As a consumer I'd love that but unfortunately I don't think Apple's feeling much pressure right now to make a move like that. If the Xoom had a $400 version available maybe, but $800 at launch? Urg.
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iPad 2 (A5, 512MB RAM) and iOS 5 Revealed Next Week?
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As a consumer I'd love that but unfortunately I don't think Apple's feeling much pressure right now to make a move like that. If the Xoom had a $400 version available maybe, but $800 at launch? Urg.
I just joined here to contribute something. A lot of you are saying there is not a CPU/GPU on the planet that could run off a battery, fit in an ipad, and handle a 'retina display'.
But i have seen quite a few video's where the BlackBerry playbook is outputting stereoscopic 3D at 1080p and 60fps and fireing it's own display as well.
Maybe i am missing something, and there is some clever resource friendly scaling technology going on. But if i'm not missing something, then the rettina display is only 1/3rd more pixels, not 3D, and could be at 30fps instead.
If anyone finds flaw in my logic please point it out because i would like to know where i am wrong too 🙂
And i am in no way saying iPad 2 will have retina display, but i do believe it is atleast technically possible.
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Would just like to point out, fireing two 1680x1050 monitors:
-130mb of VRAM with all other apps closed.
-170mb VRAM usage with FireFox 4 open.
If i change to one monitor at 1024x768:
-60mb of VRAM with all other apps closd
-100mb of VRAM with FireFox 4 open.
1024x768 = 79872 pixels.
(1680x1050) x2 = 3528000
3528000 divided by 79872 = 44.
Increasing the pixel count by a magnitude of 44 only increase VRAM usage by 70mb.
So if this is anything to go by, increaseing ipads memory from 256mb to 326mb (yes i know you can't do that) would be enough to support the retina display. Unless you opened a game, where i don't know what would happen.
Just a quick overview to give some people an idea.
But i have seen quite a few video's where the BlackBerry playbook is outputting stereoscopic 3D at 1080p and 60fps and fireing it's own display as well.
Maybe i am missing something, and there is some clever resource friendly scaling technology going on. But if i'm not missing something, then the rettina display is only 1/3rd more pixels, not 3D, and could be at 30fps instead.
If anyone finds flaw in my logic please point it out because i would like to know where i am wrong too 🙂
And i am in no way saying iPad 2 will have retina display, but i do believe it is atleast technically possible.
edit:
Would just like to point out, fireing two 1680x1050 monitors:
-130mb of VRAM with all other apps closed.
-170mb VRAM usage with FireFox 4 open.
If i change to one monitor at 1024x768:
-60mb of VRAM with all other apps closd
-100mb of VRAM with FireFox 4 open.
1024x768 = 79872 pixels.
(1680x1050) x2 = 3528000
3528000 divided by 79872 = 44.
Increasing the pixel count by a magnitude of 44 only increase VRAM usage by 70mb.
So if this is anything to go by, increaseing ipads memory from 256mb to 326mb (yes i know you can't do that) would be enough to support the retina display. Unless you opened a game, where i don't know what would happen.
Just a quick overview to give some people an idea.
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Here's how it goes IMO:
Apple releases iPad 2 with retina display, 512 mg ram, dual core CPU and GPU will result in better sales than the the original iPad.
Or
Apple releases iPad 2 with NO retina display, just 512 mb ram, dual CPU and gpu will result in more or less matching sales (due to apple loyalty) for the IPad 1.
Apple releases iPad 2 with retina display, 512 mg ram, dual core CPU and GPU will result in better sales than the the original iPad.
Or
Apple releases iPad 2 with NO retina display, just 512 mb ram, dual CPU and gpu will result in more or less matching sales (due to apple loyalty) for the IPad 1.
Wow, great catch on the photo at head of thread and I am hoping that you are correct.
So if I have been waiting to purchase a iPad with a camera to use for Skype, should I still wait around for iPad 3? Sounds like it might be another 6 months or more? Most postings say WAIT until iPad 3 but they probably already own one? What do you think will be in iPad 3 that is not in iPad 2 if you had to guess?
A retina display guaranteed, quad core CPU and gpu, HD FaceTime camera, rear 5-8 MP sensor, touch sensitive bezel with no more home, volume and power button. And LPS backlight technology.
Unless the iPad 2 has a retina display it's probably worth the wait. If retina is coming to 2, I sure wouldn't!
Meh you should wait until iPad 4, rumor has it that it will be better than iPad 3.
This is the game everyone plays. There will always be something better 8,9,12 months down the line. If the iPad 2 does everything you want it to do, then get it. If not wait until it meets your expectations. But never wait for "the ultimate update" cause it won't ever happen.
Celtic-moniker
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A: The Android market place is only just starting to get a grip on tablet sized screens. The Ipad already has an established app base, and users who are comfortable with using it.
B: You know, I hardly even notice that. Let alone the average user.
C: Are we talking a dramatic difference? Or just a mild one? I hardly call the existing screen on the iPad hard to read. And again, user reviews in tech magazines are hardly going to influence the greater public.
Ipads sell like mobile phones. How many people do you think actually look at what their phone's CPU speeds are? Outside of my iphone, I can't name a single CPU speed used in my phone in the last 15 years that I've been using mobile phones.
You're not looking at this how the general public will view it. You're looking at this at how the 5-10% of the geek public view it. The looks of a device, and primary figures (storage size, screen space) will be a greater influence than the secondary figures (speed, internal ram etc.)
Celtic-moniker
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And my point still is, that the iPad really only needs minor upgrades to stay competitive. Apple aren't making these devices to entice you to throw away your old one and buy a new one. Realistically, they'd expect at best that their customers will upgrade every 2nd revision on from the one that they have.
The upgrades will encourage more customers to buy into their eco system, not necessarily existing customers to just upgrade to the new/improved version. I have an iphone GS. I'm happy with it. I'll wait till the iPhone 5/Iphone 4S comes along before I upgrade again most likely.
And to those who crap on with the 'i'll wait till it has.....' rubbish, what a waste of your life.
Ipad 1 'I'll wait till it has a camera in ipad 2'
Ipad 2 'I'll wait till it has a retina display'
Ipad 3 'i'll wait till it has the fiber optic version of light-peak'
Ipad 4 'I'll wait till it has 5G mobile access'.
I mean... really.... I have my ipad 1. It's awesome without a camera. I've got it now, I'm using it and I'm enjoying life. You can wait forever to get the next generation with everything you want. Live for the now, quit being a tosser.
The upgrades will encourage more customers to buy into their eco system, not necessarily existing customers to just upgrade to the new/improved version. I have an iphone GS. I'm happy with it. I'll wait till the iPhone 5/Iphone 4S comes along before I upgrade again most likely.
And to those who crap on with the 'i'll wait till it has.....' rubbish, what a waste of your life.
Ipad 1 'I'll wait till it has a camera in ipad 2'
Ipad 2 'I'll wait till it has a retina display'
Ipad 3 'i'll wait till it has the fiber optic version of light-peak'
Ipad 4 'I'll wait till it has 5G mobile access'.
I mean... really.... I have my ipad 1. It's awesome without a camera. I've got it now, I'm using it and I'm enjoying life. You can wait forever to get the next generation with everything you want. Live for the now, quit being a tosser.
marksman
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Yes all those other iPad clones are awesome.
Seriously.. it is very exciting to see every tablet to come out or to be coming out is an iPad clone.. It is very flattering for Apple.
So I am sure Apple is going to be owned by the companies that all could do nothing but copy what they already did.
Looking forward to this! Extra ram and processor would be great and hoping for a improved display (resolution and glare)
nunes013
macrumors 65816
ok, so ive heard the ipad display cost 3x more than the current, the event invitation goes from pixelated at the top to very clear at the bottom, and the banner at the event center has twice as many "dots" (pixels?) on the right. im not saying we are getting a retina display but can all these be coincidences. it just seems like Apple is setting us up here. and they just happen to send out an invitation and put up the banner with all these coincidences the day before the xoom was able to be ordered. it just seems really strange and apple always has a special feature that they put into each product. so why cant they add the high resolution display. i mean yea they might take a little profit hit but if they would sell so many more, it would offset the cost somewhat. plus all the other rumored stuff like a camera and 512 mb ram is not going to add much to the cost.
heres my guess,
-either 1.2-1.4 ghz A4 single core or 1.2 ghz dual core A5
-512 mb ram
-front and back camera. vga/1.3
-10 hour battery
-aluminum enclosure
-thinner and lighter
and the wow feature.... a high resolution display
heres my guess,
-either 1.2-1.4 ghz A4 single core or 1.2 ghz dual core A5
-512 mb ram
-front and back camera. vga/1.3
-10 hour battery
-aluminum enclosure
-thinner and lighter
and the wow feature.... a high resolution display
You know i really hope you are right.
Unfortunately, the invitation and decoration on yeba buena center arn't particularly conclusive - the invitation particularly could very easily be the result of some quick photoshop work. Which is quite likely as apple may very well of left it till the last minute to tell the inhouse Photoshop expert what his job was for the day, as to not let him leek anything.
And the decoration.. well it's very suttle, and could be entirely random (and probably is). The iPad launch event decoration had no clues at all.
Remember the human brain loves to find patterns, even when there arn't any.
nunes013
macrumors 65816
and the things you said were exactly what i thought when i said why wouldnt this be accurate lol. i guess we can only hope for the best and wait a few more days but im pretty sure Apple will have something good in store for us. 🙂
Okay so its 4am and i'm very bored, so i look at the invitation closely.
And i find this (i am really clutching at straws here).
The word march at the top = 5 charachters
The number 2 in the middle = 1 charachter
"Come see what 2011 will be the year of." = 31 charachters
31 + 5 + 1 = 37
The year is 2011
2011 + 37 = 2048
2048 ? That just so happens to be the horizontal resolution of the supposed retina display (2048 x 1536)
See ? You really can find patterns in everything.
nunes013
macrumors 65816
The galaxy tab has a 5 mp sensor now, so by the time of the iPad 3, why the hell not?
Jarcrew
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Rumsfeld's a lizard, Oswald knew about 9/11 etc.
If it's a fair upgrade on the current model (e.g. cameras, maybe a bit quicker, possibly a bit cheaper) I'm all in.
Well it does kind of explain the ood grammar choice by apple i guess..
Maybe it is a real hint 😀
McGiord
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To certain extent you are right. However between the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone 4 the HD video camera+front camera + longer battery life and the retina display are things that you are also missing/wasting time. Yesterday I had the opportunity to record my 3rd offspring's ultrasound with my iPhone 4 HD video, this is priceless! Instead of no video at all, low res video on a 3GS and what I was able to do without paying for a camcorder and lugging it, are just the single things that they call 'magical', and they are right!!
My wife's MacBook died, we want an iPad with front camera to replace it, our home device is mainly used for skype and facetime, email, web surfing, Facebook, look at pictures, videos, Netflix, kids games, kids educational apps, iPod features, etc... More than enough if the camera is there.
More RAM, yes it will be better, 512 or 1GB, we don't care, we do need the camera and a nice way to keep it standing up when we do not hold them, your hands will be tired for video calling.
Apple is a spec whore also when trying to outpace the competitors, AA they always fid a way to identify and define what really matters about them, next week's event is going to be very interesting.
Celtic-moniker said:
To certain extent you are right. However between the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone 4 the HD video camera+front camera + longer battery life and the retina display are things that you are also missing/wasting time. Yesterday I had the opportunity to record my 3rd offspring's ultrasound with my iPhone 4 HD video, this is priceless! Instead of no video at all, low res video on a 3GS and what I was able to do without paying for a camcorder and lugging it, are just the single things that they call 'magical', and they are right!!
My wife's MacBook died, we want an iPad with front camera to replace it, our home device is mainly used for skype and facetime, email, web surfing, Facebook, look at pictures, videos, Netflix, kids games, kids educational apps, iPod features, etc... More than enough if the camera is there.
More RAM, yes it will be better, 512 or 1GB, we don't care, we do need the camera and a nice way to keep it standing up when we do not hold them, your hands will be tired for video calling.
Apple is a spec whore also when trying to outpace the competitors, AA they always fid a way to identify and define what really matters about them, next week's event is going to be very interesting.