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But the simplest way to judge it is to look at Apple ever shrinking mobile market share as more people choose other OS systems. Yes Apple had a greater market share during the iOS 6 period, yes Apple has lost more market share since iOS 7. Regardless if the amount of forced users is higher.

It could be the simplest way but not the most accurate way, leading one to arrive at an incorrect conclusion.
 
But the simplest way to judge it is to look at Apple ever shrinking mobile market share as more people choose other OS systems. Yes Apple had a greater market share during the iOS 6 period, yes Apple has lost more market share since iOS 7. Regardless if the amount of forced users is higher.

It could be the simplest way but not the most accurate way, leading one to arrive at an incorrect conclusion.

The main factors in Apple's shrinking mobile market share are screen size and price.
 
The main factors in Apple's shrinking mobile market share are screen size and price.

Price is really not a factor. If it was than the Nexus 5 would have been dominating the market which it is not. You can't expect Apple to compete with Cheap Android handsets. Apple is where it is financially today because they maintained their profit margins.

If you ask non-techie people around you why they chose a Samsung phone over and iPhone and chances are you will hear "I like the bigger screen".

I honestly believe the iPhone 6 with its 4.7" or 5.5" screen will level the playing field.
 
Price is really not a factor. If it was than the Nexus 5 would have been dominating the market which it is not.

The true price of the iPhone is $650 and some perfectly capable Android and Windows phones are $100-200 and continue to fall. Despite this, you are actually right, price is not a huge factor right now. The only reason for this is that carriers subsidize phones, hiding the true cost of the phone for most customers. But carriers have to subsidize more for the more expensive phones such as the iPhone. Thus, carriers with subsidies want people to buy less expensive phones. Also, carriers are moving in the direction of eliminating subsidies and thus revealing the true cost of phones and separating the cost of the phone from the phone plan. Once the cost of the phone matters more to customers, I do expect price to become an increasing factor.

You can't expect Apple to compete with Cheap Android handsets. Apple is where it is financially today because they maintained their profit margins.

Profitability is very different from smartphone market share. We are talking about smartphone market share.

If you ask non-techie people around you why they chose a Samsung phone over and iPhone and chances are you will hear "I like the bigger screen".

I honestly believe the iPhone 6 with its 4.7" or 5.5" screen will level the playing field.

Yes of course, the iPhone 6 will soon eliminate the screen size factor.

I think the elimination of the screen size factor this fall will cause Apple to regain some market share for a while. But after the market has stabilized from the elimination of this factor, I expect that the increasingly relevant price factor will cause Apple's market share to slowly decrease until smartphones fully saturate the market, like TVs and cellphones have.
 
It's a real shame that it has taken so long for apple to release a larger screen phone. Is once apple is renowned for making a good profit margin on their products, one has to wonder if profit margins have been a deciding factor in apple falling behind many key features such as screen size, split screen etc.
 
Every company looks at profit margins. This is now the company run by Tim Cook so there is expected to see differences in the post-jobs era.

Not everyone will be aboard with these changes, but apple seems to be doing fine.
 
How do you really know that?

Just think of the number of people who without knowing what iOS 7 looked like/how it acted updated only to find they didn't like it, and once they tried going back to 6 they're unable to.

Or the number of people that kept 6 on their device and then had to have it restored due to some issue. They were then forced to install iOS 7.
 
But the simplest way to judge it is to look at Apple ever shrinking mobile market share as more people choose other OS systems. Yes Apple had a greater market share during the iOS 6 period, yes Apple has lost more market share since iOS 7. Regardless if the amount of forced users is higher.

That doesn't have much to do with iOS 7.0. The problem Apple is having right now is that there are lots of good alternatives in the smart phone market.

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Yes of course, the iPhone 6 will soon eliminate the screen size factor.

I hope that they won't overdo it. Newer Android based phones look more like a tablet than a phone. iPhone 6 should have an increased screen size but not as large as 5".
 
Just think of the number of people who without knowing what iOS 7 looked like/how it acted updated only to find they didn't like it, and once they tried going back to 6 they're unable to.

Or the number of people that kept 6 on their device and then had to have it restored due to some issue. They were then forced to install iOS 7.

Still no additional useful information, all suppositions.

Think if all who upgraded and said: "gee golly wow".
 
Still no additional useful information, all suppositions.

Think if all who upgraded and said: "gee golly wow".

An over 80% adoption rate where the previous version was discontinued is hardly an accurate number, no mater which way you look at it.
 
Well to me it has more authority than some of what gets "spewed" out here.

To just discontinue an OS and overtime force people to use it and then give an adoption number is skewed.

And I call pure BS on the 97% satisfaction.
 
iOS past.

An over 80% adoption rate where the previous version was discontinued is hardly an accurate number, no mater which way you look at it.


You keep saying this as if any level of dissatisfaction somehow invalidates the adoption rate. It doesn't! An 89% adoption rate is an 89% adoption rate, meaning 89% of users are using it, regardless of whether they like it, hate it, were forced to install it at gunpoint or whatever else you believe.

It's also every bit as valid as *every* other IOS adoption rate apple have ever quoted, whether for ios 6, 5, 4, whatever - since everything you've said about discontinuing previous versions and forcing updates etc applied every bit as much to IOS 6 and all the rest.

89%. Now if you're right and IOS 7 is hated by huge numbers of those people, they're all going to jump ship now right? Clearly they've been forced to lose IOS 6 so their only option is to leave the ecosystem? I'll look forward to seeing that exodus shortly.
 
89%. Now if you're right and IOS 7 is hated by huge numbers of those people, they're all going to jump ship now right? Clearly they've been forced to lose IOS 6 so their only option is to leave the ecosystem? I'll look forward to seeing that exodus shortly.

If you signed up for a 2 year contract with a carrier or spent hundreds of dollars a device you found was updated to something you no longer enjoyed or liked. How easy is it to jump ship? especially if they have also invested greats amount of time and money into said eco system.
 
If you signed up for a 2 year contract with a carrier or spent hundreds of dollars a device you found was updated to something you no longer enjoyed or liked. How easy is it to jump ship? especially if they have also invested greats amount of time and money into said eco system.


All I'm seeing is excuses for why this exodus won't happen, why the adoption rate doesn't count, why the satisfaction figures must be wrong, how even the poll here is rigged.. so somehow none of the evidence in favour of IOS 7 means anything. Where then is the meaningful evidence against it? There must be some, right? Over and above the posters here I mean (given that this is a forum that overwhelmingly favours IOS 7 in every poll).
 
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