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Is iOS6 a disappointment from what you learned in the keynote?

  • It was NOT a disappointment.

    Votes: 760 50.9%
  • It was definitely a disappointment.

    Votes: 732 49.1%

  • Total voters
    1,492
I seriously doubt that folks that pre ordered will decide on not getting the device. Especially since their predecessor was named the best smartphone of 2011. And of course apple trying to block sales in the US is just too funny, it is almost pathetic. Shows how scared they are.

You missed the point of what I said, companies preorder phones for their stores without having any sales ready. They then pay the original supplier as they are sold. So you see the Samsung pre-order figures contain phones that have not been paid for and do not have a customer waiting for them (yet).

Console companies do this as well I recall a story about 8 million Xboxes (perhaps PS3s) being "sold" in reality it meant 8 million consoles have been sent out to stores, the number of actual sales is a percentage of this larger figure.

I am not saying it will not sell well I am just saying that 9 million figure is not actual preorders or sales, it only means 9 million phones have been ordered to stores and customers. Assuming that stores have already sold every phone they have ordered is a big assumption. Boxed software used to be the same you send a store software but they only pay you when they sell the box. They might have 20 boxes at the store but for your accounting they don't count it as a real sale until you get paid. However if you want to make the numbers sound bigger in marketing and PR you count your ship out figures as sales figures. Oldest trick in the book even if it is easily seen through by people in the industry the press usually just cut and paste the number and don't look at the small print.

As for Apple protecting their patents, well that is understandable, all companies including Samsung protect their patents and apply for infringing products to be blocked from sale. If Samsung are not guilty they have nothing to worry about. Same goes for Apple in Germany etc etc... Apple are not "scared" of Samsung making assumptions that either company is scared of the other etc is being a blind fan to one company or the other, it's big business worth billions so you need to protect your patch.

I hope most of my posts are objective I try to look at the facts and make up my own mind based on facts not on my like or dislike of either side. Looking at your posts it seems you dislike Apple (and perhaps like Samsung) and your are letting this colour your view of the argument. It's easy to do but to have a real discussion of the pro's and con's it's sometimes best to take a step back and think am I being really biased and ignoring the facts or trying to make the facts match my viewpoint?

I don't think Apple or Samsung are perfect however I am more interested in what each side is doing well or badly and what features could be implemented on either OS's or phones, throwing about cheap shots at either Apple or Samsung is not helpful (or for me interesting).

Edwin (Trying to be as objective as possible)

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You fell for Samsungs marketing. The 9 million was not preordered by "folks". It was preordered by global carriers. The S3 didn't set any records for preorders. :)

I tried twice to explain that :) It might outsell the iPhone over time it might not but it has not sold 9 million pre orders as you pointed out :)

It's a clever sales trick though the console companies can get enough of it when they release console sales figures :)

Edwin
 
On the contrary, I like Apple a lot and Samsung nothing. I own at least 1 device from both companies. I don't question the simplicity of a device. I question the area in which apple is now playing catch up with Android.

How long did they take to incorporate such ideas that android already has:

Copy and paste, multi tasking, video capture, mms, threaded sms, notification tray, turn by turn navigation, the list can go on.
 

Firstly did you even read about how the figure was calculated above?

Secondly if you want to quote sales figures having a first hand source is best. For example a press release from Samsung. Your link above is an article hosted on a website "Nigeria's Award Winning TV Station" reporting on UK sales figures...

If you read it it confirms what I and others said. The figure is not sold phones just the number of phones delivered to stores some of which will be pre orders.

"Samsung has reportedly..." Atricle is full of reportedly and assumed etc not links or facts.

"Most of the orders ... based on ... anticipated demand." So not all the phones are actually sold just ordered based on the assumption of future sales.

"with a surplus to act as a ‘buffer’ in case demand exceeds their supply." - This is very confusing but it basically means they have ordered way more than they have pre ordered just in case.

Here is a link with details and figures from a first hand source when it comes to the iPhone 4S sales figures.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/201...Orders-Top-One-Million-in-First-24-Hours.html This is pre-orders from customers not from phone companies.

All I want to see is rational debates and linking to first hand sources, I am not saying this 9 million phones in the channel (not sold) might not be true but it's strange I cannot find a press release from Samsung you would have though if this was true they would have made a big deal over it.

Edwin
 
Firstly did you even read about how the figure was calculated above?

Secondly if you want to quote sales figures having a first hand source is best. For example a press release from Samsung. Your link above is an article hosted on a website "Nigeria's Award Winning TV Station" reporting on UK sales figures...

If you read it it confirms what I and others said. The figure is not sold phones just the number of phones delivered to stores some of which will be pre orders.

"Samsung has reportedly..." Atricle is full of reportedly and assumed etc not links or facts.

"Most of the orders ... based on ... anticipated demand." So not all the phones are actually sold just ordered based on the assumption of future sales.

"with a surplus to act as a ‘buffer’ in case demand exceeds their supply." - This is very confusing but it basically means they have ordered way more than they have pre ordered just in case.

Here is a link with details and figures from a first hand source when it comes to the iPhone 4S sales figures.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/201...Orders-Top-One-Million-in-First-24-Hours.html This is pre-orders from customers not from phone companies.

All I want to see is rational debates and linking to first hand sources, I am not saying this 9 million phones in the channel (not sold) might not be true but it's strange I cannot find a press release from Samsung you would have though if this was true they would have made a big deal over it.

Edwin

That's right. Samsung stopped releasing sales figures about a year ago. Even for post sales. Nokia is now doing the same.

They wish to keep the buzz and mystery alive. A common PR practice: let the rumor mill inflate sales and perceived popularity.

All the pre order and post sales numbers are estimates by external marketing firms base on queries to stores etc.

Apple, however, does release official sales numbers.
 
On the contrary, I like Apple a lot and Samsung nothing. I own at least 1 device from both companies. I don't question the simplicity of a device. I question the area in which apple is now playing catch up with Android.

How long did they take to incorporate such ideas that android already has:

Copy and paste, multi tasking, video capture, mms, threaded sms, notification tray, turn by turn navigation, the list can go on.

Apple might have been second to a few things but they take their time and usually come up with a very nice solution. I think most people would agree the iOS copy/paste method for example is the simplest and most elegant solution?

Free online backup using iCloud does that exist on Android? I could go on for either side with lists of "missing features" that the other one has but that does not mean one OS is playing catchup on everything.

Both OS's have their advantages and competition brings out innovation and progress however I think stating Android leading by a mile and iOS is just playing catch up is over egging it just a little!

Edwin
 
I question the area in which apple is now playing catch up with Android.

How long did they take to incorporate such ideas that android already has:

Copy and paste, multi tasking, video capture, mms, threaded sms, notification tray, turn by turn navigation, the list can go on.

It's easy to claim to be ahead when you make up the rules of the game. :) It isn't just about seeing who can look at the big feature checklist on the internet and see who can add the most features the fastest.

(And, again, Android didn't add universal copy/paste until a year or so AFTER the iPhone. It's a perfect example of hitting the feature checklist as opposed to creating a full, well thought out implementation.)
 
What it comes down to is something I've noticed in the duration I've posted here on Macrumors: that many people here hate choice. I'm not sure why they do, but they do. Maybe this is an opinion instilled in them by Apple or maybe Apple attracts a certain kind of people, who knows, but for some reason, people here seem to hate the idea of being given a choice unless APPLE SAYS THAT SOMETHING CAN BE DONE ANOTHER WAY, and magically, they seem to agree with that way as well, and they act as if Apple did what they always wanted.

So. Freaking. Creepy. :(
It is creepy in a way:

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-05-19/tech/apple.religion_1_apple-store-apple-employees-brains?_s=PM:TECH

I'm somewhat disgusted with people's eagerness to endlessly praise a billion dollar company (often for providing less) and even wearing their logos all over themselves and everything they own (Apple wallpaper/t-shirts/tatoos anyone?) with the end result being free advertizing as the company makes even more billions. Definitely got that religious cult thing going, all while Mr. Jobs has been elevated to deity-like status with continued mention of his 'involvement' in projects spanning out for the next several years to ensure the faithful will keep buying.
 
So what is so revolutionary about ICS, Anroide 4?

What is so revolutionary about Google announcement of ICS aka Android 4.0.
I guess reading this link from an iOS user POV, we wonder.

Adroid ICS announced in Oct 2011, but came to many phones only in May 2012. Still in now June Wiki says only 7% are running ICS whilst 65% are on 2.3.x Gingerbread due to many fragmented reasons.


Some 'highlights' from this google ICS page: http://www.android.com/about/ice-cream-sandwich/ reading that link will seem pretty ho hum to iOS users.

New home screen folders offer a new way for you to group your apps and shortcuts logically, just by dragging one onto another. Also, in All Apps launcher, you can now simply drag an app to get information about it or immediately uninstall it, or disable a pre-installed app.

Er, 2010 iOS 4?

A variety of new features greatly enhance the accessibility of Android 4.0 for blind or visually impaired users. Most important is a new explore-by-touch mode that lets you navigate without having to see the screen

Old stuff for iOS?


The lock screens now let you do more without unlocking. From the slide lock screen, you can jump directly to the camera for a picture or pull down the notifications window to check for messages. When listening to music, you can even manage music tracks and see album art.

Er, camera use at lock screen ios5? Oct 2011. Album art and music tracks at lock screen? Day one on iOS?

Sharing with screenshots
You can now share what's on your screens more easily by taking screenshots. Hardware buttons let them snap a screenshot and store it locally. Afterward, you can view, edit, and share the screen shot in Gallery or a similar app
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A new innovation in android 4.0? Someone is kidding me right?

My point being is that all these OS's are adding little things but important things all the time. Picking your favs and claiming android is always first is a flawed argument. Especially when the majority of Android users don't really have the above in the native OS since most are on Gingerbread.

Both google and Apple are adding features and it seems to see saw back in forth. But today iOS 5.1.1 is on a majority of I devices and being enjoyed by users while Android is a mixed experience for most.
 
What is so revolutionary about Google announcement of ICS aka Android 4.0.
I guess reading this link from an iOS user POV, we wonder.

Adroid ICS announced in Oct 2011, but came to many phones only in May 2012. Still in now June Wiki says only 7% are running ICS whilst 65% are on 2.3.x Gingerbread due to many fragmented reasons.


Some 'highlights' from this google ICS page: http://www.android.com/about/ice-cream-sandwich/ reading that link will seem pretty ho hum to iOS users.

New home screen folders offer a new way for you to group your apps and shortcuts logically, just by dragging one onto another. Also, in All Apps launcher, you can now simply drag an app to get information about it or immediately uninstall it, or disable a pre-installed app.

Er, 2010 iOS 4?

A variety of new features greatly enhance the accessibility of Android 4.0 for blind or visually impaired users. Most important is a new explore-by-touch mode that lets you navigate without having to see the screen

Old stuff for iOS?


The lock screens now let you do more without unlocking. From the slide lock screen, you can jump directly to the camera for a picture or pull down the notifications window to check for messages. When listening to music, you can even manage music tracks and see album art.

Er, camera use at lock screen ios5? Oct 2011. Album art and music tracks at lock screen? Day one on iOS?

Sharing with screenshots
You can now share what's on your screens more easily by taking screenshots. Hardware buttons let them snap a screenshot and store it locally. Afterward, you can view, edit, and share the screen shot in Gallery or a similar app
.

A new innovation in android 4.0? Someone is kidding me right?

My point being is that all these OS's are adding little things but important things all the time. Picking your favs and claiming android is always first is a flawed argument. Especially when the majority of Android users don't really have the above in the native OS since most are on Gingerbread.

Both google and Apple are adding features and it seems to see saw back in forth. But today iOS 5.1.1 is on a majority of I devices and being enjoyed by users while Android is a mixed experience for most.

Today I tried ICS on the SGS3 and I can now say, after trying both OS, that ICS its better than iOS. iOS still wins in many aspects, like quality apps and games, but ICS was awesome.

Now I look at my iPhone 4 and it seems more old and boring than ever. Ill buy a SGS3 next week probably. I think a change from iOS will be good. Google Maps and Youtube were vastly superior than iOS, plus Gmail too.

Right now is a good time to buy a Android because ICS solved many issues. iOS 6 really dissapointed me, and I would really like a bigger screen than the rumored 4 inch taller iPhone 5.
 
Apple better watch their back because Microsoft is learning from their mistakes with Windows Phone 7 and is taking a page out of Android's playbook by offering different hardware that fits power users or budget buyers with Windows Phone 8. And their revamping the entire lineup and leaving their old phones in the dust. Harsh move but I believe it's the right move to start over again.
But with Apple supporting old hardware like the 3GS your hurting your future by sticking with the past. iOS is watered down on the 3GS; why even bother? Just look at the title of this post and the poll numbers. Apple is getting stale with iOS.
 
What's revolutionary with Android? Face recognition. Albeit not perfect, it was innovative.
 
Just look at the title of this post and the poll numbers. Apple is getting stale with iOS.

iOS is a developers platform in ways that Android really can't match. The onus for Apple is to not try to take the limelight and allow the developers latitude to actually "sell" apps rather than to try to cram the store with a bunch of free apps and skim the top from advertising.

You're right...Windows is going to make a triumphant return and I'll tell you why.

1. Microsoft has the financial clout to recover lost ground
2. Microsoft has an undeniable advantage owner the desktop and server landscape
3. Microsoft has a significant software advantage (Office, Sharepoint, etc)

Android's growth really has been at the expense RIM and Microsoft. RIM is going to die but Microsoft is going to be able to reclaim share.

In 5 years we are going to reminisce about the days when Android was poised to take over mobile.

In summation: you really can't beat the platforms that have strong desktop initiatives. Both Microsoft and Apple provide a more solid foundation for their mobile devices because of desktop computers.
 
Complete list of changes in iOS 6

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_6#iOS_6.x:_sixth_major_OS_release

Some interesting things in the complete list which you might have missed. FWIW - I think iOS 6 is a big disappointment and there really isn't that much changed. The only 2 things I really like (I have beta installed on my iPad 3rd Gen) is the Clock app and Siri. I've posted about this on another thread, but again- the Maps app is terrible, really terrible. I'm surprised people think this is a thing to be happy about. Google Maps is far superior and I'm certain that Google's own App Store release of Google Maps will be constantly in the top 10 of most popular downloaded Apps on the App Store once it's available.

There's really no incentive for me to install iOS 6 on my iPod touch 4th Gen. My Maps would be downgraded and I wouldn't gain Siri and the rest of the changes are minor.
 
This thread is very interesting and informative if one skips reading the posts and looks at the poll results. It's amazing that even on this forum full of die-hard Apple fans that feel Cupertino can do no wrong almost half of the responders to the poll feel definitely disappointed with iOS 6.
 
This thread is very interesting and informative if one skips reading the posts and looks at the poll results. It's amazing that even on this forum full of die-hard Apple fans that feel Cupertino can do no wrong almost half of the responders to the poll feel definitely disappointed with iOS 6.

A bunch of polls said the same about the 4s and a bunch of people said it wouldn't sell well.

Well the rest is history ;)
 
These are the threads where you see those who equate visual changes with big change. I've been watching the WWDC videos and damn if they haven't refined nearly every aspect of developing for iOS.
 
These are the threads where you see those who equate visual changes with big change. I've been watching the WWDC videos and damn if they haven't refined nearly every aspect of developing for iOS.

Watching them as well. Watched a lot from WWDC '11 and so i'm seeing that annual iteration of the tools and frameworks.

A lot of stuff that isn't "consumer friendly" but developers certainly have to be happy.

I realize why Siri is not ready for an API yet but still happy nonetheless that significant improvements are coming.

In the end it's hard to take any poll from an enthusiast site without a grain of salt. Enthusiasts expect certain features that are often of no consequence to consumers overall.
 
What's a widget?

Its an angly (most of the times) way of viewing your app that takes a greater amount of screen space than an app. It also helps ur battery to drain faster. For example the most common widget in android smartphones is weather widghet a die hard feature for fishermen and tech geeks. In general its a nice way for small kids to play with their phones sth that differentiates android os from ios/wmp boredom. In the other hand the hardcore apple kids jailbreak their phones in order to add those kind of features because they are bored with ios simplicity and want to add loads of crap :D. There are also some other drain battery widgets like email (it saves you time from oppening the app cause you have real time view of whats going in your inbox 24h) contacts (very stylish...) , bookmarks , facebook (must have) etc. Stuff like these makes you the real tech geek not another apple sheep :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMsqSQzV6nw
 
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