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Linux originally got it's start as a port of unix so they are somewhat similar :cool:

Not at all. Linux is completely written from scratch, nothing ported at all (back when SCO claimed that IBM had stolen millions of lines of their code which couldn't be found anywhere they also made such claims about Linux with the intent of suing every Linux user, but that was complete ********). It is however quite similar to Unix in many respects.


In contrast to iOS you are free to download the browser you want from the Android marketplace.

Really? Safari is in the Android marketplace? Since when?
And iOS ships with the browser that I want :D
 
It's not about mobile browsing. It's about the web itself. There more iOS devices on the web than Linux anything. We're still wating for Linux to take over the desktop from Windows and OS X. Linux fanboys are right up there with the Amiga OS crowd. They are convinced Linux is vastly superior, and it may well be for all I know, but it's not an OS for the common user.

Linux is vastly superior to Windows when it comes to security and customization due to it being an open platform. With the Unix underpinnings of OSX and I'm sure iOS, a strong argument could be made over which is better when compared to Linux. Linux would win with customization though because it is so open. I'm a fan of Apple and Linux and can recognize that Linux will not dominate the desktop market. The only concern to me is that Android is Linux. It's like comparing Ubuntu to Android. They are both Linux.
 
I wonder if mobile versions of windows are lumped in with windows in general.

If so, then iOS should be lumped in with OSX.
 
I'll bet the linux users are still using linux. They now own mobile devices and spend more time browsing on those devices instead of their computers. The trend for the two OS appear like that is a possibility. I'd like to see the trends for PCs running Windows or Mac OS.
 
Now why am I a troll just because I do not agree with something you do. I am a huge Apple user but I am also a realist when it comes to certain things. I make my own decisions in life. All I am pointing out is that 1% is 1%. Sure it may be a million people but then everything else is 99 million people. I'm sure if IOS was 5% and Android was 1% people would be laughing at Android for only having 1%. It is about about perspective, something that both Mac users and PC users could learn a bit about.


"troll" is the only response I give to a "fanboy" hurler.

I don't know if you agree with me on any issue. I see "fanboy" and disregard any content in the post.

Otherwise my philosophy is to not feed the trolls.
 
Really? Safari is in the Android marketplace? Since when?
And iOS ships with the browser that I want :D

Oh Lord - you really want to go into that? O.K., just FYI, grab some real old Nokia phone (like the Nokia E65 I used to have). Fire up the internet and go to macrumors mobile site. Post something.

And now be astouned that your Nokia phone identifies itself as WebKit/Safari.

Fun, isn't it?

If Safari is your browser of choice, Android is not for you. But people arguing that Safari is sooooo much better than any other WebKit based browser is - well - simply flamebait. :rolleyes:
 
I have a friend who is a fellow instructor at a college we both teach at. He exclusivly uses Linux and is not computer savy at all. He along with many of his other non tech friends love it. Those who think Linux is just used by IT people are very wrong. Ever hear of Ubuntu? Most IT people I know don't use it but yet Ubuntu is argubly the most popular Linux distribution. So somebody must be using it and those people are usually unhappy Windows users.

After a certain point however certain Linux limitations start to wear people down so they do one of two things.

1. Move back to Windows 7 because it is actually kind of nice and stable and they really miss playing specific popular commercial games.
2. Move to OSX because it offers the care free virus free lifestyle many of them moved to Linux for in the first place.

The concept of Linux was appealing to people at first but regardless of what Linux fanboys tell you there are many limitations. For example what if you really want to learn how to use Photoshop. Sure there is Gimp but it just isn't the same and no design firm is going to hire you with Gimp experience.
 
I wonder if mobile versions of windows are lumped in with windows in general.

If so, then iOS should be lumped in with OSX.

Have a look at the website. Everything is split apart. For example, iPhone (excluding iPad and iPod Touch) is actually ahead of MacOS X 10.4, but still far behind 10.5 and further behind 10.6. If there were any mobile versions of Windows then nobody is using them.
 
I remember how every year from 2004 until 2009 was supposed to be "The year of Linux". The reason Linux never took off is it's a PITA to use, even some of the simpler distributions. I tried it once and I spent hours trying to get it to work with my video card. Even though the community was helpful I got tired of editing text files just to get a stupid GUI to work right. I threw Windows XP on and spent 10 minutes installing the drivers. Now that Windows 7 has such a large native driver database I just install the OS and run automatic updates and spend 0 minutes installing drivers.

*Yawn*

Your experience must be a couple of years old. Download Ubuntu 10.04, burn it on CD and then boot that CD on your Mac and see that magically everything "just works" - faster and more stable than Snow Leopard.

Installing and running Ubuntu Linux on COMPATIBLE hardware has become as painless as installing and running Mac OS X on COMPATIBLE hardware. And amazingly enough, Apple Macintosh hardware is fully compatible with Ubuntu Linux. It's actually easier to get Linux running on a Mac than it is to install Windows on it.
 
That was uncalled for. The man uses both as he develops apps for both. He finds the IOS experience better. Some find Android better. ITS HIS OPINION!!!
Just as a little quip, there are more apps for IOS then for android so by your rational you can enhance the IOS more than you can Android.
Either way, both have positives and negatives.

If you post: The flavour of WebKit on Android is an EPIC FAIL while the flavour of WebKit on iOS is the best since sliced bread, then you call for such a response. No, even worse, you're flamebaiting.

And the number of Apps is a stupid comparison if we are talking about the number of browsers. Or maybe we should discuss about the number of eMail-clients.
 
"troll" is the only response I give to a "fanboy" hurler.

I don't know if you agree with me on any issue. I see "fanboy" and disregard any content in the post.

Otherwise my philosophy is to not feed the trolls.

I use the term fanboy very loosely to cover just about anybody. There are Apple, PC, Blu-ray, Honda and political fanboys. They all end up being the same to me in the end. Maybe it is my distrust of anything corporate but I do not trust anybody who blindly believes in a product, person or place.

I see just as crazy backlash towards Apple on PC forums as well and it makes me sick. Nobody can just buy products and use them anymore. I mean can you imagine if Pepsi and Coke had user forums and a fanbase like this? I am so sick and tired of how every gadget these days has to have such a loud and vocal following like it is a political campaign.

Everything is "my product is superior" or "your product sucks" or "Flash should die" or "Apple users drink Koolaid" I am a Apple user and I cannot stand Koolaid. In fact I tend to stay away from most sugar based drinks.

All I see here are numbers. Yes IOS is growing but it is still at 1% and to me 1% is a small number. I hope it gets larger but right now it isn't. I'm not really sure what that means to me if anything at all. I just find it interesting. I really thought it was much larger then that.
 
Windows: 91.3%

MAC OSX: 5%

iOS: 1.1%

Linux: o.85%

Android: 0.2%


just shows that most people still use a Desktop, laptop or netbook to surf the web. I'm not sure what consumer hardware comes with Linux right now, I remember some netbooks with it, but they all windows now.
 
Oh Lord - you really want to go into that? O.K., just FYI, grab some real old Nokia phone (like the Nokia E65 I used to have). Fire up the internet and go to macrumors mobile site. Post something.

And now be astouned that your Nokia phone identifies itself as WebKit/Safari.

'Mozilla/5.0 (SymbianOS/9.2; U; Series60/3.1 NokiaE71-1/500.21.009; Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 ) AppleWebKit'

That's the UA from an E71 using Nokia's browser, based on Webkit. I'm pretty sure NetApplications would be able to work out the difference between that and Safari.

Speaking of which I noticed Android is below Symbian and way below JavaME which kind of shows the lack or relevance Android has in the mobile market.
 
Android is pretty new yet. It was only the last couple of months when it really started to get popular. I'm not sure how I feel about Android yet but I think it is something Apple and it's users should keep an eye out for. It has a massive amount of potential that we are only just now starting to see.
 
There more iOS devices on the web than Linux anything.

I presume you're not counting web servers, embedded devices, home NAS and things like Tivo or Sky+.


They are convinced Linux is vastly superior, and it may well be for all I know, but it's not an OS for the common user.

Always good to know you're working from a position of ignorance. :D
 
I tried out Ubuntu 10.4 this summer on my seven-year-old PC while waiting for the new iMacs to come out. It was okay -- the only problem was that I couldn't get it to work with my Brother 2170W printer. Hours of aggravation, web surfing, posting to the Ubuntu forums, to no avail. Nothing could get my printer to work with Ubuntu.

Not that any of this mattered, because eventually the new iMacs came out and I bought one. I love it.

That said, it's nice to have a third alternative out there. The more OS's, the better, I say.
 
since when is linux a mobile browsing os

What do you think Android runs on? :rolleyes:

In any case, that's not what the article says. It's talking about OVERALL web browsing, mobile or not. What amuses me is that Apple managed to do in about 3 years what took Linux almost two DECADES to accomplish. I think it just goes to show that Linux is going nowhere for home desktop users even in 2010 and I think it's their own fault for not creating a default set of standards every distribution should have at its core to encourage commercial software expansion, etc. and thus user expansion.

Well technically iOS is based on darwin which is a port of unix.

Linux originally got it's start as a port of unix so they are somewhat similar :cool:

Technically speaking, Linux is NOT Unix. It's very similar to Unix in context/operation/command structure, but contains no Unix code, supposedly. Obviously, a lot of 3rd party code (even developer products) is shared between platforms, but whereas Darwin/OSX is DIRECTLY from BSD Unix, Linux is a from scratch OS that just imitates Unix in structure. Android, however is based on LINUX, not Unix.

Not at all. Linux is completely written from scratch, nothing ported at all (back when SCO claimed that IBM had stolen millions of lines of their code which couldn't be found anywhere they also made such claims about Linux with the intent of suing every Linux user, but that was complete ********). It is however quite similar to Unix in many respects.

Really? Safari is in the Android marketplace? Since when?
And iOS ships with the browser that I want :D

I see you beat me to it on the Linux thing. In any case, I wouldn't be too hard on Android or Linux. Apple's Safari is based on Web-Kit as are many Linux browsers. They are still closer to each other family wise than anything from Microsoft. I think Android is iOS's biggest threat into the future. It has the same advantage Microsoft had in the 90s, more hardware support and more choices for hardware. Google would be smart to make their own Linux distribution as well. That is exactly what Linux needs (a big company that knows what it's doing to STANDARDIZE the thing and popularize it all in one step, which might then get other "compatible" Linux distributions to follow suit). A Linux that standardizes the packaging, library and GUI system COULD be a real threat to Microsoft and Apple both. Linux has only failed as a consumer desktop thus far because the developers are all competing against each other for those key systems instead of working together. Commercial software makers do NOT want to have to worry about whether you're running KDE, Gnome or some other Window Manager, whether you have Alsa or OSS, RPM or Debian (of which packages are not necessarily directly compatible even between various distributions that use the same one...UGH), etc. They NEED one ring to rule them all, so to speak. This is why OSX "just works". Imagine if Apple had competing standards for Darwin, Core Image, Core Audio, Cocoa, etc. It would be just like Linux; no one would support it. The problem is most Linux developers either don't care or actually LIKE all those choices (Information should be free man! Choice for GUI is Paramount Daddy!) or are simply unable to bring everyone together to support one common standard due to no clout (Torvalds is probably the only non-company that could do it; Google has a chance because they're so big). Of course, those same standards can also limit evolution/progress in some areas, but really, after two decades I think evolution has proven inferior to technological stability/standardization. Progress should be internal, not external. They need a standards "federation" to handle that sort of thing for the "core" distribution. Otherwise, they're going to be the "hippie OS" forever, literally.
 
*Yawn*

Your experience must be a couple of years old. Download Ubuntu 10.04, burn it on CD and then boot that CD on your Mac and see that magically everything "just works" - faster and more stable than Snow Leopard.

Installing and running Ubuntu Linux on COMPATIBLE hardware has become as painless as installing and running Mac OS X on COMPATIBLE hardware. And amazingly enough, Apple Macintosh hardware is fully compatible with Ubuntu Linux. It's actually easier to get Linux running on a Mac than it is to install Windows on it.

OK, so Linux is easier to get running now.

Next step: Where's the (quality) software?
 
It is mainstream if you consider it is on every Dish Network box, every TIVO, etc and lets not forget that Android is Linux.

Mainstream, possibly, as a backend unknown-to-the-user-black-box-type installation. Sure. Just like most name brand products use the same parts but slap their sticker on it (Dell monitors are rebranded Samsungs with a price increase).

I'm (and I thought we) talking about Linux as an OS that people KNOWINGLY are aware is providing the experience/functionality. I really can't even count the Droid as it's been only available for 6 months.

-Eric
 
While it may be nice to see a larger "marketshare" of iOS Devices on the Internet one should realy consider the consequences of this. On the pro side there will be a lot more sites being optimized iOS but so will be malicious sites.

If the comparison of OS X and Windows has shown anything it's that malware, viruses and the likes will most likely be targeting the larger players on the field... so I am pretty happy with the way things are now.
 
Android is pretty new yet. It was only the last couple of months when it really started to get popular. I'm not sure how I feel about Android yet but I think it is something Apple and it's users should keep an eye out for. It has a massive amount of potential that we are only just now starting to see.

There's a long way to go yet for Android and their JavaVM and seemingly endlessly different manufacturer UI's grafted on top approach might come back to bite them.
 
Linux is vastly superior to Windows when it comes to security and customization due to it being an open platform. With the Unix underpinnings of OSX and I'm sure iOS, a strong argument could be made over which is better when compared to Linux. Linux would win with customization though because it is so open. I'm a fan of Apple and Linux and can recognize that Linux will not dominate the desktop market. The only concern to me is that Android is Linux. It's like comparing Ubuntu to Android. They are both Linux.

That is precisely why my server OS of choice is still Linux. I run SLES10 and SLES11. I would never consider running a windows web server. That would be a recipe for disaster!
 
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