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How are you going for force apple to release a fix to something they don't want to? Do you think you can sue Microsoft to start supporting windows xp again?
Not to mention, I would think no matter where you bought and/activated the iphone you click "AGREE" on some screen. I would like to see someone actually try to challenge this in court.
Just because something is in a contract and someone agreed to it it doesn't mean it would actually hold up legally necessarily.
Of course, anything can happen in the world, and a big asteroid can hit earth...back to reality.
Challenging a EULA in court to get damages, seems to me to be a long, expensive battle to what end? The lawyers would get millions; Apple won't change it's policies and you would get a $10 gift card toward your next iphone.
Suing because you don't like support policies hasn't seem to have stood the test of time.
Challenging isn't necessarily about getting damages but often about what's enforceable and/or what applies and perhaps about changing the language and various inclusions/ exclusions.
As for anything happening and a meteor thing, challenging private/civil contracts (which is what this essentially is at heart) happens way too often and many many times they or some parts of them don't actually bold up.
Do you have an example, where a EULA has been struck down in court and something meaningful came out of it? I agree unexpected outcomes happen in civil cases all of the time, as well as a heck of a lot of expected outcomes.
But I reiterate have large multinational companies been taken to the cleaners because of a EULA that has been struck down in court? If so I would like some links.
My thing is, that iOS 6 still supported (installed - no more updates be made) on older devices that can't handle iOS 7. I could reset my iPod Touch a million times and it's still going to install iOS 6 on it since that's the highest it'll support.
I just don't understand why you wouldn't allow users to install it if it can handle it.
Don't have anything on top of my head specifically, and not much time to spend researching the specifics, but below are a few relevant links from just one quick search to things that go along with what I'm saying. The main point is that things of that nature happen and can happen.
http://arstechnica.com/business/2008/09/washington-court-deals-a-blow-to-unconscionable-eulas/
http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/the-eula-you-click-may-not-be-the-one-in-effect/
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Of course anything can happen, there's possible and then there is probable. Saying something so generic as anything is possible doesn't advance the cause. I would think it would be more probable is there were a similar case from a competitor.
Other than that I agree, anything is possible.
If you knew the numbers of businesses that run XP and depend on IE6 you'll know why MS absolutely had to fix that bug, especially as it was less than a month after support ended. You won't get a thing from them now.
Now, if you want to put constructive comments about the UI of iOS7 and why it is inadequate to Apple, don't moan here about it. It will achieve nothing. Instead, go to apple.com/feedback and make sure your comments are constructive. Explain why it is bad, how it has made things slower/less intuitive (if that's your issue). Using that form will send your criticism direct to the Apple engineers who deal with iOS. Putting it in a constructive way will help them work at it, improve it, and make it better. On here is just a talking shop that Apple by their own admission go over here to have a laugh about rumours.
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I really think, when it comes to Apple, there's no point in complaining. They'll do what they think is best and if you don't like it, go elsewhere.
Of course, most people don't go elsewhere, so they just complain. And as Apple aren't interested, they complain on internet forums.
Someone at Apple makes a decision as to what devices are eligible for an iOS update and what devices are not. I don't know what kind of testing or research is done to qualify or disqualify a device but I'm sure it's not done via eeny meeny miny moe.
You have to also take into consideration the less versions of Software you have out there to support the more money you save and less headaches you have dealing with it.
if Microsoft could have its way we'd all be on Windows 8.1 like it or not but that's not the case.
Just as saying that it's in the EULA and that's that and there's nothing more to discuss simply because of that falls into the same kind of category.
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So people complain in pretty much the place that's set up for that kind of thing (among others).
I don't know what's in the EULA and what my rights really are. I did read it, the first time. As the EULA relates to this discussion, Apple has all of the rights it needs to do what it wants. Just saying there is nothing more to discuss is silly as nobody is limiting discussion. There certainly could be an opinion based discussion on what the rights are of all parties, however, it is not likely to change Apple's support policy on how it distributes IOS builds across it's various devices.
Saying that one is going to sue apple to change it's policies will not likely result in anything fruitful, as it will be a long and expensive road and as I said before, all we would end up with is a $10 gift certificate. Apple probably will not want to expend the energy to go back and patch up IOS 6. And as it relates to the look and feel of IOS 7, this is the future for new (and existing) iphone consumers.
But if that is taken as nothing more to discuss than so be it.
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Thank you for your comments. I was not moaning about iOS 7. I am running iOS 6.1.3 on an iPad mini that must stay home now. I have a particular reason for not upgrading the device to iOS 7.
Apple's refusal to serve 6.1.6 is very high handed IMHO. It will definitely be something I will consider in my future purchasing decisions.
I can understand your frustration, but also understand why apple does what it does.
Apple will support it's devices longer than any other manufacturer. The iphone 4 is still supported through IOS 7 that is almost four years (June 2010). For that support you give up the ability to stay on your operating system version of choice, you must move forward if your idevice supports the new o/s.
Does Blackberry, Windows, Android(aka Samsung, HTC and the like) support their phones with new O/S releases for 4 years?
You certainly can threaten to move to another device in the future, but I'm guessing apple did it's homework and determined the revenue lost due to customers not happy with this policy is less the expense incurred by supporting multiple operating systems at the same time across various idevices.
Additional you might want to tell apple your feedback as to why IOS 7 does not work for the ipad mini. Whether it's jailbroken or has some version of something particular to IOS 6, you might want to tell apple why you can't move forward.
Threaten?
I don't make threats. I am a consumer. I make purchases. I use my own funds and do not account to anyone as to my decisions.
If this is an offer to pay my bills I am agreeable to discussion
Have a nice day!
Threaten?
I don't make threats. I am a consumer. I make purchases. I use my own funds and do not account to anyone as to my decisions.
If this is an offer to pay my bills I am agreeable to discussion
Have a nice day!
"It will definitely be something I will consider in my future purchasing decisions."
We'll I would consider this to be a "veiled threat" in an internet post aimed at not buying apple products in the future due to your issue with the ipad mini and the version of IOS.
As a consumer, I have "threatened" businesses all of the time, to go after the dollars in my wallet or I'll move on to another venue.
Thank you for the offer to pay your bills, I really appreciate it, as I have my own, I will respectfully decline.
You have a nice day also.
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Thank you for the offer to pay your bills, I really appreciate it, as I have my own, I will respectfully decline.
You have a nice day also.
A reasonable post
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I believe a lot of people out there... I mean doctors, lawyers, builders, teachers, engineers, machinists and the list goes on... don't even give a toss how safari or settings icon is designed and what color is across iOS! They have no time for this BS and all they want is a device that does the job for them and works with no glitches. They don't waste their time in forums complaining about it or praising it like we do. They don't even know there is a new iOS available until they get update notification on their phone! I believe they are the majority of users.
And there are no doubt people out there who like IOS 7 and don't frequent forums such as these and keep opinions to themselves. With IOS 7 adoption rate over 80% across IOS devices, how many millions of devices does that represent?
Are the 10 people posting "I like IOS 6 better" a statistically independent sample that can speak for the millions and millions on IOS 7? (hint: the answer is no)
But the simplest way to judge it is to look at Apple ever shrinking mobile market share as more people choose other OS systems. Yes Apple had a greater market share during the iOS 6 period, yes Apple has lost more market share since iOS 7. Regardless if the amount of forced users is higher.
You're assuming that iOS 7 is the reason why iOS holds less of the market now. Apple had more marketshare during the days of iOS 5 than they did iOS 6, and the same thing goes for iOS 5 and iOS 4. It's been a continuous decline, and one that Apple doesn't seem overly concerned about. The reason for the decline is primarily due to the ever-increasing availability of cheap Android phones- hence why Android has a huge lead over iOS in developing countries.
If Apple cared about market share, they should be taking a look at their pricing model, not the design of iOS. Aside from minor efforts to make cheaper devices available in developing countries, Apple doesn't seem too concerned about market share.