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Why should people take time to learn how to use the new iOS7?
the old iOS is so intuitive and easy to use that a 4 years old can do it without learning. Isn't that the goal of a mobile OS? Steve did it. Cook destroyed it. So stupid!!!

The feature that the OP is complaining about has been around since iOS1... I think they did a great job of sprucing it up, adding new features while keeping it intuitive right out of the box.
 
adding new features while keeping it intuitive right out of the box.

Its obviously not intuitive, or I wouldn't have been forced to do a Google search in order to figure out how to turn off the wretched "feature".

I'll let you stew for a minute there about the irony of me having to do a Google search to turn off an (unasked for) security feature.

I don't delude myself that I'm any sort of tech genius. But I'll tell you I've been using iOS devices since the first iPod appeared. And I seriously dislike - in a way I've never disliked anything from Apple before - iOS 7.

All anyone can tell me is that spotlight search is somewhat better. Whoopee! Other than that we've got AirDrop, which apparently is all but unusable. And the much praised "flatter" look is giving people motion sickness.

Wow!

Apple iOS7 is horrible. I wish I'd never installed it. Its a total waste of time and effort. Why the hell should I have to go through a complicated series of maneuvers to turn off features I don't need/want/use in order to restore the (great) battery life that was a major reason I fell in love with Apple products in the first place?

If Jonny Ive is reading this, please accept this observation as a respectful plea from a (prior) fan: You screwed up.
 
Its obviously not intuitive, or I wouldn't have been forced to do a Google search in order to figure out how to turn off the wretched "feature".

I'll let you stew for a minute there about the irony of me having to do a Google search to turn off an (unasked for) security feature.

I don't delude myself that I'm any sort of tech genius. But I'll tell you I've been using iOS devices since the first iPod appeared. And I seriously dislike - in a way I've never disliked anything from Apple before - iOS 7.

All anyone can tell me is that spotlight search is somewhat better. Whoopee! Other than that we've got AirDrop, which apparently is all but unusable. And the much praised "flatter" look is giving people motion sickness.

Wow!

Apple iOS7 is horrible. I wish I'd never installed it. Its a total waste of time and effort. Why the hell should I have to go through a complicated series of maneuvers to turn off features I don't need/want/use in order to restore the (great) battery life that was a major reason I fell in love with Apple products in the first place?

If Jonny Ive is reading this, please accept this observation as a respectful plea from a (prior) fan: You screwed up.

It's incredibly intuitive. My dad is in his late 60s and has trouble with just about anything technology based, and yet he knows how to change his password. It's really not that hard, and if it is, you could find the answer on google in about 15 seconds. The settings for password haven't changed in iOS, it's the same as it was before. Somehow you seem to have missed this.

Also, how does having a feature (airdrop) that you didn't have before, but doesn't work now, make you any worse off?

What complicated maneuvers are you going through and what are you turning off? I have nothing turned off and I am getting as good, if not better battery life than I did on iOS 6.

I'm sorry, but as an iOS user for the past 6 years, this just sounds like you're frustrated with yourself.
 
I'll let you stew for a minute there about the irony of me having to do a Google search to turn off an (unasked for) security feature.

While it might be an unasked for feature, it did ask you if you wanted to turn it on. What's funny is that you not only needed to say you wanted it on, but you also had to type in your passcode twice to set it up. t any point you could have stopped that process.

You just need to pay attention to what you're doing.
 
Its obviously not intuitive, or I wouldn't have been forced to do a Google search in order to figure out how to turn off the wretched "feature".

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If Jonny Ive is reading this, please accept this observation as a respectful plea from a (prior) fan: You screwed up.

Nope he hasn't screwed up at all... He has done a brilliant job and in a very short time... And I have every confidence that it'll just get better... Stop throwing your toys out of the pram... Grow up please... The world doesn't revolve around you...

Edit: the only reason I am not calling you the right names is because I don't need another time out...
 
Am I the only one who is thoroughly underwhelmed by iOS7?

I've been living with this (much-heralded) update to my iDevices operating system for a few weeks now, and - try as I might - I really can't name a single thing I really like about it.

Lets start with the obvious: Battery life suddenly took a huge leap off a cliff. All of a sudden I find I need to recharge my iPad every day-and-a-half, rather than twice a week. Watch a couple of Netflix shows and start looking for the wall wart.

Now for the not-so-obvious: I now need to enter an unlock code to start using my iDevice. During the update process I got conned into asking for this "feature", and I have (so far) not found a way to remove it. Lets be very clear: if my iPad is lost or stolen, I really don't think a 4-digit "unlock" code is going to provide any meaningful security protection. All this does is waste a couple of seconds of my time every time I wake my iPad. Boo!

I tried using AirDrop. My mom's iPad was right there. I managed (once) to share a couple of photos with her. But - even though I had total access to her machine - for whatever reason my iPad didn't show up on hers. Something either works 100% of the time, or its useless.

summary: Yes, some of the original skeumorphism in iDevices was not good. Game Center, for one, was perfectly horrid. But iOS7 seems to have stripped out a lot of the "Appleness" and replaced it with something I'm having a very hard time indeed warming up to. Jonny Ive, I expected more from you.


Steal my iphone with my passcode lock on and try to get in. Good luck.
 
Its obviously not intuitive, or I wouldn't have been forced to do a Google search in order to figure out how to turn off the wretched "feature".

I'll let you stew for a minute there about the irony of me having to do a Google search to turn off an (unasked for) security feature.

I don't delude myself that I'm any sort of tech genius. But I'll tell you I've been using iOS devices since the first iPod appeared. And I seriously dislike - in a way I've never disliked anything from Apple before - iOS 7.

All anyone can tell me is that spotlight search is somewhat better. Whoopee! Other than that we've got AirDrop, which apparently is all but unusable. And the much praised "flatter" look is giving people motion sickness.

Wow!

Apple iOS7 is horrible. I wish I'd never installed it. Its a total waste of time and effort. Why the hell should I have to go through a complicated series of maneuvers to turn off features I don't need/want/use in order to restore the (great) battery life that was a major reason I fell in love with Apple products in the first place?

If Jonny Ive is reading this, please accept this observation as a respectful plea from a (prior) fan: You screwed up.

You're in luck my friend... The smartphone market has never been as competitive and full of options for the consumer as it is now. Look around tons of phones out there, surely one will fit your needs since you're so utterly dissapointed in iOS7..... And I'm being serious by the way not sarcastic or trying to mess with you..... This is the direction of iOS and its not likely to change drastically again anytime soon.... so you have to get used to it or explore other options.
 
There is a maxim that states 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'. iOS wasn't broken - Apple took its time to get the look right before it launched, put in the right visual cues so that you knew what was to be pressed, scrolled or swiped. It was, indeed, intuitive for the most part. And attractive. It sold plenty and developers flocked towards it.

Then we had the bored piping up that iOS was stale and no longer innovative. They were very noisy and Apple took notice.

So Apple fixed what wasn't broke.

Be careful what you wish for.

As for me, I am going to spend the rest of today working out why iTunes 11.1.1 won't install properly and why it won't recognise my 5s. Seems to be common problem on the Apple forums and so far nobody from Apple has a solution. Onwards and downwards.
 
There is a maxim that states 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'. iOS wasn't broken - Apple took its time to get the look right before it launched, put in the right visual cues so that you knew what was to be pressed, scrolled or swiped. It was, indeed, intuitive for the most part. And attractive. It sold plenty and developers flocked towards it.

Most of us know how a touchscreen OS works. Many apps have dropped the button that looks like a button paradigm and we use them just fine. We don't need the same visual clues we did when Apple was tying to popularize the concept six years ago.

This is what we needed when learning to write, its a method that works and isn't broken. Now that you know how to write do you want to use the same kind of paper? That kind of paper ain't broke so why fix it?

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Its obviously not intuitive, or I wouldn't have been forced to do a Google search in order to figure out how to turn off the wretched "feature".

I'll let you stew for a minute there about the irony of me having to do a Google search to turn off an (unasked for) security feature.

I don't delude myself that I'm any sort of tech genius. But I'll tell you I've been using iOS devices since the first iPod appeared. And I seriously dislike - in a way I've never disliked anything from Apple before - iOS 7.

All anyone can tell me is that spotlight search is somewhat better. Whoopee! Other than that we've got AirDrop, which apparently is all but unusable. And the much praised "flatter" look is giving people motion sickness.

Wow!

Apple iOS7 is horrible. I wish I'd never installed it. Its a total waste of time and effort. Why the hell should I have to go through a complicated series of maneuvers to turn off features I don't need/want/use in order to restore the (great) battery life that was a major reason I fell in love with Apple products in the first place?

If Jonny Ive is reading this, please accept this observation as a respectful plea from a (prior) fan: You screwed up.


You weren't forced to add a passcode. It pops up during setup but if you looked at the screen you would have seen the option to skip it. Only time a passcode is required is for TouchID which I don't think your iPad has.
 
I'm sorry but I can't really take your complaints too serious if you cant even figure out how to disable passcode.... People like to complain about a whole iOS before taking the time to learn the features and without knowing how to really use things..... If you don't know how to use something it doesn't mean its bad.

Doesn't the OS have to work in order to learn it? :confused:

The Music app is broken, playlists at times play random music from other lists. iTunes Radio locks up the app and sometimes causes the phone to reboot. Opening the music app sometimes causes the phone to reboot.

AirDrop does not work 100% of the time. Getting it to work is really hit & miss.

Color scheme ripped from Windows 8, which very few actually like the Babies R Us theme. Part of the problem is it tends to give a fuzzy/blurry look to the entire device. For light sensitive people it just causes migraines.

Safari crashes or doesn't always load video

Music videos don't play fullscreen.

Keyboard is inconsistant most of the time it just picks the letter next to the one you typed. Or if it's on a white screen the grey is to light and bleeds into the white making it difficult to see.

Battery life is Droid level anyone with a variant of the 5 model needs to carry a charger.

iMessages only work for 50% of the people.

Sounds are inconsistent and don't always play on the notification center.

Music controls on lock screen move with the screen and unlock the device unintentionally.

No unlock sounds for the blind using voice over commands.

Mail app crashes often.
 
Most of us know how a touchscreen OS works. Many apps have dropped the button that looks like a button paradigm and we use them just fine. We don't need the same visual clues we did when Apple was tying to popularize the concept six years ago.

This is what we needed when learning to write, its a method that works and isn't broken. Now that you know how to write do you want to use the same kind of paper? That kind of paper ain't broke so why fix it?

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I suppose you think that was very clever of you but what you demonstrated there was training wheels - not the finished article. The equivalent would be those arrowed guides you get when setting up your iPhone. Those disappear once you finish the mini-tutorials.

Try again.
 
Doesn't the OS have to work in order to learn it? :confused:

The Music app is broken, playlists at times play random music from other lists. iTunes Radio locks up the app and sometimes causes the phone to reboot. Opening the music app sometimes causes the phone to reboot.

AirDrop does not work 100% of the time. Getting it to work is really hit & miss.

Color scheme ripped from Windows 8, which very few actually like the Babies R Us theme. Part of the problem is it tends to give a fuzzy/blurry look to the entire device. For light sensitive people it just causes migraines.

Safari crashes or doesn't always load video

Music videos don't play fullscreen.

Keyboard is inconsistant most of the time it just picks the letter next to the one you typed. Or if it's on a white screen the grey is to light and bleeds into the white making it difficult to see.

Battery life is Droid level anyone with a variant of the 5 model needs to carry a charger.

iMessages only work for 50% of the people.

Sounds are inconsistent and don't always play on the notification center.

Music controls on lock screen move with the screen and unlock the device unintentionally.

No unlock sounds for the blind using voice over commands.

Mail app crashes often.

Can't say any of this has happened to me. Something may have happened in your update.

Music controls do move with the lockscreen, unless you are on a slidable object. Otherwise its the slide anywhere to unlock that you have without the controls being visible. Hasn't been an issue for me.

There have been some changes in the Music app that are annoying.

iOS7 works well for me.

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I suppose you think that was very clever of you but what you demonstrated there was training wheels - not the finished article. The equivalent would be those arrowed guides you get when setting up your iPhone. Those disappear once you finish the mini-tutorials.

Try again.

I would argue that all of the visual clues up to this point have been training wheels to teach people how to use a touchscreen OS. Apple just kept those wheels on until now.
 
Doesn't the OS have to work in order to learn it? :confused:

The Music app is broken, playlists at times play random music from other lists. iTunes Radio locks up the app and sometimes causes the phone to reboot. Opening the music app sometimes causes the phone to reboot.

AirDrop does not work 100% of the time. Getting it to work is really hit & miss.

Color scheme ripped from Windows 8, which very few actually like the Babies R Us theme. Part of the problem is it tends to give a fuzzy/blurry look to the entire device. For light sensitive people it just causes migraines.

Safari crashes or doesn't always load video

Music videos don't play fullscreen.

Keyboard is inconsistant most of the time it just picks the letter next to the one you typed. Or if it's on a white screen the grey is to light and bleeds into the white making it difficult to see.

Battery life is Droid level anyone with a variant of the 5 model needs to carry a charger.

iMessages only work for 50% of the people.

Sounds are inconsistent and don't always play on the notification center.

Music controls on lock screen move with the screen and unlock the device unintentionally.

No unlock sounds for the blind using voice over commands.

Mail app crashes often.

You've only pointed out (like MANY others before you... many) that iOS 7 is not perfect (and I dont agree with most of your comments, especially how exaggerated it is).

- It will never be perfect. No system will be.
- Except for a few exceptions (that may get fixed in updates), it's a definite move in the right direction.
- I'm really sick of people complaining that they don't see the benefits of the new OS. Just google it and you'll find a ton of articles that explain the HUGE number of updates. I'm still learning new things that it does. Just because certain users don't think they personally reap the benefits of the updates doesn't mean the benefits are not there.
 
You've only pointed out (like MANY others before you... many) that iOS 7 is not perfect (and I dont agree with most of your comments, especially how exaggerated it is).

- It will never be perfect. No system will be.
- Except for a few exceptions (that may get fixed in updates), it's a definite move in the right direction.
- I'm really sick of people complaining that they don't see the benefits of the new OS. Just google it and you'll find a ton of articles that explain the HUGE number of updates. I'm still learning new things that it does. Just because certain users don't think they personally reap the benefits of the updates doesn't mean the benefits are not there.

Yeah most of us have updated because Apple has built a huge amount of trust. However a lot of us would downgrade from iOS 7 if allowed to.

As far as it not being perfect, No it doesn't have to be perfect. It just needs to work. I've reinstalled as new a few times once without a backup and still get the same issues. I wish I could say I was exaggerating. But if you go through the forums many others have the same issues as I've listed. This OS release is by far the most vocal I've been on an Apple product. Even Lion with it's many bugs was more stable than iOS 7.
 
Posts like this make me wonder how many people Samsung has hired to post disparaging remarks in Apple forums. Some of the complaints are so lame, they HAVE to be fake. My completely tech illiterate 70 year old parents are totally happy with iOS7 on their iPad 3. They're so bad with tech that my mom frequently pushes the screen harder to ensure app activation despite the hundreds of times I've told her that it's glass and not pressure sensitive. In fact, they didn't really notice any difference when I upgraded them. Their only comment was that it looked nicer but didn't know exactly how.

If you think taking 3 seconds to turn off the passcode feature (which wasn't turned on for me when I upgraded) is too complicated, good luck if and when you decide to switch to an Android device.
 
Posts like this make me wonder how many people Samsung has hired to post disparaging remarks in Apple forums. Some of the complaints are so lame, they HAVE to be fake.

You could try looking at the poster's join date. Some of the most abusive and patronising posters are relative newbies, so the Samsung astroturfing insinuation is pretty poor imho.
 
Yeah most of us have updated because Apple has built a huge amount of trust. However a lot of us would downgrade from iOS 7 if allowed to.

As far as it not being perfect, No it doesn't have to be perfect. It just needs to work. I've reinstalled as new a few times once without a backup and still get the same issues. I wish I could say I was exaggerating. But if you go through the forums many others have the same issues as I've listed. This OS release is by far the most vocal I've been on an Apple product. Even Lion with it's many bugs was more stable than iOS 7.

I've read these boards after every update and they're always the "worst" update. Then over time some of the bugs are fixed; others are not.

As I responded to someone else earlier, I've not heard ONE SINGLE PERSON say that they did not like the update. Yes there are issues, but... come on... there ALWAYS are.

Saying that iOS 7 "doesn't work" is really an insane exaggeration. Might some things not work ideally? Yes, just like normal after a new update. It always happens. You can bet that the prior updates that you havent been vocal about have completely freaked out other people. It's how it goes.
 
Doesn't the OS have to work in order to learn it? :confused:

The Music app is broken, playlists at times play random music from other lists. iTunes Radio locks up the app and sometimes causes the phone to reboot. Opening the music app sometimes causes the phone to reboot.

AirDrop does not work 100% of the time. Getting it to work is really hit & miss.

Color scheme ripped from Windows 8, which very few actually like the Babies R Us theme. Part of the problem is it tends to give a fuzzy/blurry look to the entire device. For light sensitive people it just causes migraines.

Safari crashes or doesn't always load video

Music videos don't play fullscreen.

Keyboard is inconsistant most of the time it just picks the letter next to the one you typed. Or if it's on a white screen the grey is to light and bleeds into the white making it difficult to see.

Battery life is Droid level anyone with a variant of the 5 model needs to carry a charger.

iMessages only work for 50% of the people.

Sounds are inconsistent and don't always play on the notification center.

Music controls on lock screen move with the screen and unlock the device unintentionally.

No unlock sounds for the blind using voice over commands.

Mail app crashes often.

I haven't faced a single problem you have mentioned... My phone restarted once while on beta 3 and that's that... Currently my battery is a bit off which I expect will be fixed in an update... I had the same problem with iOS 6 and it was solved with the advent of 6.1...

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I've read these boards after every update and they're always the "worst" update. Then over time some of the bugs are fixed; others are not.

As I responded to someone else earlier, I've not heard ONE SINGLE PERSON say that they did not like the update. Yes there are issues, but... come on... there ALWAYS are.

Saying that iOS 7 "doesn't work" is really an insane exaggeration. Might some things not work ideally? Yes, just like normal after a new update. It always happens. You can bet that the prior updates that you havent been vocal about have completely freaked out other people. It's how it goes.

### are you insane...!! You are talking sense my friend... Don't ever ever ever do that on this forum...!! Especially on the "Apple failed" or "apple is doomed" threads...
 
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