. I would rather not have to pay $50/mth just to use the radio in my car, I never bought into the XM or Sirius subscription radio BS so I am not going to pay a subscription to use the GPS or music services offered in a car when my phone already does it.
I mean if car companies and Apple want to sell a model version that is branded as an iCar, by all means do so, but I better have the ability to choose a model that comes with something "generic" that can be used with other phones or brands.
I just want to be able to bring any phone into a car and have it integrated into the "ecosystem" to playback music, support it's GPS functions, calls, and such, without having to pick and choose a car based on what company is installed into the dash.
I don't want to exclude a whole company of cars because they are tied into Apple, or Google, or Microsoft.
I think this sets a bad precedent, which of course started with Microsoft and Ford, but I don't believe we need a "brand" built into the dash, I would rather car companies focus on creating a universal system of integration which hooks into the phone and/or dash component I can buy as an add-on.
What would be worse if a car requires a SIM card in order to use its features fully. I would rather not have to pay $50/mth just to use the radio in my car, I never bought into the XM or Sirius subscription radio BS so I am not going to pay a subscription to use the GPS or music services offered in a car when my phone already does it.
I mean if car companies and Apple want to sell a model version that is branded as an iCar, by all means do so, but I better have the ability to choose a model that comes with something "generic" that can be used with other phones or brands.
It's only Software
I believe there is a significant business opportunity here for developers to revise existing software on say 2010 and newer vehicles to make them iOS compatible. After all most of the head units are software driven and a good programmer could produce an upgrade program that would allow owners to update their current vehicles to take advantage of SIRI and other iOS features.
I believe there is a significant business opportunity here for developers to revise existing software on say 2010 and newer vehicles to make them iOS compatible. After all most of the head units are software driven and a good programmer could produce an upgrade program that would allow owners to update their current vehicles to take advantage of SIRI and other iOS features.
I'm hopeful this is available as a software upgrade to my wife's Chevy Sonic, since they seem to be showing it on the Sonic's MyLink hardware. She really liked the touchscreen option when we were shopping around but in terms of functionality there isn't a lot there. Adding the functionality shown off with iOS 7 in a clean interface would turn it from a novelty into something really useful, though.
I know I'm off topic. When the link took me to ios7 page again, the feeling really grow on me that the flat design is actually ugly. Being flat should something goes unnoticeable. When being flat somewhat stands out, it's just a design disaster. Yeah devastating disaster started with Microsoft, but Microsoft never designed anything beautiful, so I let it go. But now ... I don't know. Jobs would have yelled, Stop! This is rubbish!